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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
397 12.73%
$22K TO $28K
456 14.62%
$28K TO $34K
506 16.22%
$34K TO $40K
530 16.99%
$40K TO $46K
298 9.55%
MORE THAN $46K
932 29.88%

07-24-2015 , 04:42 PM
I assumed HSIgrinder was a dealer.
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07-24-2015 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluke22
I assumed HSIgrinder was a dealer.
thats what i thought too

which makes me want to rant....


Poker dealers are some of the more entitled people ive ever met. They are grossly overpaid for the service they provide

-Their line of work isnt difficult and most of them suck at their job.
-Sure, they have to deal with annoying players that blame the dealer for their misfortune or bad play but besides that, their job is pretty damn cushy

If it was up to me, poker dealers wouldnt exist anymore. I know bad players like to feel chips and cards and all that jazz, but if i could get a comouter or robot to do their job, id be more than happy

thata not to say some dealers arent nice people that deal quickly and are friendly/good for the game but common, the kid of money they make amd "expect" is a scam
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07-24-2015 , 07:37 PM
That's why I love to play in Shelbyville, In. at Indiana Grand on the Poker Pro Tables. 50 hands per hour, players are on a one minute clock each hand, and no dealer tipping.

Being so close to Indianapolis, I don't understand why that poker room is'nt much moore popular. For some reason poker players are resistant to play them.
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07-25-2015 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tswpoker1
BTW, how'd the sesh end up after the hot start Ray?
Made a bit more, then lost some back on the 1/2/5 game.
I'm not sure if I mentioned this or not, but the 1/2/5nl imo isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong sometimes it's awesome w the right line up, but usually the game is horrible. I been noticing the 1/2/5nl brings some of the better players off of the reg 1/2 and the action can b nitty. I think I may start turning that game down and play the regular 1/2 that also has occasional straddles. The reg 1/2 game can get juicy and the recreational players are much more exploitable.

This is the first week in a long time that I haven't played any 2/5/10nl. I'm trying to before selective in the games I play, and also stay within my bankroll. Even though I paid the $30k pool from my savings acct, it still took a dent out of my overall roll.
I like to have 40 buy ins ($1500/buyin) to play 2/5/10 and feel comfortable, and right now I'm slightly below. ($30k ish in poker chips in safety dep box, and about $11k in savings = $41k overall life/poker roll. 40buy ins= $1500x40=$60k). I cd buy in for $1k and be right at the suitable 40buyin mark, but I like sitting w $1500-$2k.
As I stated, I may hv to grind the 1/2s for awhile until I build it up. I will still play 2/5/10nl, but mayb once a week opposed to twice a week.

I'm in this poker for the long haul, and I must be wise w my roll. My poker roll is my ammunition and I can't allow myself to ever run out!

Week in review...


Currently $50ish off to reaching some big numbers!
My next session will be exciting as I only need +$50 to surpass the $30k half way mark of the $60k goal. Also +$53 off of $6k in July.
If I can make $7k this month, I may have an outside chance at accomplishing 6 stacks of high society.
+$5,947 in July
+$29,950 overall year to date.

@danger! I think I cd get use to the electronic tables, but I am big on getting physical reads on players and feel I wd miss out on many w electronic tables.
I.e. Vocals on raises, all ins, or how they put their chips out, how they play w their cards...looks like seat 7 has his folding motion before action on him...looks like seat 9 is grabbing for raising chips before action on him...this player has $2 ready to call...this player is shuffling chips (regular??)...this player stacks his chips like a pro (thinking player??)...this guy has his chips in rows of 5 high (donkey???)...this guy asked how many chips u started the hand with (thinking player???)...etc,etc.
^these are things that I wd b missing and thus losing out on key information.
On the flip, electronic tables wd b quicker=more hands, no tipping, smoother run game.
I haven't had a lot of experience w electronic tables. Only in Cherokee for about an hour, but it seemed ok to me. I wd have to sample more to see which I preferred.


Thanks for all the support! Thanks for all the posts! You all give me so much motivation and desire to achieve greatness. Tytytytyty!
I always think about u guys whenever I'm at the tables or involved in a big hand. I kid u not, there have been many moments when I'm playing a big hand, and I recall some of the great feedback/critque from my past hands that was given to me by the 2+2ers...it always helps me make better decisions on the current hand.
I am doing my best not to let u down.

God bless. Have a great weekend!
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07-25-2015 , 02:38 AM
Electronic tables are at least as rigged as online though.

Great thread btw
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07-25-2015 , 02:44 AM
That 1/2/5 game late at night is sick. I know you don't play late night, but if you did, you would be shocked at the difference.

I usually arrive around 10:00pm to midnight, and play until 6;00am or so. You mentioned a couple times lately arriving in the morning to monster stacks in a game that had ran all night. I was in both of those games mentioned, and told my wife when we were leaving the one last week that Rayz was going to love this game when he comes in later!

