Yep....I was dropped on my head as a baby.

h1. ^this lol.

h2: yes, the 3b is good. your flop shove just doesn't really accomplish anything. I also already said stack sizes/spr makes this one the most "cooler"-ish but vs 2 villains we probably can find a fold. I am never folding here is we had isolated the pfr.

h3: using small sizing is tough to articulate over a forum but your flop sizing just gives you zero maneuverability and completely commits you/isolates you against a stronger portion of villain's range. (villain showing up with a7 here is obv absurd)

smaller sizing accomplishes everything you were trying to do with your flop bet except it's cheaper/keeps villains range wider/gives you more maneuverability on later streets

villain is not floating you with "overcards"/atc and bluffing you off of overcard turns lol (which don't even come that often)

#3) If I raise to $80 preflop as you suggest making the pot $200 and then bet $70 on the J97 flop, you dont think hes calling with KQ/AT type hands? Hes going to be getting 4:1.

I do see good players making these 1/4 to 1/3 pot bets but I watch those hands closely and it doesnt seem to me that they are working. At least not from what Ive been able to tell. Maybe Ill give it a try though.

why are you upset if he calls $70 with KQ or AT lol

Im not. Im saying he will call a small bet with overcards and bet any overcard on the turn if I check to him. So I give him a cheap shot at both outdrawing me on the turn or bluffing me off my hand on the turn.

If he will call a huge flop bet with bottom pair, that has to be better. He said he was planning to fold the turn if it wasnt an A, a 7 or a heart (which would give him a FD). That's clearly terrible poker based on our stack sizes but what do you do against a guy like that? Bet less?

In general, against most players maybe betting smaller is better but what hands do you put a guy on when he limps for $10 in EP and then calls $65? Not only can you really not put him on a hand, but you have to assume hes a fish just based on his preflop play alone. There's no hands I would play like that preflop.

so don't fold the turn then if he is floating you with atc for a $70 flop bet with $175 behind? (which he isn't doing btw..)

also you realize the turn is most likely not going to be an overcard lol... you are just being results oriented based on his actual hand/what the actual turn card was and projecting these weird assumptions onto the hand.

Big +1 to all of this.

Also re the AI EV stuff, I don't think there's much point dwelling on how much you would be up etc. Recognise you're running under and then leave it at that. In live obv were going to run under or above for stretches that last far more than 2-300 hours.

It seems re the KK hand you know to fold vs the xr, and you of all people will be disciplined to do this most of the time. Sometimes we all make a bad call or level ourselves into doing something we wouldn't usually. Quite often can come off the back of running bad or folding a lot recently. Imo if you can make that fold even while things have been bad, that's where you transcend through to ultimate crusher level.

Also, no harm in cold calling hands like TT-JJ in many spots preflop too. The power of these hands come from hitting a very large hand and benefits most in a multiway environment. Just calling the straddle here would be perfect with TT imo. Maybe just 3b JJ+. TT will be a lot more difficult to play OOP post.

Fwiw.

If you get 40 hands/hr and if most players are calculating their win rate 30 hands/hr for example, your bb/hr win rate is going to be proportionally higher given everything else equal.

I’m still in shock at 40 hands. (And that was playing 10 handed? I think you said your room just switched to 9 handed.) Made me think of this.

Also, regarding 9-10 handed. 9 plays differently than 10. I think you said 1/2 and 2/5 changed from 10 to 9 a few months apart. Dunno if that matters when comparing your win rates between 1/2 and 2/5. Obviously there’s a ton of other variables that come into play.

I play in Vegas and we still have a couple rooms that play 10 handed. What would you think would be more profitable 9 or 10 handed games? Do you have a preference ? If so why? Thanks

10 handed is slow as ****. 9 handed feels like you can play more poker but 10 handed is prob more profitable if you're patient.

Both 2/5 and 1/2 have always been 10 handed. The 2/5 game changed to 9 handed on Oct 1st and the 1/2 is still 10 handed so I dont think any conclusions can be made from the change at this point.

Personally I dont feel any difference other than there's more room at the table. Obviously the blinds come around a bit faster and you should get a few more hands per hour but as far as the play goes, I didnt notice any difference at all. Its not like people are adjusting their ranges for 1 less person.

