Now we need to run sims to decide what to do with 2p vs whales. Heard it all now. Hopefully super computing with be able to solve this complex spot in the future.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
Well you could try to do it by hand if you like, it just will take a long time and maybe it will not be feasible to make it as accurate as a computer.
Even though I don't usually agree with mirage, I'm with him on this one, whales are so unpredictable that the ranges we put in there will make the margin of error be huge. Their game is so random that I think the best way to deal with them is to try to think like they do, I think that there is way more merit in studying what their ranges look like rather than make a sim to give you the answer of how you should play vs the range that you think they have.
Played 1 terrible hand today, 100% like a ******, but managed to play well the other 1.3k hands at least
Some hands
H1: vs fishy passive player, so annoying to have to fold this
H2: vs king of nits, folded quite fast this one, I'm pretty sure he isn't valuebetting flushes on paired boards. My plan was to bet-fold to get value off Ax/flushes
Hero raises to 2.32 BB, MP raises to 8.46 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.14 BB
Flop:(18.42 BB, 2 players) T 7 9 Hero checks, MP bets 8.75 BB, Hero raises to 91.54 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 34.12 BB
H4:vs fish Thought about just folding turn, meh, but with his sizing, it seems that he didn't have his FH already, so decided to draw to my fullhouse and maybe sometimes hope to win at showdown vs a give up(if he has one with this sizing mw)
H6: vs 70 vpip whale, he was probably super wide after calling the 3-bet and I think he would bet almost anything there, so went for the x/shove to deny equity from unpaired hands, I expected to have 25-30% equity when called here most often, relying on fold equity to be +EV, which I'm pretty sure it was a very fine play vs that guy in that scenario, didn't expect that it could be even better lol!
H1. That's what you get for defending j2o. Never a defend. Don't bother giving me the ' its ok at a frequency' just fold that trash and move on.
H2. How the F are you expecting to get all the money in by xc that wet flop oop in a srp? christ, raise the flop. As played Villain not betting Ax or boats on turn makes no sense, looks like he raised a flush and bluffed some scared money off a boat.
H3. Defending a 3bet there with AJo is lolz. Firstly villain does not have 30% 3bet MP vs UTG, secondly if he did, it makes it a 4bet not a flat. As played flop xj is ******ed as none of his value hands are folding and your screwed vs his calling range. Apart from that wp.
H4. River is a call. Your just getting scared when villains bet pot, fish has lots of bluffs there or just thinks his Qx is the nuts.
H6. I actually don't mind the flop jam, but i actually don't like squeezing in those spots vs those type of players oop because you get into ******ed spots as you did. I would flat that hand pre.
H1. That's what you get for defending j2o. Never a defend. Don't bother giving me the ' its ok at a frequency' just fold that trash and move on.
H2. How the F are you expecting to get all the money in by xc that wet flop oop in a srp? christ, raise the flop. As played Villain not betting Ax or boats on turn makes no sense, looks like he raised a flush and bluffed some scared money off a boat.
H3. Defending a 3bet there with AJo is lolz. Firstly villain does not have 30% 3bet MP vs UTG, secondly if he did, it makes it a 4bet not a flat. As played flop xj is ******ed as none of his value hands are folding and your screwed vs his calling range. Apart from that wp.
H4. River is a call. Your just getting scared when villains bet pot, fish has lots of bluffs there or just thinks his Qx is the nuts.
H6. I actually don't mind the flop jam, but i actually don't like squeezing in those spots vs those type of players oop because you get into ******ed spots as you did. I would flat that hand pre.
While there is some solid advice to be found in your posts your arrogance is dwarfing your competence(IMHO). Even if i should be wrong here, a more respectful conversation would for sure be mutually beneficial.
While there is some solid advice to be found in your posts your arrogance is dwarfing your competence(IMHO). Even if i should be wrong here, a more respectful conversation would for sure be mutually beneficial.
gg gl
He gives some decent advice (for a 10z player lelelel) from time to time he just does it in a kinda funny ass hole way.