Monday through Thursday seem to actually be best with 5k to 10k on the table many nights.
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07-25-2015 , 04:59 AM
With the roll not quite there for the 5-10 would you consider maybe game selecting and sitting it only if it's awesome? Just a thought
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07-25-2015 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Danger!
That 1/2/5 game late at night is sick. I know you don't play late night, but if you did, you would be shocked at the difference.

I usually arrive around 10:00pm to midnight, and play until 6;00am or so. You mentioned a couple times lately arriving in the morning to monster stacks in a game that had ran all night. I was in both of those games mentioned, and told my wife when we were leaving the one last week that Rayz was going to love this game when he comes in later!

Monday through Thursday seem to actually be best with 5k to 10k on the table many nights.
The games that run through the night to the next day are always the best games.
I love coming in the mornings fresh and sitting down w players that have been playing through the night w deep stakes.
gd luck @danger!

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Originally Posted by skillz_2106
With the roll not quite there for the 5-10 would you consider maybe game selecting and sitting it only if it's awesome? Just a thought
Yes.

Today:
Day off of poker. Might hv done something terribly bad today.
Is it a bad idea to give my 4yr old a rock star hair cut while momma and 12 year old go out for some school supplies? Wellllllllllllll...........too late!
I know I shd ask my better half before I do something drastic like shaving the side of our 4 yr old's head, but I just felt a little frisky today, so i'm prepared for the backlash. I realize this is probably a -ev play w the gf, but i'm rolling the dice w this one and hoping not to crap out.
What else shd i do if my the little hipster wants a Rihanna style due? I have to support her spunky unique creativeness right? That's what parents do, they support their kid's passions.
Man on man, the little hipster and I are going to be in BIG BIG TROUBLE!!!! More me than her! Ok mayb all me!!!! It's only hair, right?
Mayb we shd just leave and head to the park before they get back. If i delay the inevitable, then mayb i can prolong this smooth sailing Saturday. Can't lie, my nerves are setting in like being up against a 15 outer for stacks. I'm literally walking dead. #askingforprayers
They should be back soon, so I better bounce outta of here.
I'm a 5:1 dog ima dead man by tonight.
If i don't post in awhile, please send CSI and cadaver dogs over my way.
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It's been nice knowing ya.




we gambling,
@rayzrayl
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07-25-2015 , 08:35 PM
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07-26-2015 , 04:38 AM
When i was a child, i once played hair salon with my best friend (girl). She looked like a scarecrow after that and i can only tell u playing hairdresser for a young girl will definitely get you into trouble with her mom. gl tho
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07-26-2015 , 08:17 AM
RIP
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07-27-2015 , 11:33 AM
I may be late to the discussion but I am against electronic tables. The fun of playing cards is you actually have cards. You can blame the dealer, blame the auto shuffler but you know the cards came out in a certain order. We have all been winning in a video game and all of a sudden, something unbelievable happens and POOF you lose. I can handle that if a live person is turning over the card but I am not as trusting of the same thing happening on a computer.

Yes I played online but micro stakes because I don't trust the system enough to put big money in. I did great at the .01/.02 stakes of cash and the $5 SNGs and sure I could pick up betting tells etc, but that doesn't fuel me like looking a person in the eye and raising them with nothing.

Maybe I am getting old but give me 52 cards, real chips, 5-8 more players, someone to shuffle and deal and I am happy.
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07-27-2015 , 11:51 AM
Even if the machines were rigged to deal out good hands to people, it doesn't care who wins. And a good player should still have an edge over a bad player. They should win more in spots where they are ahead and lose less in spots where they are behind.
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07-27-2015 , 06:50 PM
Just tell her it might be grown back by the time the pool is done!!
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07-28-2015 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Might hv done something terribly bad today.
Is it a bad idea to give my 4yr old a rock star hair cut while momma and 12 year old go out for some school supplies? Wellllllllllllll...........too late!
I know I shd ask my better half before I do something drastic like shaving the side of our 4 yr old's head, but I just felt a little frisky today, so i'm prepared for the backlash. I realize this is probably a -ev play w the gf, but i'm rolling the dice w this one and hoping not to crap out.
What else shd i do if my the little hipster wants a Rihanna style due? I have to support her spunky unique creativeness right? That's what parents do, they support their kid's passions.
Man on man, the little hipster and I are going to be in BIG BIG TROUBLE!!!! More me than her! Ok mayb all me!!!! It's only hair, right?
Mayb we shd just leave and head to the park before they get back. If i delay the inevitable, then mayb i can prolong this smooth sailing Saturday. Can't lie, my nerves are setting in like being up against a 15 outer for stacks. I'm literally walking dead. #askingforprayers
They should be back soon, so I better bounce outta of here.
I'm a 5:1 dog ima dead man by tonight.
If i don't post in awhile, please send CSI and cadaver dogs over my way.
*****Tell them to check underneath the pool before they pour the concrete!
It's been nice knowing ya.




we gambling,
@rayzrayl
Never thought it wd get as nuclear as it did.

