Because the whole discussion was about downswings... you can't include rakeback when talking about your biggest downswing.
These days, people include rakeback in their win rate to show they are "beating" the games. 10-15 years ago, rakeback was simply an added bonus on top of an already comfortable win rate. Now rakeback is absolutely essential for most regs to stay in the game.
These days, people include rakeback in their win rate to show they are "beating" the games. 10-15 years ago, rakeback was simply an added bonus on top of an already comfortable win rate. Now rakeback is absolutely essential for most regs to stay in the game.
It's just dumb to not include RB into your win rate.
For example: If a person is making 4bb/100 when playing 500 hands/hour, but only 2bb/100 when playing 900 hands/hour, you would tell that person to only play 500 hands/hour, even though he might be getting 3bb/100 rakeback, which would make 900 hands/hr much more profitable. That's not the right approach.
RB is a part of your income. PS has only 4.5% rake and offers close to no RB, while most other sites have 5-7% rake and offer ~30% rakeback. It's all pretty similar. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is how much money you make.
These days, people include rakeback in their win rate to show they are "beating" the games. 10-15 years ago, rakeback was simply an added bonus on top of an already comfortable win rate. Now rakeback is absolutely essential for most regs to stay in the game.
bunch of people did 2x or 3x SNE back in the day which was like over 200k in rakeback, mostofthem were break even ish in their games, obv they beat the games
These days, people include rakeback in their win rate to show they are "beating" the games. 10-15 years ago, rakeback was simply an added bonus on top of an already comfortable win rate. Now rakeback is absolutely essential for most regs to stay in the game.
So pre rb b/e SNE elite regs were meeeeh because they didn't have winrate pre rb ? even with multiple SN it was significant money so I don't see your point
Tell me how many regs earn 10k+/month nowadays.
Dude what you're talking about
Edit: said almost the same as above but we posted at the same time
It's just dumb to not include RB into your win rate.
For example: If a person is making 4bb/100 when playing 500 hands/hour, but only 2bb/100 when playing 900 hands/hour, you would tell that person to only play 500 hands/hour, even though he might be getting 3bb/100 rakeback, which would make 900 hands/hr much more profitable. That's not the right approach.
RB is a part of your income. PS has only 4.5% rake and offers close to no RB, while most other sites have 5-7% rake and offer ~30% rakeback. It's all pretty similar. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is how much money you make.
My god, but it doesn't impact std dev. When someone talks about their biggest downswing they don't include ****** rakeback.
BTR, you should read the last three posts again. Two of which, are your own.
It's really fun watching you guys argue over semantics about something that doesn't matter.
BTR is kind of right though. Rakeback reduces the variance quite a bit and not only because it gives you a higher win rate.
If you play with 100% rakeback, the variance is lower compared to playing with 0% rake. So it's inaccurate to apply std dev to a win rate with rakeback.
It's just dumb to not include RB into your win rate.
For example: If a person is making 4bb/100 when playing 500 hands/hour, but only 2bb/100 when playing 900 hands/hour, you would tell that person to only play 500 hands/hour, even though he might be getting 3bb/100 rakeback, which would make 900 hands/hr much more profitable. That's not the right approach.
RB is a part of your income. PS has only 4.5% rake and offers close to no RB, while most other sites have 5-7% rake and offer ~30% rakeback. It's all pretty similar. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is how much money you make.
As part of your income sure, but quoting it as part of your win rate is misleading.
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
bunch of people did 2x or 3x SNE back in the day which was like over 200k in rakeback, mostofthem were break even ish in their games, obv they beat the games
If someone is -1bb/100, paying 5bb/100 in rake, with 0 rakeback, are they beating the games?
Technically they are. They are winning 4bb/100 against their opponents, but they have to give back 5bb/100 to the house.
H2: vs whale, he SNAP raised the river. Imo this guy is just bluffing OTF like crazy and I can't see wtf he could be bluffing with if these guys just bluff all their crap otf
fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5 BB
Flop:(15.5 BB, 2 players) 5 A Q CO bets 95.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 95.4 BB
Turn:(206.3 BB, 2 players) 9
River:(206.3 BB, 2 players) 8
Spoiler:
CO shows A J (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 68%, Flop 81%, Turn 90%) Hero shows T A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 19%, Turn 10%) CO wins 202.3 BB
H5: biggest spew of the day, I somehow leveled myself that he was valuebetting sets/2p for that sizing(which definitely could be the case), but I think he is just folding those, I'm getting called only by better here imo. Soooooo bad
H9: terrible call by me, I somehow leveled myself into calling because he could have AK, but I think he is just never bluffing here and he has more AJ combos than AK, meh. Maybe he is turning some pps into a bluff, but not sure if for that sizing
H2. And then lost them again. After 7 years you have still not worked out snap raises are usually fishy bluffs. Pathetic fold
H3. pathetic.
H4. Desevedly stacked.
H5. I dont really mind it, so naturally you call it your biggest spew when your hand history is full of bigger spews all the time.
H6. Why are you cbetting that hand vs someone who has a high xr? deservedly stacked.
H7. Why are you 3betting KTs vs utg? and then checking that flop? and then folding that river and getting owned stupid?
H8. Another example of your great reads with 'one of the biggest nits' playing like OTB against you, shows how little respect they have for your balls.
H9. Seems like a 50/50 spot.
H10. flop call isnt loose, but the bluff is ******ed.
Verdict. Its amazing how you never seem to get any better.
gogo rapidesh! great results and sick winrate, lesssagoooo nl100!!!
Thanks haha! Running very well obv, it's easy to play well while flopping sets all day/flushes getting there, let"s see how I will play when bad variance comes. Can't wait for when that time comes so I can prove to myself that I can finally play well while running bad!
100z soon! I really want to play at 100z today but I will stay disciplined and take shots with a $5k roll.
Also I've made a challenge with one friend of mine 3 months ago that if I managed to get a $10k roll by april 15th I would cashout $500 and travel to sao paulo and party pretty hard for 1 week. But I will manage to get to that number only with a miracle and obv won't force it with bad brm. If I had been wiser with my roll and had listened to people and dropped down to 50z earlier things would be way different now.
It's interesting how our decisions in life affect us in the future, gotta be careful with those and take always good choices. I can't go back in time but I can do my best in the present so I will have a better future.
Vaaaaamoooo
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H2. And then lost them again. After 7 years you have still not worked out snap raises are usually fishy bluffs. Pathetic fold
H3. pathetic.
H4. Desevedly stacked.
H5. I dont really mind it, so naturally you call it your biggest spew when your hand history is full of bigger spews all the time.
H6. Why are you cbetting that hand vs someone who has a high xr? deservedly stacked.
H7. Why are you 3betting KTs vs utg? and then checking that flop? and then folding that river and getting owned stupid?
H8. Another example of your great reads with 'one of the biggest nits' playing like OTB against you, shows how little respect they have for your balls.
H9. Seems like a 50/50 spot.
H10. flop call isnt loose, but the bluff is ******ed.
Verdict. Its amazing how you never seem to get any better.
It's funny how off you are with your analysis, H1 is a very ******ed call by me vs a thinking player but I did it because fish often spazz any2 otf and won't give up many bluffs in that runnout
At the same time you sat KTs is a bad 3bet ip vs utg lol
And h10 call otf is very marginal, most of the EV we make with that call comes when we bluff in those runnouts, not when we hit with that hand
And even nits tilt, like you tilted vs that "superuser"(whale) and got deservedly stacked haha