How did the sess end up going last night? Caught couple hours of stream an seemed to be a fairly swingy one from what I witnessed. Hopefully will see you stream more in the future and possibly a 500z stream????

Really wanna see where mzbourg plays, from what he posted so far, I think stars? Wouldnt be surprised if he were papagun or timeoes lol

Ah ok. That is fine. I will take his comment at face value for now.

Pretty poorly. Ended up losing close to 4.5 buyins ($900) which all came in the last hour or so of the stream. This is now the 3rd stream in a row where my 3rd hour has been riddled with mistakes. I think I will have to cut the stream to only 2 hours because this is what am I used to off stream and has proven to be very successful. Maybe what I could do is 2 hours grind then 30 mins of doing something else poker related (i.e. review kizzahs hands) then grinding another hour or so. Still haven't really worked it out yet.

I don't think there will be a 500z stream anytime soon hahaa. Still feel like I am not playing anywhere close to A when streaming. Just gotta keep practicing.

How is playing ignition a crime?

Having a 240k sample at ignition and charging 100$/hr for coaching, that’s a ****ing crime.

Wait a sec...

I;m not even in this convo and ur trolling me? lol

I understand where you are coming from. Personally I have never paid for coaching and don't plan on paying for coaching in the near future just because I do not feel comfortable that poker coaches would have good coaching or teaching methods despite them being amazing players. I have been a football coach for a while and I have seen so many amazing players coach horribly. Playing ability does not necessarily translate to coaching ability in my opinion. In football, and I am sure in many other sports, you need to get licences to become qualified and unfortunately in poker there is no system that can qualify poker coaches and therefore I always remain skeptical.

However when you compare poker coaching prices to tutoring for education or musical instruments 100$ doesn't seem that ridiculous. I know tutoring around my area for university or high school is like 60-120$ an hour. My aunty does piano tutoring and charges $60 half an hour and the demand is ridiculously high. My aunty doesn't have any qualifications but word of mouth spread and every parent wants their daughter or son to get lessons off her because her teaching methods were showing results.

At the end of the day its a supply and demand market for this service. If someone is willing to pay for the coaching and really wants said person to do it. Then I don't see an issue. I generally refer the people that ask me for coaching to Broken as I don't feel like I could provide a quality service at this current time as I am super busy with a number of different things. I also think, from the many times we have spoken about strategy and population stuff, he would have the best insight/strategies into beating the pool (and no I am not an affiliate or receiving any benefit to make those referrals so it is somewhat unbiased).

Stating facts is not a troll.

He might be the first coach in the history of poker to charge more than his actual hourly AND not be worth it.

If Rapidesh is a result of his coaching methods then he definitely isn’t showing results yet.

Then again, the one thing I agree with, if someone wants to pay for it, I am not sure why I have an issue with it. They are wasting their own money. Not mine.

This is a bit ridiculous, my name is AomIsHot22 on pokerstars, I have a youtube channel, have a runitonce account called 'paid_to_laid'.

This idea that he's not worth it is totally ridiculous, the last coaching session I received from broken stars, he prepped for likely half an hour or 45 minutes to just get the slides for the presentation he showed me, he spent 1 hour 15 minutes with me trying to get me to understand the EV's in these BvB situations post flop, and in addition to that he gave me some free software to use when I was not in coaching, just so I could work on very technical stuff. I have done over 20 sessions with him, and to be honest, there are very few people that have helped me a ton, and he is certainly one of them. I'm a 2-3bb/100 winner on stars lifetime, he has helped me immensely in the last two years, and I have a lot of gratitude for his help. Before he also was charging $50/hour. Now he has gotten better, his material is better, in addition to that he is playing higher and his hourly is probably higher. To say it isn't worth it is just disrespectful and absolutely not my perception of him. I have moved up from playing 25nl on pokerstars when I first was doing coaching with him, and currently I'm playing 200nl-500nl on various sites. I'm still winning 2-3bb/100. His work with me and teaching me about piosolver, and his pacience and support, messaging me about hands even when I didn't pay him money, him taking his time to help me get simulations set up etc speaks for itself and I'm grateful for that. Thank you brokenstars

Have you actually received coaching from Brokenstars? If not, I can't begin to understand how you can claim this. Coaching has nothing to do with the coach's hourly but everything to do with the student's ROI with respect to the way the coach presents and teaches the information. It saves the student time and provides them with confidence that the information is reliable and tested. I've actually received coaching from Brokenstars and it was most definitely worth the money. The fact that he is a long time contributor to the forums and well respected by many the community should speak for itself.

let's not derail this thread

$100 is def worth it, he could easily charge way more

coaching is pretty polarising, you either get a really good one or a really **** one. $100 is a bargain if broken is indeed a good coach

Great job Brokenstars. Getting some unknown **** bags to vouch for you. Well played.

