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01-23-2018 , 08:26 PM
lol I play online, and 50/100 was years ago, haven't played higher than 10/20 online in the last 3 or 4 yrs
01-23-2018 , 08:36 PM
My point is that the way you articulate your opinions leads me to believe you haven't played above 100nlz on stars. And by played I mean amassed a significant hand sample at these stakes. If you really do play 5/10 at a respectable level (i.e not a Swedish Network lel), you'd know the post I quoted of you would sound unsophisticated, at best. That's why I'm having a hard time taking what you say seriously. The fact that you mentioned you played 50/100 is laughable as well. I took at shot at 25/50 a few times, but I'd be an idiot to say I've played these stakes.
01-23-2018 , 08:47 PM
Well I've played these stakes regularly for a period of approximately 8 months, I never felt too comfortable though

and no I didn't bother explaining into details why TT was a raise there because to me it's kind of a no brainer, even against someone who is using a 1 sizing strategy on the river, raising is making more chips than calling
01-23-2018 , 08:57 PM
What kind of information are you going on that makes a raise in this spot such a "no brainer"?

Edit: "playing these stakes for 8 months" once again tells us nothing and is just beating around the bush. Not trying to say you're full of ****, but tbh you sound full of ****
01-23-2018 , 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade

So his range is most likely weaker than an actually properly balanced one.
Actually it's not, we're talking about a player that is super unbalanced towards value, it's also very likely that villain has no bluffing range for that sizing. So a range that is made only by nutted hands is way stronger than a balanced one.

It's harder to play against a balanced range, but in an environment where it's usually right to bet-fold flushes on paired boards even when facing min-raises OTR, it's a totally different game, and the answer is really simple when facing a range like that:

Spoiler:
fold


Vs a strong opponent that is valuebetting as thin as AK/AJ for that sizing and has a bluffing range on that spot that is balanced, it's a crime to just call with TT there because villain wouldn't be punished when putting pressure on our SDV hands that want to see showdown. Vs someone that is competent, I'm always x/jamming there.

But against someone that is only betting value and is capable of folding the bottom of his value range, x/jamming is terrible. I've made way tougher folds than AQ in villain's shoes, even though I'm viewed as a bluff monkey, I can see people laying down hands as strong as AQ there vs me. If villain is folding all his AQ, the EV of the jam is worse than folding to his bet.

Why don't you get it in pre-flop with QQ vs a 9/5 nit? Because he just has it all the time. The concept is the same here: vs very tight opponents, we should be careful with how much we fight for the pot and face resistance, because we will be valueowning ourselves a ton.

I didn't make this check-call because I'm scared, I've made it because I thought he wouldn't call with worse enough of the time. From what I've found, adapting to those nits is the key factor in beating 50z-100z, they're the most common type of player and we can't afford to lose those extra 70bbs and say "oh, it was a cooler".

I really do my best to punish people that think I'm a super aggro monkey, but it was really too thin this time imo.
01-23-2018 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick93
What kind of information are you going on that makes a raise in this spot such a "no brainer"?

Edit: "playing these stakes for 8 months" once again tells us nothing and is just beating around the bush. Not trying to say you're full of ****, but tbh you sound full of ****
xenoblade's opinions are very good imo, but he is failing to understand villain's tendencies here. His posts are more GTO-oriented, against that villain the best approach is to throw GTO through the window.
01-23-2018 , 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
xenoblade's opinions are very good imo, but he is failing to understand villain's tendencies here. His posts are more GTO-oriented, against that villain the best approach is to throw GTO through the window.
But that's the thing, if xeno studied GTO at all he'd be aware that hero should be raising/calling/folding at specific frequencies. I don't know the frequencies. I'd have to make assumptions about villains ranges and sizings. The fact that xeno is so dogmatic in doing one thing and one thing only makes me question whether he plays poker at the level he claims to.
01-23-2018 , 09:21 PM
I play 1000/2000 and have threesomes every night bc internet. NOW LISTEN TO ME!!!
01-23-2018 , 09:29 PM
TT is a slam dunk raise on river. its extremely nitty to just call there. In other spots you are extremely loose and you consistently make these wild assumptions about opponents range, when you would need a ton of evidence to make them
01-23-2018 , 09:39 PM
Lel. It seems like a lot of ppl itt are clicking the spoilers and saying "yeaaa slam dunk raise ofc ofc"
01-23-2018 , 09:45 PM
I do deviate from my attempt at playing GTO (I'm doing a much more simplified version of it of course) but when you are the one doing the betting it doesn't matter what villain does with his range, it's fine to overfold, or call hands you shouldn't call with specific reads, but it takes a very large sample to assume correctly that someone is so nitty that you can just bluff any 2 cards and not raise TT for value here.... you would almost need to see his folds face up to justify this
01-23-2018 , 09:46 PM
Btw, had a terrible session today, running like total garbage for the month.

