I don't understand how you can deal with the pace. It is crazy how slow live goes. I wonder if you can pull off a zone session on you're phone while you play live. Compare the EV of zone and (slight attention) to No zone and full attention.

Think you can play iggy on your phone so theres that lol

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You can and many have before, I would just single table 200nl reg speed though over 200z while playing live just because of the super short timebank playing zone, if you end up in a spot that actually requires any thought you wont even have the full 15 seconds to make a decision if you playing live at the same time. I think grinding reg speed tables though are much easier to manage and you have plenty of timebank if needed while playing a hand live also.

I assume we have a bit more than psb left? Probably bet around half pot, obv super exploitable, but you are not really in danger of being exploited while playing live

One more "live read" thing, you said he seemed uncomfortable with your turn bet - this could pretty much rule out a flushdraw, since he would never even consider folding it to a bet, especially since you did not bet that much.

Neither do I. Its pretty slow but I guess over time you get used to it. I particularly dislike live tournaments because they taken even longer...

Yeah you can. My degen mate (you know who you are) always grinds on the train to and from work.

Yeah true, this all makes sense. It was about 1.1x PSB behind.

Yeah also agree that its highly unlikely I will get exploited playing live. Sample too small on players.

Good see u back and streaming yesterday, deff hope there will be more in the near future. Can watch updog get punished all day and it never gets old.

Yes I will try get a weekly stream going

Latest weekly update vide out now!



Not sure how I should play the QsTs hand at the end of vid in strat.

Been thinking about it more and talking about it to friends. Population does some weird ass **** so I am not sure what is optimal vs pop.

I am currently favouring - bet flop, check call turn and check fold river.

Let me know what you guys think is optimal line vs population

Re: QTss

Not a two street texture with stack depths
Not c-betting QTss is 5nl logic
Better to bet smaller otf with high freq otf unless you somehow think population is going to be bluffing into you when you check often (they aren't)
Better to check turn very often regardless of whether or not you are choosing a low sizing high freq or high sizing low freq strat otf
Check/jam ott is silly and not sure why you would do this

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The population probably calls your 3bet a lot more than you think which means on these types of textures I just c-bet 100% with 1/3rd range
Turn is a very high freq check if you're c-betting flop often (pry 2/3rds of your range check -- i look to polarize range ott ap if i continue) and if you're already polarizing otf then you're still checking a lot due to not having any 9x. This combo (QTss) is very clear check since he doesn't have any weaker Qx that call you and you don't have any 9x.

Legit no reason to x/j QTss unless you think he's calling off 77/88 and like JThh 100% of the time -- you're hand doesn't need much protection (you block TX straight draws, and you have Q high flush draw and top pair weak kicker) and your jam is unlikely to get called by anything worse --- also the spr here is still quite high... would only really consider jamming this if it was only like 2x more his raise to get it in ott.

Same as broken said, but OTF I like using a 50% cbet sizing with a protected x range, maybe it's better in a sn site vs regs to do that and range for 33% will do better in an anonymous site.

OTR are you folding river if it bricks, brokenstars?

I think it makes more sense to x/j with JTss than this hand. Also if we're using a big polarized sizing otf we should check this turn a lot, but if we bet range small we shouldn'x that much because we will still have a lot of 9x in our range with that strat.

Makes sense. I agree I should probably just 1/3 spots that may function as a theoretical check.

I also dislike my turn jam. Literally achieves nothing.

The only thing I would disagree is that this board becomes a 2 street game a decent amount of time on turn regardless of SPR. You can just 1.5-2x turn for what a general linear 3b strat is vs population 3b defending range on button. As I said in the video, it becomes an OB jam on turn on any 7,8 or any heart (I thought a 5 but upon review the OB freq on a 5 is not that high (~13%) but decent frequency on a T ~16%).

Yeah this makes a lot of sense. No incentive to protect checking range in an annon pool so we may as well just 1/3 flop cbet hands that we would have used as a protective check. Although on the flop in a largebet/check strategy I would like to see a larger size than 50%.

Catching up on this thread...

Quoted this in its entirety to point of that you are WAY overthinking man. Live players are total ****ing ******s and you need to just always assume aggression = value (at least on flops and turns) and shrug fold like everything to raises and be wrong <5% of the time.

Live players can literally have any combo of hand at any given moment on any given street. Just play fat abc value town nit fold to aggression and print money.

Also this isn’t an angle this is an embarrassed fish. I played in sfla for years which is probably the second scummiest poker market outside of LA. You’ll know when you’ve been angled. And it will haunt you for months. I’m talking hidden high denom chips, out of turn action, abusing the line/forward motion, verbal spew, “blind” opens, etc.

Yeah true, I have been told many times I over think live spots too much lol.

I also agree that raising actions are most likely weighted towards value.

Also with your live experience, what are your thoughts on the TT hand I folded vs what I thought was a river flush? Should I be bet folding river or check calling or check folding?

I think your sizings are too small but you already called yourself out on that. River is close between all 3 options. Check folding is fine.