I went ahead and decided to prepare momma by texting her a pic of "the cut" before she arrived home. I thought this may gv me a "gd read" on the situation. The soul read I got from her reply text told me Armageddon was near approaching.

Ok, I get it, it probably wasn't the best idea to do the "haircut" the same day as a Family Gathering on gf's fam side. I cd have pick a better time, and yes I shd have let the momma know my intentions beforehand. I utterly blew this on all sides like dandelion.

The initial family plans for that evening were to head out to the Horse Farm where Sara's aunt resides, and have a nice little hoedown at the Big Barn Party. They were going to hv a nice spread of food, a variety of kegs, and live music. It was going to be a great time to chill w the fam, eat some gd grub, listen to the bands, and catch a buzz. I really couldn't think of a better place for the 4yr old to rock out her new style. Well, I guess her momma thought otherwise, and immediately went little girl hat shopping prior to the party.

The last 3 days have been rough. Long story short, the fam went to the party without me, and I've been dodging bullets like Phil Helmuth! They are coming in all directions, and my oldest daughter is even on Mom's side...I think she just jelly she isn't #Teamhipster
So it's been #teamhipsters against the world lately. I never thought WW4 wd start this way!
Anyways, I guess me and the 4yr old are the only ones who have style.

The gf reaction was so over the top, I have yet to apologize. Mayb i shd, but I never hv noticed how comfortable the basement couch is until now.

This saga takes me back to the time my father gave me advice on women...I remember him saying that the 3 most important words you can say to your significant other is..."It's my fault."
I think tomorrow, I'm going to man up, and say those 3 words...It's getting a little lonely in the basement.

All kidding aside, I think I messed up on this one.
Flowers, and dinner date may be in order. #parenting

I'm far from perfect,
@rayzrayl

Today:
-$18 playing 1/2nl on 5 hrs 24mins
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07-28-2015 , 01:46 PM
Ah, she'll get over it. Thankfully hair on the little ones grows back like weeds.

Must have been an uber-intense reaction to have skipped over WWIII altogether
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07-28-2015 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by -SOBO-
Ah, she'll get over it. Thankfully hair on the little ones grows back like weeds.

Must have been an uber-intense reaction to have skipped over WWIII altogether
WWIII was a few months ago...we both survived that one. This one, WW4, brought out the weapons of mass destruction. #takecover

Today: Absolutely crushed on the 1/2nl game. Bought in for $300 and ran it up. It always helps when I'm on the right side of some cooler situations.
-I won a couple hundo on 776 flop 66>7X
-I won $400 on a J35 flop K10>24>AX
-I won couple hundo on K84A8 board KK>A8
-I won $150 on the $100 splash when I jammed $300 on my pocket deuces after 6 limps to me on my $10 straddle.
-won many small pots that added up, and made some great lay downs and a great plays.

I definitely had the A game working today, and ended up +$1,003 on 5hrs 54mins. Shout out to a player that introduced himself to me today, named Jeremy. Played w him all day, and he was asking a few questions on how to make it in poker. We talked a bit, and I felt he was a gd dude and gd player.
If your reading this, don't be scared to go for thin value more on rivers. U checked back some hands I wd b betting. Especially in position after checked to u, if oop checking cd b acceptable, but in position I may bet some of those hands. I feel u wd get called a lot more than u wd get raised. Therefore, long term gd play. If they raise u, u can just fold.

July: +$6,929
Year to Date: +$30,932

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Originally Posted by y0l0Theory
thats what i thought too

which makes me want to rant....


Poker dealers are some of the more entitled people ive ever met. They are grossly overpaid for the service they provide

-Their line of work isnt difficult and most of them suck at their job.
-Sure, they have to deal with annoying players that blame the dealer for their misfortune or bad play but besides that, their job is pretty damn cushy

If it was up to me, poker dealers wouldnt exist anymore. I know bad players like to feel chips and cards and all that jazz, but if i could get a comouter or robot to do their job, id be more than happy

thata not to say some dealers arent nice people that deal quickly and are friendly/good for the game but common, the kid of money they make amd "expect" is a scam
Today I actually counted the tips of 8 different dealers. Each 'down' I wd put a white chip behind my stack every time the dealer got one dollar, or 2 chips for $2 tips, or a red chip if they received a Redbird, etc. I did this for 4 hours straight and these are my results. The letters represent the first letter of their name.