Bankroll is probably around $2300

Even by running 1k below EV and getting very unlucky in non-all in spots, as well as running into the nuts every single time I make a big bluff/thin valuebet, I'm really confident on 100z. I think I can beat the game by 5bb/100, at least until villains adapt to my style ofc.

Basically I'm the loosest player on 100z and I'm putting really good fights against those who are trying to defend their blinds. VPIP is 31 for the month lol. Most of the money I'm making on 50z are from weaktight regs/fish, I'm really getting better at exploiting them on more common spots, specially in small pots, which is where I think it's more important in poker.

Some hands

Since we're discussing thin valuebetting, here are some interesting hands about this topic.

H1: I've seen villains calling me OTR with overpairs because the flush draw missed, usually they fold less vs a backdoor flush draw. Runnout seems kinda hopeless for AA/KK, but I thought it was a good valuebet. Good move or too thin? Not many reads on villain. At least I'm denying blocker calls like with AcAx, right? I've seen some pio sims where it check-raises the river with bottom set to punish villain from calling with his blockers.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 191.3 BB
SB: 121.41 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 116.06 BB
MP: 167.12 BB
CO: 45.15 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 8

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) J 4 2
Hero checks, MP bets 3.09 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 6.91 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 18.89 BB, MP calls 18.89 BB

River: (64.28 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 69.11 BB and is all-in, MP calls 69.11 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 6 8 (Two Pair, Eights and Sixes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 26%, Turn 18%)
MP shows 2 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 48%, Flop 74%, Turn 82%)
MP wins 200 BB



H2: vs unknown, good valuebet OTR? I think the 8 OTR is kinda annoying, but if villain is a fish it's terrible to check, because he will bet when we're beat and check back when we beat him.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 338.41 BB
Hero (SB): 102.68 BB
BB: 109.02 BB
UTG: 189.48 BB
MP: 115.1 BB
CO: 129.13 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 8 J 3
Hero bets 12.35 BB, CO calls 12.35 BB

Turn: (49.7 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 24.55 BB, CO calls 24.55 BB

River: (98.8 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 53.78 BB and is all-in, CO calls 53.78 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows J A (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 50%, Flop 48%, Turn 50%)
CO shows A J (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 50%, Flop 52%, Turn 50%)
Hero wins 101.93 BB
CO wins 101.93 BB


H3: Vs unknown

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 170.22 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 109 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) T J 2
SB bets 2.85 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7.15 BB

Turn: (26 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 18.53 BB, SB calls 18.53 BB

River: (63.06 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 68.47 BB and is all-in, SB calls 68.47 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 9 Q (Straight, King High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)
SB shows Q A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 75%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)
SB wins 197.5 BB


H4: vs nit with a very high fold to 3-bet and very tight UTG opening range, he is kinda stationy. Good valuebet OTT? We're jamming most rivers, right? Mostly checking back on Q/J river? The thing here is that I'm repping sets for value, so the A is somewhat blank, if villain is smart, he will realize that and keep calling with his QQ/JJ/KK, but I get an idea that some guys see the ace and get super scared lol.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 137.42 BB
SB: 113.43 BB
BB: 182.07 BB
UTG: 103.74 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 2.3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.3 BB, fold, SB calls 1.8 BB, fold

Flop: (7.9 BB, 3 players) 9 8 3
SB checks, UTG bets 3.75 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 8.25 BB

Turn: (31.9 BB, 2 players) A
UTG checks, Hero bets 22.73 BB, fold

Hero wins 30.3 BB

H5: vs reg, good value raise/sizing OTT?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 435.53 BB
Hero (SB): 101.3 BB
BB: 206.98 BB
UTG: 57.7 BB
MP: 104.5 BB
CO: 133.75 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) Q 2 7
Hero checks, MP bets 1.88 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, MP calls 4.12 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 17.1 BB, fold

