HE CALLED A RAISE WITH KING QUEEN HONEY!

It was an aggressive call.

These days, people include rakeback in their win rate to show they are "beating" the games. 10-15 years ago, rakeback was simply an added bonus on top of an already comfortable win rate. Now rakeback is absolutely essential for most regs to stay in the game.

It's just dumb to not include RB into your win rate.

For example: If a person is making 4bb/100 when playing 500 hands/hour, but only 2bb/100 when playing 900 hands/hour, you would tell that person to only play 500 hands/hour, even though he might be getting 3bb/100 rakeback, which would make 900 hands/hr much more profitable. That's not the right approach.

RB is a part of your income. PS has only 4.5% rake and offers close to no RB, while most other sites have 5-7% rake and offer ~30% rakeback. It's all pretty similar. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is how much money you make.

american regs don't earn rakeback

bunch of people did 2x or 3x SNE back in the day which was like over 200k in rakeback, mostofthem were break even ish in their games, obv they beat the games

So pre rb b/e SNE elite regs were meeeeh because they didn't have winrate pre rb ? even with multiple SN it was significant money so I don't see your point
Tell me how many regs earn 10k+/month nowadays.
Dude what you're talking about

Edit: said almost the same as above but we posted at the same time

My god, but it doesn't impact std dev. When someone talks about their biggest downswing they don't include ****** rakeback.

with rb your winrate will be higher, and thereforr swings will be smaller

Wow had no idea...

BTR, you should read the last three posts again. Two of which, are your own.

It's really fun watching you guys argue over semantics about something that doesn't matter.

BTR is kind of right though. Rakeback reduces the variance quite a bit and not only because it gives you a higher win rate.

If you play with 100% rakeback, the variance is lower compared to playing with 0% rake. So it's inaccurate to apply std dev to a win rate with rakeback.

I actually rate ZKesic really highly, his posts in the theory forum are great. But this thread still tilts me:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url...1&share_type=t

I understand what you're saying but it being inaccurate isn't the same as it not mattering or making a difference.

When someone says they had a 20bi ds they don't subtract rakeback.

Gotta agree with this, this discussion is useless and makes 0 sense lol

As part of your income sure, but quoting it as part of your win rate is misleading.

If someone is -1bb/100, paying 5bb/100 in rake, with 0 rakeback, are they beating the games?

Technically they are. They are winning 4bb/100 against their opponents, but they have to give back 5bb/100 to the house.

The world is a raketrap. Zee-Kezich is the best player ITT apart from Xenoblade.

I wish I was you Zkesic. I cry at night thinking how superior to me your are on every plan. U even have a gf

Ended up playing today, so here is the final graph of the month



$4.2k roll

Played some hands very badly, session was quite tilting

Some hands

H1: vs unknown, no respect haha

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 105.7 BB
SB: 178.64 BB
BB: 180.14 BB
UTG: 163.1 BB
MP: 96.84 BB
CO: 156.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 2 6 6
CO checks, Hero bets 4.82 BB, CO raises to 14.68 BB, Hero calls 9.86 BB

Turn: (48.86 BB, 2 players) 8
CO bets 16.24 BB, Hero calls 16.24 BB

River: (81.34 BB, 2 players) A
CO bets 116.86 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65.78 BB and is all-in




H2: vs whale, he SNAP raised the river. Imo this guy is just bluffing OTF like crazy and I can't see wtf he could be bluffing with if these guys just bluff all their crap otf

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.9 BB
SB: 134.44 BB
Hero (BB): 126.24 BB
UTG: 656.3 BB
MP: 96.5 BB
CO: 533.36 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9 A 8
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 4.64 BB, BTN raises to 20 BB, fold

BTN wins 15 BB


H3: snap min-raise OTT, lol. I think I have 0 redraws in there and that he isn't bluffing ever

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 133.16 BB
SB: 107.68 BB
BB: 104.78 BB
UTG: 91.8 BB
MP: 66.54 BB
CO: 112.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 3 J 8
BB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.58 BB, BB calls 3.58 BB

Turn: (14.3 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 10.18 BB, BB raises to 20.36 BB, fold

BB wins 32.92 BB


H4: snap jam by whale, can't fold, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 196.28 BB
SB: 145.26 BB
BB: 98 BB
UTG: 52.02 BB
MP: 120.78 BB
CO: 102.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 5 A Q
CO bets 95.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 95.4 BB

Turn: (206.3 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (206.3 BB, 2 players) 8



H5: biggest spew of the day, I somehow leveled myself that he was valuebetting sets/2p for that sizing(which definitely could be the case), but I think he is just folding those, I'm getting called only by better here imo. Soooooo bad

