Have to agree.

You are not alone

Ok, from now on they will be called "recreational players" AKA "rec"...

Jeez, talking about focusing on important things...

you're missing the point. the problem isn't so much that you call them fish, but that you out their SN and label them "bad".

Yeah, what the hell man? How does someone who has been regged from 2006 not even realize what the problem is?

Just think it's a somewhat cloudy "fact", that posting SNs is bad. Think that nowodays, things have changed a LOT, and that regs should re-consider all kinds of "axioms" regarding tons of stuff that stop from the normal REG population of catching up to the top notch regs.

I really dont see how you don't get why people have a problem with what you're doing... if you wanna talk about hands with known regs in the pool then talk to friends on skype or some other non public domain...
You really dont gain anything about posting the screen names of anyone else you're playing against... especially when its a fish, what do you achieve by posting the SN?

It really isn't even slightly marginal...

October was my first "grinding" month this year, played 30k hands at 400nl and Zoom 500, with a week in the middle where I didn't play at all due to representing Israel at the Asian Nations Cup.

Running bad EV-wise since beginning of the year, around 25 BI so far, with tons of frustrating spots that the EV line doesn't count. The running-bad really takes the fun from playing even when I do find the time, and reflects on my personal life as well.

Since mid-october started a new thing, not checking results at all. The difference is noted, poker have much less influence on my life + it seems like the way to go if I want to start treating poker again as a "normal" job, coming to the "office", putting 2-3 hours daily and doing well.

Finished the month down 10 BIs , expected down 4BI , waiting for the run-good to comeback, so I can take it all back on higher stakes :P

...And a hand from today, almost made him fold the nut-flush by accident :}

Is the river shove ok or a bit over the top?

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

xPastorcitox (UTG): $400.00
DuSheLov (CO): $506.52
erikkke (BTN): $945.73
stasia42 (SB): $410.00
jinshan0809 (BB): $850.33

stasia42 posts SB $2.00, jinshan0809 posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) stasia42 has J K

xPastorcitox raises to $12.00, fold, fold, stasia42 calls $10.00, jinshan0809 calls $8.00

Flop: ($36.00, 3 players) 9 9 2
stasia42 checks, jinshan0809 checks, xPastorcitox bets $25.78, stasia42 calls $25.78, jinshan0809 calls $25.78

Turn: ($113.34, 3 players) 8
stasia42 checks, jinshan0809 checks, xPastorcitox checks

River: ($113.34, 3 players) 7
stasia42 bets $67.42, jinshan0809 raises to $134.84, fold, stasia42 raises to $372.22 and is all-in, jinshan0809 calls $237.38



He actually tanked for half a minute before calling.

i personally think it's terrible without some sort of really strong read.

yea thats not good

Ty, was a bit tilted while playing this hand, at the time thought he can have plenty of JT, and lower combinations of flush there, but it seems like at least some part of it doesn't raise my river bet + prob not calling enough of my shoves to make it profitable VS all the other times when he have higher flush + full house...

Is it just me or does it seems like he has improved his game a TON ??

Is he a fish? Fish raise trips on river flushes donks all the time.

what kind of difference in results are you getting from zoom/reg games nowadays? seems to me you probably do a lot better at reg tables

He was a BIG fish, not sure nowadays though..

At the Zoom tables I ran bad and prob don't play really good, somewhere around -1 bb/100 ev-expected wise for the year, way less in reality.

The regular 400nl tables are way softer, ev-expected somewhere around 5bb/100, effective around 2bb/100.

Month started out pretty lame, seems like I can't win a pot, but it's only 2 days soooo...

2 hands from today-

1. VS good reg.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

stasia42 (BTN): $582.36
Jakobus1989 (SB): $957.67
samiar_55 (BB): $250.00
nagoya2005 (UTG): $997.69
muzmov (MP): $500.00
khk24 (CO): $744.70

Jakobus1989 posts SB $2.50, samiar_55 posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) stasia42 has 3 A

nagoya2005 raises to $15.35, fold, fold, stasia42 calls $15.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($38.20, 2 players) 3 7 Q
nagoya2005 bets $24.33, stasia42 calls $24.33

Turn: ($86.86, 2 players) 3
nagoya2005 checks, stasia42 bets $96.20, nagoya2005 calls $96.20

River: ($279.26, 2 players) 4
nagoya2005 checks, stasia42 bets $185.22, nagoya2005 calls $185.22



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2. VS LagReg with plenty of CR, flop+turn seems standard to me, what do we do OTR?