Hero wins 17.1 BB


H6: vs huge nit(9/5 guy) + whale, good?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 22.17 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 104.36 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 380.73 BB
CO: 121.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 5

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 9 Q 8
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.51 BB, BTN raises to 19.17 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 101.36 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 92.49 BB and is all-in

Turn: (222.67 BB, 3 players) 8

River: (222.67 BB, 3 players) 5

Hero shows 7 5 (Two Pair, Eights and Fives)

Main Pot [67.01 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 47%, Turn 24%)
Side Pot#1 [155.66 BB]: (Pre 24%, Flop 49%, Turn 26%)

UTG shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Eights)

Main Pot [67.01 BB]: (Pre 62%, Flop 35%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot#1 [155.66 BB]: (Pre 76%, Flop 51%, Turn 74%)

BTN shows Q J (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)

Main Pot [67.01 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 18%, Turn 12%)

UTG wins 220.17 BB


H7: vs 18 vpip reg that I had a not on that said "semi-bluffed OTF and OTT, but gave up on a good river". Std fold, right? Even B vs B and my hearts blocker is kinda not so much relevant.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 66.98 BB
SB: 118.83 BB
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 128.11 BB
MP: 91.31 BB
CO: 218.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 2 7 4
SB bets 1.5 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, SB calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 9.98 BB, SB calls 9.98 BB

River: (33.96 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 24.2 BB, SB raises to 101.85 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 79.86 BB
01-24-2018 , 03:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Vs a strong opponent that is valuebetting as thin as AK/AJ for that sizing and has a bluffing range on that spot that is balanced, it's a crime to just call with TT there because villain wouldn't be punished when putting pressure on our SDV hands that want to see showdown. Vs someone that is competent, I'm always x/jamming there.

But against someone that is only betting value and is capable of folding the bottom of his value range, x/jamming is terrible. I've made way tougher folds than AQ in villain's shoes, even though I'm viewed as a bluff monkey, I can see people laying down hands as strong as AQ there vs me. If villain is folding all his AQ, the EV of the jam is worse than folding to his bet.

Why don't you get it in pre-flop with QQ vs a 9/5 nit? Because he just has it all the time. The concept is the same here: vs very tight opponents, we should be careful with how much we fight for the pot and face resistance, because we will be valueowning ourselves a ton.

I didn't make this check-call because I'm scared, I've made it because I thought he wouldn't call with worse enough of the time. From what I've found, adapting to those nits is the key factor in beating 50z-100z, they're the most common type of player and we can't afford to lose those extra 70bbs and say "oh, it was a cooler".

I really do my best to punish people that think I'm a super aggro monkey, but it was really too thin this time imo.

If they think your a super aggro monkey then the entire player pool should snap you in that spot with AQ. if you try and be a super aggro monkey yet are scared to jam second nuts for 70bb then whats the point? Whats your jam range look like? Just stupid bluffs and nuts? Don't kid yourself, flatting in this spot is scared money and nothing else. You are only beat by QQ. You think he folds AQ there just because you do? Do you know what frequency if ever he folds? Did you ask him? Why are you playing super aggro 100z with 25 buy ins?
01-24-2018 , 05:38 PM
Bankroll is probably around $2700

Ran really well today, played well!

Some hands

H1: vs nit that hates to fold vs me, he was the same guy that got it in with 9T on a 3-bet pot. The ownage is real lol! I love when people get punished from being stationy vs me. Back in 25z when I was playing like a ****** I used to hate those guys, now I'm quite comfortable playing against them.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.06 BB
SB: 91.7 BB
Hero (BB): 103.51 BB
UTG: 104.08 BB
MP: 93.34 BB
CO: 103.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.58 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.58 BB

Flop: (5.66 BB, 2 players) 8 J 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.82 BB, Hero calls 3.82 BB

Turn: (13.3 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.97 BB, Hero calls 8.97 BB

River: (31.24 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 17.21 BB, Hero raises to 88.14 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 70.48 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 8 A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 68%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)
BTN shows J 8 (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 32%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 204.12 BB



H2: vs nit, so good to see nits tilting like crazy because of me lol!