Am I the only one growing to like him?
Btw there are some pretty absurd folds in those hands imo.
Here is so much lol from rapid and his journey in hs micros= fav thread.
Rapidesh brings people together!
I'm the avatar of poker man, the guy that unites all nits, aggro regs, stations and whales in the same thread lol. First time you posted without flaming me. Are you on weed or something?
H1: Btw, this was one of my sickest bluffs ever LOL!! Guy was raising OTF with a mergy range, so developed a 3-bet range vs that, OTT it was quite bad for my range, so decided to bet super polarized there, and thought that without having the spades it wasn't a strong enough draw to bet there, also I drew to a lower straight, so went for the check back.
OTR I went for the vamo, he tanked a lot and folded haha!!!
Turn:(33 BB, 2 players) T Hero checks, CO bets 17.24 BB, Hero raises to 91.88 BB and is all-in, CO calls 74.64 BB
River:(216.76 BB, 2 players) A
Spoiler:
Hero shows Q A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 74%, Flop 75%, Turn 7%) CO shows K Q (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 26%, Flop 25%, Turn 93%) CO wins 214.26 BB
H5: Some nits will say that it's too thin! Not in sickland haha. Yeah, actually it's too thin without at least a clubs, right? It was an exploitative valuebet, relied on villain to make terrible calls like this to make the play +EV. He tanked until the last second and called
River:(77.02 BB, 2 players) 9 MP checks, Hero bets 66.42 BB and is all-in, MP calls 66.42 BB
Spoiler:
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 75%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%) MP shows A Q (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 25%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%) Hero wins 207.36 BB
H6: spew hand, villain was soooo tilting, he had 70+ VPIP and 11 AF, was raising any2, so he tilted me like crazy and ended up jamming, couldn't believe my equity lol
H1, 67o, pure button clicking. No idea what your repping on that river with that dog **** sizing.
H4 Awful ,just call turn.
H5, totally villain dependent. Against a reg it would be too thin.
H6. Villain is a short stack, whale calling everything, so instead of folding you think its a great idea to 3bet him oop with A3o. Classic rapidesh logic. You out whaled him. WD.
H7. Seems ok, I would prob take xc line though as I don't expect many folds on that flop.
H8.His range is so Ax heavy on the river, so its an awful jam trying to get anyone off Ax there.
Played well today, but my mental game is quite bad, every time I stack someone at 200z I want to leave the game lol! Sunrunning like crazy there, it's the first time that I'm getting lucky when I take shots at higher stakes. Guess now I'm the demon from the small stakes haha, was the demon from the microstakes for too long!!
Some hands
H1: isildur1!!!!! Tbh I just felt it was a jam, like, a jam sounded so right to me in that spot, villain has so many midpairs/Tx, so few Qx/flushes, so I wanted to put max pressure on that range, so had to be valuebetting hands like this one to make Tx a breakeven call for villain. Ofc I didn't expect him to show with AA there lol. Got owned by his move, wp!
River:(47.32 BB, 2 players) 2 Hero bets 81.35 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 81.35 BB
Spoiler:
Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes)
(Pre 19%, Flop 6%, Turn 5%) BTN shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 81%, Flop 94%, Turn 95%) BTN wins 207.52 BB
H2: vs reg that knows about this thread, OTR it's just a give up imo, it's very easy to overbluff and I block everything. His turn call is insane lol. Btw, I'm 100% sure he wasn't folding the river after calling with that hand OTT, am I right?
H3: vs orojanivu, since I know he plays 100% street poker, I induced a timing tell OTF: decided to call quite fast to show weakness(that I had a TP/midpair/flush draws type of hands), since most slowplayed sets usually take a while to call the flop(because they're pondering a raise ofc). it seems it payed off like crazy there lol. Also from what I've read in his thread, he said he respected a lot people that slowplayed nutted hands on drawy boards, so expected him to exploit capped ranges a lot.