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

D4rkCha0s (BB): $412.00
stasia42 (SB): $479.37

stasia42 posts SB $2.00, D4rkCha0s posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) stasia42 has A 8

stasia42 raises to $8.80, D4rkCha0s calls $4.80

Flop: ($17.60, 2 players) 9 K A
D4rkCha0s checks, stasia42 bets $11.45, D4rkCha0s raises to $36.00, stasia42 calls $24.55

Turn: ($89.60, 2 players) K
D4rkCha0s bets $62.00, stasia42 calls $62.00

River: ($213.60, 2 players) 7
D4rkCha0s bets $228.00

............

As someone who doesn't play in these games or care about who the regs are, I'd rather have the stats and not the names, to think deeper /analyze the hh and/or discussion about the hh

How can you beat 500nl and still be this dense?

Do you really think something that is stopping a normal reg from being a top notch reg is posting a fishes name, so that when he googles it, your thread comes up and he realizes people are making fun of him?

I see your point, but to my disappointment no strat-talk is being created, not by regs from my stakes whom I know to be reading the Thread, nor by people from lower stakes

Will post stats upon request.

This is exactly what I mean by "old facts"...

Jeez, is this really the reason for the secret SNs?? So that fish that googles his own SN (they always do that, fish, google their own SNs..), for some unknown reason he gets to page 3-4 on google (because all the first results are from all the tracking sites and some random bull****), finds my thread, enters, and sees...?

NOTHING.

no one laughes, no one makes jokes on people, fish or reg, here in the thread. He sees his name, some bull**** tag like "spot" or "recreational", and what?

Stops playing poker?

Invests in a membership at RunItTwice?

Comeon guys, for smart people you sure seem to have some weird logic.

jfc, Theres a fair few people coming in to tell that posting SN's is bad, and there isnt anyone agreeing with you. Why you think that is? Just stop being a f'in dick for the sake of it.

Post reg SN's all you want, but i seriously dont understand what you gain by posting fish sn's and then calling them a fish. Its not like its going to help people contribute to strat

Anyways...

2 hands from today

1. VS Reg+Rec

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

DuTTiFruTTi9 (BTN): $1,015.79
lydia12345 (SB): $517.98
Schmeff (BB): $500.00
Siggujdd (UTG): $566.53
stasia42 (MP): $1,059.18
urmovel (CO): $500.00

lydia12345 posts SB $2.50, Schmeff posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) stasia42 has A T

Siggujdd raises to $12.00, stasia42 raises to $40.00, urmovel calls $40.00, fold, fold, fold, Siggujdd calls $28.00

Flop: ($127.50, 3 players) 9 J 6
Siggujdd checks, stasia42 bets $76.06, fold, Siggujdd calls $76.06

Turn: ($279.62, 2 players) 4
Siggujdd checks, stasia42 bets $98.86, Siggujdd raises to $222.00, stasia42 raises to $943.12 and is all-in, fold



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2. VS good reg & REC, what do we do OTT?

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Andrik17 (BTN): $503.21
stasia42 (SB): $580.56
lukalu1 (BB): $1,135.66
EluSiveMark (UTG): $1,189.41
Danny98765 (MP): $844.15
DuTTiFruTTi9 (CO): $789.00

stasia42 posts SB $2.50, lukalu1 posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) stasia42 has 6 5

EluSiveMark raises to $15.00, fold, fold, Andrik17 calls $15.00, stasia42 calls $12.50, fold

Flop: ($50.00, 3 players) 8 7 Q
stasia42 checks, EluSiveMark bets $27.50, Andrik17 calls $27.50, stasia42 calls $27.50

Turn: ($132.50, 3 players) 9
stasia42 checks, EluSiveMark bets $92.50, Andrik17 calls $92.50

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Pretty sure mark is capable of shoving a bunch of rivers 3 way with pairs and missed draws

So you just call and call any clean river? What about extracting value from the REC?

A hand from today, didn't play a lot with villain (200 hands), looks regish by stats, spot is in vacuum, ~160bb deep.

How do u play every street and if like me, what do we do OTR?

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

ollie_p (BTN): $2,221.47
justcrucial (SB): $1,471.50
Sr.TiltMonky (BB): $514.70
dimps3 (UTG): $675.26
Go0se.core! (MP): $610.37
stasia42 (CO): $837.84

justcrucial posts SB $2.50, Sr.TiltMonky posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) stasia42 has 8 8

fold, fold, stasia42 raises to $11.00, ollie_p raises to $30.00, fold, fold, stasia42 calls $19.00

Flop: ($67.50, 2 players) A 8 6
stasia42 checks, ollie_p bets $40.00, stasia42 calls $40.00

Turn: ($147.50, 2 players) 9
stasia42 checks, ollie_p bets $95.00, stasia42 calls $95.00

River: ($337.50, 2 players) K
stasia42 checks, ollie_p bets $222.50