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 86.15 BB
MP: 135.56 BB
CO: 113.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, SB raises to 100 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 75 BB and is all-in

Flop: (203 BB, 2 players) K 4 Q

Turn: (203 BB, 2 players) J

River: (203 BB, 2 players) 6
Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (203 BB, 2 players) J K K

Turn #2: (203 BB, 2 players) 7

River #2: (203 BB, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:
SB shows T Q (One Pair, Queens)

Board #1 Main Pot [203 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 22%, Turn 18%) (One Pair, Kings)

Board #2 Main Pot [203 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 17%, Turn 8%)

Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)

Board #1 Main Pot [203 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 78%, Turn 82%) (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)

Board #2 Main Pot [203 BB]: (Pre 83%, Flop 83%, Turn 92%)

Hero wins 100.25 BB
Hero wins 100.25 BB



H3: vs fish, loved about how I played this one, specially OTR with the massive overshove

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 95.05 BB
BB: 187.51 BB
UTG: 129.31 BB
MP: 256.28 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 2 7 9
MP checks, Hero bets 4.69 BB, MP calls 4.69 BB

Turn: (18.88 BB, 2 players) Q
MP checks, Hero bets 13.46 BB, MP calls 13.46 BB

River: (45.8 BB, 2 players) 6
MP checks, Hero bets 77.85 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.85 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows J 9 (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 48%, Turn 30%)
MP shows K Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 63%, Flop 52%, Turn 70%)
Hero wins 199 BB



H4: vs brazillian reg, lol. I get the idea that players from brazil are either nits or whales lol. Good bluff OTR? Float OTF is quite std imo, we could opt for a check OTT, we have some SDV with out Q/J outs and some good rivers to bluff too.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.4 BB
SB: 250.98 BB
BB: 220.61 BB
UTG: 268.31 BB
Hero (MP): 108.73 BB
CO: 26.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 4 T 4
SB checks, Hero bets 1.77 BB, SB raises to 8.44 BB, Hero calls 6.67 BB

Turn: (22.52 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 16.04 BB, SB calls 16.04 BB

River: (54.6 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 39.08 BB, fold

Hero wins 52.1 BB


H5: vs unknown, probably a fish, good jam OTR? Flop cbet is kinds bad, but I think he has some A high that will fold.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 131.32 BB
Hero (BB): 102.56 BB
UTG: 100.58 BB
MP: 141.14 BB
CO: 72.98 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, CO calls 12 BB

Flop: (33.5 BB, 2 players) 6 7 3
Hero bets 10.53 BB, CO calls 10.53 BB

Turn: (54.56 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (54.56 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 77.03 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 52.06 BB


H6: vs nit reg, good fold? I can't even imagine what he could be bluffing with OTR, also flop call is kinda optimistic, but maybe he has a chance of spazzing out a bit there, that's why I called. Vs huge nits I prefer folding the flop.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.38 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 120.72 BB
UTG: 596.05 BB
MP: 120.17 BB
CO: 111.69 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, MP calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) Q 4 7
Hero bets 6.6 BB, MP raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

Turn: (59 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (59 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP bets 91.17 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 56.5 BB


H7: vs nit that is stationy OTT/OTR but folds a ton OTF, he has almost 0 raise OTF/OTT. Good bet-fold OTR?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 103.7 BB
UTG: 84.45 BB
MP: 166.37 BB
CO: 93.67 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) K 3 9
BB checks, Hero bets 1.61 BB, BB calls 1.61 BB

Turn: (8.36 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 5.96 BB, BB calls 5.96 BB

River: (20.28 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets 14.45 BB, BB raises to 45.86 BB, fold

BB wins 46.72 BB


H8: I don't know if blocking the straight flush is a thing, but went for it with my FH blocker.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.51 BB
SB: 107.5 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 204.22 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 177.54 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 4 4 5
SB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) 7
SB bets 2.85 BB, Hero calls 2.85 BB

River: (9.7 BB, 2 players) A
SB bets 6.92 BB, Hero raises to 29.98 BB, fold

Hero wins 22.36 BB
01-24-2018 , 07:45 PM
H1. You were the one actually being the station. Calling 70% turn from a nit with 3rd pair. Then you suckout, and xj river vs a nit, where you lose to a lot more hands, than you did when you xc the set of TTs vs AQ, previously. The hand he called with was the only one you literally beat. Like I keep saying you are all over the place.