Dealer tips tracked on 1/2nl table 6 from 12:30-4:30p. HSI changes dealers every 30 mins, so each down (30mins).
I tracked these totals:

P: $26
D: $19
C: $20
A: $25
D: $29
J: $28
M: $20
E: $21

I feel these tips were standard, and nothing out of ordinary. Tips ranged from $1-$8 dollars on winning pots. I wd say this data collected wd be an average down for most dealers. Based on my research, i wd feel comfortable saying that dealers average $23/down =$46/hr.

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07-28-2015 , 11:12 PM
Butterfly, I made 100k in one year dealing underground games. I believe it 46 an hour is very feasible
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07-29-2015 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
WWIII was a few months ago...we both survived that one. This one, WW4, brought out the weapons of mass destruction. #takecover

Today: Absolutely crushed on the 1/2nl game. Bought in for $300 and ran it up. It always helps when I'm on the right side of some cooler situations.
-I won a couple hundo on 776 flop 66>7X
-I won $400 on a J35 flop K10>24>AX
-I won couple hundo on K84A8 board KK>A8
-I won $150 on the $100 splash when I jammed $300 on my pocket deuces after 6 limps to me on my $10 straddle.
-won many small pots that added up, and made some great lay downs and a great plays.

I definitely had the A game working today, and ended up +$1,003 on 5hrs 54mins. Shout out to a player that introduced himself to me today, named Jeremy. Played w him all day, and he was asking a few questions on how to make it in poker. We talked a bit, and I felt he was a gd dude and gd player.
If your reading this, don't be scared to go for thin value more on rivers. U checked back some hands I wd b betting. Especially in position after checked to u, if oop checking cd b acceptable, but in position I may bet some of those hands. I feel u wd get called a lot more than u wd get raised. Therefore, long term gd play. If they raise u, u can just fold.

July: +$6,929
Year to Date: +$30,932



Today I actually counted the tips of 8 different dealers. Each 'down' I wd put a white chip behind my stack every time the dealer got one dollar, or 2 chips for $2 tips, or a red chip if they received a Redbird, etc. I did this for 4 hours straight and these are my results. The letters represent the first letter of their name.

Dealer tips tracked on 1/2nl table 6 from 12:30-4:30p. HSI changes dealers every 30 mins, so each down (30mins).
I tracked these totals:

P: $26
D: $19
C: $20
A: $25
D: $29
J: $28
M: $20
E: $21

I feel these tips were standard, and nothing out of ordinary. Tips ranged from $1-$8 dollars on winning pots. I wd say this data collected wd be an average down for most dealers. Based on my research, i wd feel comfortable saying that dealers average $23/down =$46/hr.
well crap maybe I should just quit playing and deal. more $ per hr and and low variance
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07-30-2015 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PLOchrisc
well crap maybe I should just quit playing and deal. more $ per hr and and low variance
Yeah, but then you have to put up with us.
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07-31-2015 , 01:25 AM
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Yeah, but then you have to put up with us.
He already has to put up with you now and he doesn't make 100k a year.
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07-31-2015 , 10:34 AM
Right now, if we're too annoying, he can leave or switch tables. If he's a dealer, he has to sit with us on the casino's time, and suffer through us. It might be worth the 100K tho.
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07-31-2015 , 07:48 PM
This hand from a moment ago...

Sb: $10 straddler, 60 yr old lag, $3k stack, loves the action.
Me: $1800 stack

2/5/10nl winner straddle in sb.
3 limps to me in HJ, and call w A♦️4♦️. Cut off calls, button folds, straddler checks his option in sb.


5 way to the flop A♥️3♠️5♦️. Checks to me, and I bet $30 into the pot of $50. Sb calls, mp calls.

Pot $140. 3 players to the turn. 2♦️
Sb checks, mp checks, I bet $85 w 2nd nuts and nut flush re draw. Sb blind ch/raises to $310, mp folds, I call.
Thought about re-raising thinking we both may have a 4 and I can free roll diamonds. I was a little concerned about the 46 nuts though.

Pot $760. HU heading to the river 5♣️.
Sb blind leads out $550, and I tank for a bit.

Any thoughts/feedback/critique about this hand.
Do I call or fold river?
?????

Today's Results:
-$181 on 2hrs 48mins playing 1/2nl
-$523 on 1hr 1 mins playing 1/2/5nl
+$508 on 4hrs 3 mins playing 2/5/10nl

Overall -$200ish on 8ish hrs.
July stats and bankroll pics coming soon.
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07-31-2015 , 10:45 PM
I don't think you have a winning hand. You are a loser or chopping.
I started watching BB17 because of you and now I can't get enough.
Go Johnny Mac.
Did small blind show?
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07-31-2015 , 11:33 PM
Ugly spot. The turn has to be a shove imo. You have about 20% equity vs 64. You dont really care if he calls or folds 4x. You pick up the pot or get $300 equity out of his $1400ish call.
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