PS...I get your point about win rates being different if you are getting more hands, but people arent "calculating their win rate at 30 hands/hr". Their win rate is whatever it is and they are getting how ever many hands they are getting. You are making it sound like they know how much they win per 100 hands and they are converting to 30 hands/hr or something like that.

Id be really interested in everyone reading this counting their hands for a few hours over a few sessions because I dont believe for a minute that I just happen to play in the only room in the country that gets 40/hr.

I know you werent asking me. I dont know the answer and Im not sure anyone else does. Is 6 max more profitable than full ring? That depends on your playing style. If you play super tight, then you want to pay the least amount of blinds as possible so you would want more players. The rocks and nits in my room are all complaining about going 9 handed because they are paying 11% more blinds as they sit there and wait for their premium hands.

I dont think 9 or 10 handed is more or less profitable in and of itself.

Nothing worse than a 10 hour 10 handed session. - comfort EV for sure

I always make my way to seat 1 or 10 which is always pretty good as far as elbow room goes. Its amazing how much extra room all the other seats have when its 9 handed.

When its 10 handed, if the open seat is 4 or 7, I pass and let someone else have my seat. Id rather stay on the waiting list than play in those seats.

Orleans here in Las Vegas is ten handed and there are literally lines marked on the felt to keep the table squared up. Everyone is forced to sit so close to each other. My friend that plays there says ten handed creates more action but can’t seem to explain why. This is why I asked.
The one thing with late night early am poker is the 9 handed game gets down to 6-7 handed a couple people take a break and the game stops because the regs won’t play 4-5 handed which can be frustrating playing late sessions

Seat one is nut worst in my casino, right on top of a shuffle machine which you bang your knee into every time you sit down (even though you know it's there!). Ultimately though, for me, my seat is dictated by the position of the bad players.

Position of bad players should dictate where you sit most of the time, but its weird for me. Ive been sitting in seats 1 and 10 so long now (mostly 10) that I literally feel out of sorts when Im not there. I feel like Im not comfortable and it really affects my game. As stupid as it is, I know I dont play as well. Its a very very rare occurrence nowadays that I will move out of seats 1 or 10 to get position on someone.

PS...I have banged my knee a few times. I drew blood one time when I was wearing shorts. But Im getting better at not hitting it.

Theres a very strange thing about my room. Ive played all over the place and never have I seen a room where more people get up from the table and are gone for a decent amount of time.

Its a horse track so there are a fair amount of guys walking to place bets but overall there are just guys sitting out at a rate like Ive never seen before. So although most places are 9 handed, in my room now that its 9 handed at 2/5, the tables do get short pretty often. There are also a ton of retirees and they all hate playing short handed. Its been a month now and people are complaining about table being short, tables breaking all the time ect.

They said they were switching 1/2 to 9 handed as of Nov 1st also, but it didnt happen. They played 2/5 9 handed a few years ago and switched it back due to so many complaints. SO it will be interesting to see if it sticks this time. Personally, I dont really care one way or the other. If I had to choose I guess Id take 9 handed just for the extra space and a few extra hand/hr.

I don't mean the other players are calculating their win rates by actually dividing by 30 hands an hour.

I mean that if they are actually getting 30 hands/hr (as an example) and you are getting 40/hr. The calculations automatically will be skewed. I'm fairly certain you have an abnormally high hands/hr rate. I'm guessing most players play in games that average 30-35. So your win rate is probably going to be 15-33% higher than most players in general.

I'm just going by my experience. Not sure I've ever played in games that fast (on average) anywhere.

Being a nit a prefer 10 handed. The blinds don't come along as often as shorter handed, plus the more players at the table the more chance of there being idiots at the table (the only thing that makes poker super profitable), plus the more chance of taking down a huge pot preflop at loose aggro tables, imo. Suits my style.

Gifwecouldplay12handed,signmeupG

I would rather castrate myself than play 12 handed.

meanwhile, i'm over here wishing they had 6-max tables live. very glad my casino is at least 9 and not 10

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aannnndddd this +10000

Yeah, obviously different styles fair better in different climates.

G12handedisthedreamclimateformystyle,imoG