H5. I flat Kqo in those spots. Not interested in playing a big pot vs utg range, its a perfect spot to just value own yourself.

H8, why are you not raising flop? not interested in building the pot for value?

Last edited by mirage01; 01-24-2018 at 07:59 PM.
01-24-2018 , 07:49 PM
What is ur wwsf?

H1 fold turn and riv is overplay
01-24-2018 , 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
What is ur wwsf?

H1 fold turn and riv is overplay
48 in the last 120k hands, 50% this month

yeah, turn is a fold, sometimes I make some spewy calls on small pots. vs a gto opponent is it a call?
01-25-2018 , 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
48 in the last 120k hands, 50% this month

yeah, turn is a fold, sometimes I make some spewy calls on small pots. vs a gto opponent is it a call?
no and fwiw i use to play 100% like you -- no fear, dont want to fold and trying to win *every* pot. I honestly think its an OK way to start out because u start out too passive, go to too aggro, and then hopefully find the middle ground

wwsf is good, but for how aggrotard u are im surprised its not higher.
01-25-2018 , 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
no and fwiw i use to play 100% like you -- no fear, dont want to fold and trying to win *every* pot. I honestly think its an OK way to start out because u start out too passive, go to too aggro, and then hopefully find the middle ground

wwsf is good, but for how aggrotard u are im surprised its not higher.
I'm not trying to win every pot, sometime ago I was doing that, but it's just dumb and I realized that. What I'm doing now is fighting and bullying people who aren't paying attention/don't care, like weaktight fish and 4-tabling nit regs that are setmining every time and folding on every flop they don't hit.

WWSF is quite high for a normal vpip, but it's actually insane high because I play with 31 VPIP, to have a 50 wwsf stat while playing garbage like 72o is really hard. With tigher pre-flop ranges it would be much higher.

Right now I'm trying to find the middle ground and I think I found it, I've always went from very aggro to very nitty trying to find that sweet spot where people won't be able to overfold easily vs me and will still need to make some calls.

The key point in that is that I realized that small pots are way more important than big ones. People don't care about losing a 5bb pot, but they fight until their death in 200bb ones. Back in the beginning of the last year I was trying to make very ambitious bluffs, trying to make people fold 2-pairs+. Right now I'm more focused on making them lay down their K high, bottom pairs, maybe TPWK. Also I realized that some nits are adjusting vs me in a very poor way: they overfold in small pots, expecting me to blast it off in a big pot and take my money.

So they overfold OTF and never fold OTT/OTR, which gives me a really strong advantage if I'm playing properly(ofc I'll loose a ton of money if I take a bad approach vs them, like trying to bluff them).

Just as an example, look in the H6, where I had AA and villain probably had 65s, let's imagine I had AQdd there. He raised the flop as a bluff, when he got his straight, he checked back giving me equity rather than shoving, expecting me to bluff a ton of my range into his nuts(because I'm aggrolol). If he had jammed the turn, I had to call, since I dominated his bluffs and that was one of my best hands vs his value range. But he decided to just check back and give me free equity, and he wasn't folding if I had just jammed the river.

Basically he let me draw for free and gave him a chance of going busto when I hit. While in that example it doesn't affect my wwsf at all, it increases my EV by crazy amounts.

Now look at this different scenario:

villain opens from BTN, I flat from BB with AsTo, board is Q22ss, he makes it 33%, he has KQ. I call, turn is a blank 6, villain checks to induce my bluffs OTR and will call all rivers. He basically decided not to deny my equity and get value from my worse hands to "get value from my bluffs". Guess what, if I'm never bluffing him(which is probably what I'm doing, since I know he is a station and will never fold), he will give me 12% chance to outdraw him for free, and the worst part is that he will call when I hit my ace. Basically a ton of people are adapting like that vs me, which is just bad.

Back then in 25z I was really ******ed and fell for tricks like that, so the game became way easy for regs that were adapting by making tactics like that, which work only vs huge aggrofish. In this spot I gained some WWSF for free also.