Gonna be upfront and transparent here, I was referred here since @Brokenstars did refer me here to back him up. TBH though, I think I'd end up finding myself here anyways since I do lurk Brokenstars, Neuron, and Skuzlad's PGC fairly often, as they are all established and known ~200NL+ players.

I'm currently a student of Brokenstars, as he's taken me under his wing as basically a pilot for a coaching for profits deal. We have had a couple coaching sessions from when I first began, at this time I was mainly a breakeven/slightly winning player at 10/25NL on Ignition. I didn't play any zone at the time, since I figured that without a HUD on many of the recreational players that play on the site, I wouldn't know how to play against many of the regulars. I haven't had a coach prior to this, and I'd say that back then, I was a breakeven/losing player at these stakes who had no clue on what direction on where to go. Take it for what it was worth but I am a relatively new player to the game with probably around ~100K total hands ever played. I come from a gaming background, particularly League of Legends. We have played LoL for quite a while, before I got this offer. Admittedly at the time, I found Brokenstars through /r/poker being one of the only Ignition streamers and overall crushing at 200z. Before we had even introduced one another or had played a game of League, he has been my single biggest inspiration to become an absolute crusher like him on one of the only few sites that is available to US players.

And to be honest, I think I learned a lot about coaching and a way that works for me to approach the game when I started to take lessons from him. Whether it be from the core fundamentals of the actual game to the use of piosolver to know how to properly defend the BB/SB, I knew that I had a lot to learn. While I personally can't say that Brokenstars is the greatest coach in the world and will help you retain and apply everything he says to your own game (this is something that is limited to what the student actually does moving forward), he certainly has helped me determine leaks and problems in my game to plug and I'm confident that (at least for Ignition) I'll be able to reach the 200NL stake and be a winning player at that level by the end of the 250K hand deal we have made.

At least for Ignition Casino (and probably other sites as well), it's clear he knows what he's talking about and knows exactly what one needs to change to become a winning player. I can confidently say that Brokenstars has helped me drastically reduce time that I'd have to spend on my own to plug my own leaks.

Here's an example of my stats before I got coaching from @Brokenstars:



I don't even have 20-30K more hands to even show you from the past, as it's depressing and embarrassing to see a graph like that over an extended period of time when you take the game on your own seriously. So I did what my naturally tilted self would do, purge my old DBs when I see a graph like this over a sample size of ~10-20K hands. You get the idea though.

This is my graph roughly ~10K hands after Brokenstars has taken me under his wing. Admittedly, the ~10K hands didn't go great as it was yet again ~BE, however this was at a time where I did need to do a lot of studying and work on my own play. I've omitted a very small sample of 200z as well from this graph, due to the fact that my main stake currently is 50NLz/50NL. I will be 100NL fairly soon, and around that time I will be getting piosolver myself. Let me know if you want me to add it though




TL;DR

-Brokenstars is definitely worth it for $100/hour to improve your game. He is a solid winning reg on Ignition.
-Mechanically at the game, he has a great understanding of it to warrant $100/h
-I wish I didn't do CFP and just flat out paid him $100/h to improve on my own game as I think I'll be paying a hell of a lot more over 250K hands
-I should probably update my PGC and not be so lazy, I still have a ****ton of hands to play left out of the 250K...

Who knew mzbourg was such a kunt :')

I've know this for a while now.
Pure Kunt

Just made $10k on stream btw

Sample too small bro, you're just a fish on a heater and no one should buy your coaching.

I've spent a long time talking hands and strategy with BrokenStars. He would definitely be a large winner at 200z, and probably beat 500z. Choosing to play on Ignition instead of those games doesn't make you any worse, it just indicates you are smart and like money. Two qualities I would search for in a coach.

It's directly against my interest with my position in D7sArmy, but I would happily argue that $100 an hour is a very fair rate for his time.

Ironic that a large proportion of the people calling him out ITT have spent a 5+ years accumulating posts on a poker forum without becoming winners at 25nl.

this thread got gay fast. I prefer mzbourg trolling.

did i click on the wrong thread?

btw skuz i folded chop RIP. i guess call minraise fold jam

I don't know much about brokenstars besides watching his stream a lil bit and reading his posts but 100$/hour seems fair to me all things considered

Nooooo. Folding chop. Like I said on stream probablt have to call. Next week we do another hand history on stream

unlucky, I was grinding and watching once ina while but it seemed like you had some nice stacks going for a bit so that sucks to hear. I think just cutting the stream and sessions down to 2 hours is a smart move in the future esp. if you are seeing a patern in losing/not focusing or not playing your A game after 2+ hours in. Maybe once you grind 2 hours you could review your hands from previous sessions or even chat like you said. Best of luck on the grind though I know you were getting close to the next 500z shot so hopefully that session won’t effect that much.



May we return to the Skuz thread instread of entertaining trolls, thanks.

Only took you 7724 posts but you finally said something reasonable. Well done.