H5: vs fish, flop is std, he has a ton of overcards, turn is a mandatory double barrel, since he will have some sticky overcards, and OTR his range is so weighted to midpairs and fish hate to see an A there that I think that it's a bluff in there. Ofc it's terrible to bluff vs fish, but when the A/K comes OTR, that's a spot where I feel that they overfold like crazy(they always put us on AK ofc lol). Good bluff OTR? I was giving up on all rivers but A/K ones vs him. Is my read wrong or do you guys think fish overfold on those rivers?
River:(70.89 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 89.1 BB and is all-in, fold
SB wins 69.52 BB
H7: almost folded turn, but he could be stabbing as a semi-bluff there, also vs such passive actions by all villains, he will expect his bet to get a lot of folds. OTF the x is quite std imo, hard to get value from worse, we will get jammed on quite often, also by x back we can see all the actions again and see if someone got his set(some guys will get a boner and overbet jam haha). Also AQ is a thing ofc haha Good fold OTR, right?
H4 is just a suckout, not sure why you're proud of that.
I didn't used to jam there OTT, I just used to call, then some scary card would come OTR and fish would fold sometimes. I'm proud that I'm playing better in those spots and not letting that happen anymore!
How do you show up with TP with that line on that board? As i thought, even you had no idea what you were repping.
Lets see.
Quote:
H1: isildur1!!!!! Tbh I just felt it was a jam, like, a jam sounded so right to me in that spot, villain has so many midpairs/Tx, so few Qx/flushes, so I wanted to put max pressure on that range, so had to be valuebetting hands like this one to make Tx a breakeven call for villain. Ofc I didn't expect him to show with AA there lol. Got owned by his move, wp!
I have no idea what this even means but I'm pretty sure its ******ed. Your jam just lets him snap fold everything that you beat. The fact you think your value betting there is mind blowing.
H2. Just imagine how much of a ****** that reg thinks you are to be calling you down with that hand on that board. lolz.
Quote:
H3: vs orojanivu, since I know he plays 100% street poker, I induced a timing tell OTF: decided to call quite fast to show weakness(that I had a TP/midpair/flush draws type of hands), since most slowplayed sets usually take a while to call the flop(because they're pondering a raise ofc). it seems it payed off like crazy there lol. Also from what I've read in his thread, he said he respected a lot people that slowplayed nutted hands on drawy boards, so expected him to exploit capped ranges a lot.
It seems your still not smart enough to raise sets multi way on wet flops, something which random a random 2nl donk would know, and instead leveled yourself with some of the most ******ed logic ever witnessed. You flatted flop, a massive -ev play because your read somewhere that villain respected fish that make massive -ev plays on wet boards? The only reason you got paid is because he took an even more awful line than yours.
H4. You are proud of raising flop with air and donking someone?
JJ hand is awful man. Just because his range is capped doesnt mean you can start shoving 2x pot with second pair. You can for sure have an all in size otr, but JJ never gets shoved here.
I'm in . Inspiring to see your lifetime graph tbh and can see the changes you have made to make you into a winning player from micros to where you are now . +1 for mirage though abit of trolling in there with some constructive feedback for sure in his own way kinda makes this thread looking forward to his replys to your HH's
JJ hand is awful man. Just because his range is capped doesnt mean you can start shoving 2x pot with second pair. You can for sure have an all in size otr, but JJ never gets shoved here.
if he is actually capped there at Tx, then 2x potting makes a lot of sense with anything that beats that. Ofc in reality he will have some Qx/flushes that checked back(he showed even with AA, so who knows what he has there haha)
I got greedy and got owned, villain didn't play as I expected and he got rewarded with his strategy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantor1987
I'm in . Inspiring to see your lifetime graph tbh and can see the changes you have made to make you into a winning player from micros to where you are now . +1 for mirage though abit of trolling in there with some constructive feedback for sure in his own way kinda makes this thread looking forward to his replys to your HH's
Yeah, also it seems mirage has learned a lot by discussing strats in here also, he complimented my 2x pot bluff jam with the Ac blocker some hands ago haha!