Basically we can divide people in 100z in 3 types of players:

1)Players that don't care/don't fight
2)Players that are super stationy and that are playing super explo strats expecting me to bluff my money like a monkey
3)Solid players that play their ranges well and put me into tough spots

Guess which of those are harder to play against?

And to make it even worse for those guys, there's hands like H1, which is an "overplay". TBH I overdid on that hand, but vs that player I'm really fine doing that, since he can have AQ/AK that will call the river. It was an exploitative valuebet, since I expected villain to make very exploitative calls, like with TPTK/TPGK. I've become really good into making those kind of plays because some guys out there are calling me really light, and when I saw guys calling my triple barrels with bottom pair/A high, I learned very quickly to valuebet insanely thin. Which makes the game like a nightmare for opponents that are playing like that vs me.

I also learned to hold myself to not overbluff in spots where my value range is really narrow too, so I basically only bluff with perfect blockers in those spots vs those guys.

Aggrotards are the biggest enemies of nits, and I've learned pretty well about how to deal with those nits that are stationing me like crazy. The most inreresting thing is that I'm capable of even outnitting the nits lol. Just see how many hero folds I've made, they're basically never getting value with their good hands and are always getting valueowned.

I think my strat is going really well vs the pool, but I still have a lot to learn, specially as the pre-flop caller, like when calling 3-bets/steals. It's a part of my game that is very primitive/random.
01-25-2018 , 02:13 PM
Are u disconneceted or something from the planet earth?
U know how stupid u sound. Everyday some rambling about how bad
Everyone is and how u know how to beat. Still bankroll oh same same same same same.
U suck! And u must be kind of slow that still havent figure out u play micros
And got no clue what ur talking about.
01-25-2018 , 02:24 PM
some of what he says is actually sound strategy, like the part about thin value bets against people who are calling too wide on the river

you shouldn't focus TOO much on blockers when you have the betting lead btw and start bluffing bottom of your range moreso then any good blocker, if you start overbluffing with blockers then you have to give up hands that have 0 showdown value and should be bluffs, you just end up reducing the EV of your range play
01-25-2018 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vo2Max
Are u disconneceted or something from the planet earth?
U know how stupid u sound. Everyday some rambling about how bad
Everyone is and how u know how to beat. Still bankroll oh same same same same same.
U suck! And u must be kind of slow that still havent figure out u play micros
And got no clue what ur talking about.
Lol this was so random. I am giggling like a school girl in my office
01-25-2018 , 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vo2Max
Are u disconneceted or something from the planet earth?
U know how stupid u sound. Everyday some rambling about how bad
Everyone is and how u know how to beat. Still bankroll oh same same same same same.
U suck! And u must be kind of slow that still havent figure out u play micros
And got no clue what ur talking about.
GOAT post
01-25-2018 , 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avaritia
Lol this was so random. I am giggling like a school girl in my office
Vo2Max's posts are always A+, only quality stuff lol
01-25-2018 , 06:36 PM
Played a small session, here are 2 interesting hands

H1: first exploitative call by me in a long time, I usually just fold the turn/river, but the guy was opening 60%, very aggro on all streets and I thought he wouldn't be valuebetting thin enough for me to fold this. Good with those reads? The ace is a card people love to barrel on too.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 48 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 102.5 BB
UTG: 48.16 BB
MP: 301.98 BB
CO: 98.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 4 7 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.87 BB, Hero calls 2.87 BB

Turn: (10.24 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

River: (24.24 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.5 BB, Hero calls 18.5 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 6 8 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 38%, Flop 22%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 7 8 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 62%, Flop 78%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 58.74 BB



H2: after making a hero call I got confident and made this terrible one OTR. Meh, it's so hard to make exploitative plays that are completely different in the same session, one right after another. Easy fold OTR vs fish right?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 153 BB
SB: 170.93 BB
BB: 183.07 BB
UTG: 121.22 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 449.06 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (6.96 BB, 3 players) 5 A A
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 2.32 BB, SB calls 2.32 BB, fold

Turn: (11.6 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (23.6 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Spoiler:
SB shows 6 8 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 49%, Turn 75%)
Hero mucks Q K (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 61%, Flop 51%, Turn 25%)
SB wins 49.1 BB

      
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