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 97.5 BB
Hero (SB): 114.84 BB
BB: 152.96 BB
UTG: 109.54 BB
MP: 101.5 BB
CO: 269.98 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 6 4 K
Hero bets 1.48 BB, BB raises to 7.98 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (21.96 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BB bets 15.64 BB, Hero calls 15.64 BB

River: (53.24 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BB bets 15 BB, Hero raises to 88.22 BB and is all-in, BB calls 73.22 BB



H6: vs guy with a very high x/r %

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 127.02 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 235.08 BB
UTG: 95.68 BB
MP: 99.1 BB
CO: 243.68 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 9 2 A
Hero bets 1.48 BB, BB raises to 10.14 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, BB calls 13.86 BB

Turn: (54 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 73 BB and is all-in, BB calls 73 BB

River: (200 BB, 2 players) 7




H7: vs unknown, do you guys call here? I think it was a mistake, even though he snap x min-raised me, I think he is FOS a lot here, meh

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 384.74 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 107.62 BB
UTG: 105.74 BB
MP: 97 BB
Hero (CO): 107.98 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

UTG raises to 2.88 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.38 BB, 2 players) 8 2 8
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21.38 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (21.38 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets 15.24 BB, BB raises to 30.48 BB, fold

BB wins 49.26 BB


H8: vs one of the biggest nits in the pool lol, he had 0/18 3-bet vs BTN so far haha

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 131.14 BB
SB: 117.88 BB
BB: 199.18 BB
UTG: 116.14 BB
MP: 101.5 BB
CO: 115.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7.68 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) J A 5
BB bets 6.42 BB, Hero calls 6.42 BB

Turn: (33.34 BB, 2 players) 4
BB bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (79.34 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 159.76 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 91.72 BB and is all-in



H9: terrible call by me, I somehow leveled myself into calling because he could have AK, but I think he is just never bluffing here and he has more AJ combos than AK, meh. Maybe he is turning some pps into a bluff, but not sure if for that sizing

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.32 BB
Hero (SB): 166.08 BB
BB: 106.68 BB
UTG: 152.7 BB
MP: 436.84 BB
CO: 247.68 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, CO calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 5 K Q
Hero bets 5.68 BB, CO calls 5.68 BB

Turn: (34.36 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

River: (62.36 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets 29.62 BB, Hero calls 29.62 BB



H10: somewhat loose call vs x/r, but I like the rest

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 114.98 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 138.82 BB
UTG: 98.64 BB
MP: 272.44 BB
CO: 132.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 6 Q 8
BB checks, Hero bets 3.66 BB, BB raises to 12.82 BB, Hero calls 9.16 BB

Turn: (30.78 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 21.94 BB, BB calls 21.94 BB

River: (74.66 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 77.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 70.92 BB

gogo rapidesh! great results and sick winrate, lesssagoooo nl100!!!

I'm feeling generous so time for another review.


H1. Good to see you found some balls for once.

H2. And then lost them again. After 7 years you have still not worked out snap raises are usually fishy bluffs. Pathetic fold

H3. pathetic.

H4. Desevedly stacked.

H5. I dont really mind it, so naturally you call it your biggest spew when your hand history is full of bigger spews all the time.

H6. Why are you cbetting that hand vs someone who has a high xr? deservedly stacked.

H7. Why are you 3betting KTs vs utg? and then checking that flop? and then folding that river and getting owned stupid?

H8. Another example of your great reads with 'one of the biggest nits' playing like OTB against you, shows how little respect they have for your balls.

H9. Seems like a 50/50 spot.

H10. flop call isnt loose, but the bluff is ******ed.


Verdict. Its amazing how you never seem to get any better.

lol

Thanks haha! Running very well obv, it's easy to play well while flopping sets all day/flushes getting there, let"s see how I will play when bad variance comes. Can't wait for when that time comes so I can prove to myself that I can finally play well while running bad!

100z soon! I really want to play at 100z today but I will stay disciplined and take shots with a $5k roll.

Also I've made a challenge with one friend of mine 3 months ago that if I managed to get a $10k roll by april 15th I would cashout $500 and travel to sao paulo and party pretty hard for 1 week. But I will manage to get to that number only with a miracle and obv won't force it with bad brm. If I had been wiser with my roll and had listened to people and dropped down to 50z earlier things would be way different now.

It's interesting how our decisions in life affect us in the future, gotta be careful with those and take always good choices. I can't go back in time but I can do my best in the present so I will have a better future.

Vaaaaamoooo

It's funny how off you are with your analysis, H1 is a very ******ed call by me vs a thinking player but I did it because fish often spazz any2 otf and won't give up many bluffs in that runnout

At the same time you sat KTs is a bad 3bet ip vs utg lol

And h10 call otf is very marginal, most of the EV we make with that call comes when we bluff in those runnouts, not when we hit with that hand

And even nits tilt, like you tilted vs that "superuser"(whale) and got deservedly stacked haha

lul