I’m sure you’ve realized this, but you can actually value bet really, REALLY thin live. You’ll learn this overtime as you bluff in super wet spots where the bottom of your range is like a straight flush and you get snap called by tpnk. So more often than not, I lean towards value owning myself when I can. They can seem like overplays in a vacuum, but I’m usually pleasantly surprised.

I would have sized turn larger and likely would be jamming that particular river vs a whale as played.

Try not to get too absorbed with live reads and everyone’s an expert but snap decisions on nut changing cards from aggro players are usually bluffs. From recs or passive they are usually nuts.

Ive watched your videos and you obv have a very sharp poker mind, just gotta dial it back for the absolute cluster f**k that is live poker. Altogether...it is actually a very complex game due to the high vpip of 9 players...most people don’t realize this...but 80-90% of it is just playing face up value. (Meaning, expect 6-8bb/hr (lol live metrics) by playing solid abc...8-12bb/hr by deep studying what it means to see a flop with 8 other players.)

ok every live player I have spoken to or has commented on the hand have all said they would value jam that river. Pretty interesting, definitely a spot (and other similar spots) that I would be losing EV.

Yeah playing 9 handed feels very different. I have to admit sometimes when it is 9-10 handed I get a little bit lost in the 4-6 person multi way pots. I do however feel very comfortable in heads up, 3 way pots and when the table is short handed (3-7). I guess I just need to keep putting in volume and hopefully after more live hours I will have enough experience to identify all the nuances that will allow me to maximise EV

live and online are like night and day. No need for 1/3 psb vs these guys and trying to play gto strategy. No mdf strat because you will find yourself paying them off too much. they bluff a little bit but not a lot on average. In spots where you would not think a solid player would do "that" just assume that they will do "that" .these ****ers will show up with some of the strangest **** imaginable. They will literally have you scratching your head they are so bad.
ABC poker crushes the avg live player.
They don't think in terms of big blinds sizing it's all about the monetary value of the bet.
Bet large with bluffs vs them otr the avg live player is frightened by large bets.
Value bet them to death with 50-70% psb otr

Ya honestly live poker the more you think/over analyze strat the more trouble you get yourself into. Keep it nice an simple and stack up those chips.

Wooo so much strat in here!

Just came to say im subbed and gl

The only stuff you might want to check is like 0 equity garbage like if you somehow had 54dd or A5dd or something ... just x/f those hands. QTss would only be a check if ip was throwing money into the pot at abnormal frequencies when checked to, i.e., a higher frequency than his calling facing a bet.

Yeah of course. Only hands that were going to check call would be thrown into 1/3 range.

And yea thats true. Hasn't really been enough statistical evidence to suggest they do so yeah I like flop 1/3 a lot more than checking.

I just looked at the TT hand and yeah the way I'd play it would be: preflop and flop I'd do exactly the same as you did. Same size and everything. I think your flop x/r is good.

Turn I'd go much bigger, something like $550 into $665.

River I'd definitely value jam if we only have a PSB left. If we were much deeper (eg. if we still had like 4k left and there was only 1.3k in the pot) then I'd bet/fold like $800. I expect him to basically show up with every single KT/KJ/KQ combo there is, and I expect most of those combos to pay off a decent sized river bet, despite the frontdoor flush getting there.

Yeah this makes sense.

October Review

So its that time again where I will review the previous month

Graph for October:



By far the lowest volume month of the year. However it was good to post a positive month after posting a losing month in September. I think reducing the volume and returning back to 2hour sessions has had a significant impact on the results. I will admit that I have run pretty well in card distribution for October. Although my online volume was low I did put in quite a few live sessions.

Productivity wise, I think the month was very poor. I spent minimal time on my business ventures, investing and other learning ventures (languages). I also did not post as many youtube videos or twitch streams. I only remained productive with regards to my study off the tables and my gym routine.

For November I am going to try grind out my regular poker hours (6-8 hours a day). I am also going to focus a lot on poker content creation. I am thinking about starting an Instagram where I document some of my day to day activities surrounding the online grind. I am also going to try stream once a week on fridays.

I also said I would grind some 500nl this month, however the 500z tables have rarely been running. Whenever the pool runs I will jump in and battle.

I will continue to study and complete our poker group study modules that we have created. We have nearly completed all of the 100bb spots (2b 3b and 4b spots as both OOP and IP). We just need to do BvB however the scripting for this is a massive pain in the ass as it takes a long time to solve.

Since my October volume was very poor, I think I have blown my chance to hit 1m hands for the year* (started ignition in mid december so a little over a year). I need to pump out 230k hands in two months. I think its possible to do but I do not want to have another issue where it severly affects my play and thus my winrate. I also have quite a few events planned for December so physically putting in volume will be difficult. I think a compromise goal of 900k hands for the year is fair.

Congrats on the month results although slackin in the volume department as well, really need to get a volume battle prop between you an broken or someone else grinding $200z going for motivation lol. Good luck on the tables in November, maybe crank out few more YT vids and weekly stream??!??

Jesus almost 1m hands on that site?? I'll probably hit like 300k but no zone hands.

Nice month. You're killing it. Keep it up.