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
How do you show up with TP with that line on that board? As i thought, even you had no idea what you were repping.
Lets see.
I have no idea what this even means but I'm pretty sure its ******ed. Your jam just lets him snap fold everything that you beat. The fact you think your value betting there is mind blowing.
H2. Just imagine how much of a ****** that reg thinks you are to be calling you down with that hand on that board. lolz.
It seems your still not smart enough to raise sets multi way on wet flops, something which random a random 2nl donk would know, and instead leveled yourself with some of the most ******ed logic ever witnessed. You flatted flop, a massive -ev play because your read somewhere that villain respected fish that make massive -ev plays on wet boards? The only reason you got paid is because he took an even more awful line than yours.
H4. You are proud of raising flop with air and donking someone?
I could be 3-betting the flop with AKs/AQs without the backdoor flush draw, some AXs with the BDFD, hands which work better as 3-bets OTF because they're not quite strong enough to call. I'm valuebetting those OTR for that sizing, since villain is likely to have a random midpair that went for a mergy raise OTF.
H2: even if I'm playing like a ******, nothing justifies that, even my absolute worst air have like 12% vs him, any decent draw has 30-40% and vs my value range he has 0% equity.
Not every set is a raise, man, with smart opponents that are acting after us, we need to give them some credit and let them raise their draws, if I had raised the PFR, villain would play perfectly vs me by folding his SDV/draws. By calling I let him squeeze the flop. On top of that, if we add my read that I got from reading his thread, it's 100% a call, raising isn't even an option there.
if he is actually capped there at Tx, then 2x potting makes a lot of sense with anything that beats that.
Actually it makes no sense because nobody is calling your bet with Tx, thus you just lost value and owned urself vs hands that beat you. The only hands I would play like that would be a flush, sets, or maybe AAh, but id bet turn bigger with them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I could be 3-betting the flop with AKs/AQs without the backdoor flush draw, some AXs with the BDFD, hands which work better as 3-bets OTF because they're not quite strong enough to call.
You should not have a 3bet range on that flop at all. If you do your just being a ******.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
H2: even if I'm playing like a ******, nothing justifies that, even my absolute worst air have like 12% vs him, any decent draw has 30-40% and vs my value range he has 0% equity.
Even his flop call was awful. No real surprise, most regs are pretty stupid so you should be looking for ways to exploit them not get exploited.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Not every set is a raise, man, with smart opponents that are acting after us, we need to give them some credit and let them raise their draws, if I had raised the PFR, villain would play perfectly vs me by folding his SDV/draws. By calling I let him squeeze the flop. On top of that, if we add my read that I got from reading his thread, it's 100% a call, raising isn't even an option there.
Firstly he cant be too smart by flatting 98s there pre flop and flatting the flop. Secondly not every set is a raise of course by 3 way on a wet flop Its a raise 100% imo. You want to get value from over pairs and draws and play for stacks. So many turns kill your action or hand. SB looks like a ******, I think I should pay his thread a visit. Hes not Brazilian by any chance is he?
You say if you raise he can play his SDV and draws perfectly? That's opposite. If you just flat he plays perfect and mistake free, but raising is when you force them into mistakes because they don't fold correctly. If you dont raise sets in that spot, whats ur raising range look right? Just ****** stuff or draws? Easy to play against.
Meh, wasn't feeling like playing, then internet starts to disconnect. Calling it a day.
I still have that feeling that I don't want to play after winning a lot, but it has reduced quite a lot in the last 2 weeks.
The only interesting hand from today
H1: vs king of nits, went really crazy in this one, but villain was the type of guy that would slowplay KK/AA pre, he was really passive too, and tbh I haven't paid much attention pre, his RFI was so tight that QQ was better as a cold call there