Obviously the hands above are a small portion of what you are playing but they are value towning that ass all over the place. Especially the KJ vs KK hand. His 3 bet range could easily be any two pair on that board or 8 10. However, he could easily be 3 barreling with Ax of clubs or Q10, really it's not a bad call
BUT BUT!!! I think you need to re think your playing style and ask yourself if you are willing to check call all 3 streets with KJ why not just raise the flop and hope to get in or fold to shove. It's a glaring leak in your game. You could have bet folded the turn or set up a river shove you could easily rep the nuts here. I realize it's a small sample but you need to mix in some different plays even if you go broke and lose I won't let you check call like a pussy anymore. How many people are 3 barreling at 16NL anyways.
My other suggestion: find some money from your job or friends and start playing 50NL regularly, it's just as soft. There is no reason a grown man can't find the money to play 50NL even if it takes a month of saving.
BUT BUT!!! I think you need to re think your playing style and ask yourself if you are willing to check call all 3 streets with KJ why not just raise the flop and hope to get in or fold to shove.
what raising accomplishes? I'll fold worse hands/bluffs and only get called by better, man. If I have a decent history with someone and then decide to raise TPTK for value, then fine, but I'm not having more of that going on, since I stopped bluffing like crazy.
Obviously the hands above are a small portion of what you are playing but they are value towning that ass all over the place. Especially the KJ vs KK hand. His 3 bet range could easily be any two pair on that board or 8 10. However, he could easily be 3 barreling with Ax of clubs or Q10, really it's not a bad call
BUT BUT!!! I think you need to re think your playing style and ask yourself if you are willing to check call all 3 streets with KJ why not just raise the flop and hope to get in or fold to shove. It's a glaring leak in your game. You could have bet folded the turn or set up a river shove you could easily rep the nuts here. I realize it's a small sample but you need to mix in some different plays even if you go broke and lose I won't let you check call like a pussy anymore. How many people are 3 barreling at 16NL anyways.
My other suggestion: find some money from your job or friends and start playing 50NL regularly, it's just as soft. There is no reason a grown man can't find the money to play 50NL even if it takes a month of saving.
Tough love it is
^ I would not hear this advice. ^
Try to play less tables and do only poker when you are playing, no distractions at all, music as calm as possible, this really helps me out. When you feel like more focused, go ahead and open 2 more spots if you want.
Use 20% of your poker time for learning (at least).
Be humble as a poker player so you can learn more and be better, once I felt like the best player I could ever be, so I used to smoke weed while playing, listen to all kind of music, answering to Whatsapp, etc... However I realized that I was totally distracted because I felt like I could make it anyway, but no, eventually all of those badbeats appear and you feel like totally frustrated. What I did was solving the problem by putting my self on the tables as a beginner, so I should pay more attention to every single detail by things like this: I stopped smoking while playing because I can not afford losing a bit of concentration, also I stopped listening music, I played less tables (I open more if those more dont take my concentration away), I tried everything I could to have full focus on the game and to do everything for the better players dont kick me off easily.
Oi cara muito muito esforço, persistência e dedicação, nao desiste vc, ordem e progresso
what raising accomplishes? I'll fold worse hands/bluffs and only get called by better, man. If I have a decent history with someone and then decide to raise TPTK for value, then fine, but I'm not having more of that going on, since I stopped bluffing like crazy.
Woah. In my opinion, which means little, that's a draw heavy board for his 3 bet range Ax of clubs, 910 suited and 810 suited etc. he could easily have j10 or QJ.
You could get it in ahead on the flop a lot of times and if he has Queens kings or aces you obviously aren't folding.
I think we have found your problem...
Both of you guys obviously can't move to the next level. If Low stakes grinding for you guys is great then I'm happy for you. Enjoy boys
H5) i would ch/f river. Even though he has a wide range pre and he may be very agressive, usually they got it when they fire the last barrel (also the case for me). Be it an overpair for thin value, or be it the straights and sets etc. What do you think he is doing pre with hands like 76s - QJs? And 22-77 ?
H6) Tbh i dont think he is just calling QQ and AK pre, especially when he already tracked some hands of you. AQs makes sense, AQo prob also 4betting. I would call the turn all day long. You´re right with the sizing but still this could be a draw for sure. In those spots after flop got checked through i dont really care if there are 1 or 2 other guys in the pot, because you still take it down pretty often. Obviously it sucks when the river is a blank (no diamond) and he bets like any reasonable sizing. Imo it is a fold then.
H5) i would ch/f river. Even though he has a wide range pre and he may be very agressive, usually they got it when they fire the last barrel (also the case for me). Be it an overpair for thin value, or be it the straights and sets etc. What do you think he is doing pre with hands like 76s - QJs? And 22-77 ?
H6) Tbh i dont think he is just calling QQ and AK pre, especially when he already tracked some hands of you. AQs makes sense, AQo prob also 4betting. I would call the turn all day long. You´re right with the sizing but still this could be a draw for sure. In those spots after flop got checked through i dont really care if there are 1 or 2 other guys in the pot, because you still take it down pretty often. Obviously it sucks when the river is a blank (no diamond) and he bets like any reasonable sizing. Imo it is a fold then.
Yeah, gonna focus on giving more respect to people in those spots.
I think some people bluff until the turn but they give up a lot OTR.
thx for the help
Try to play less tables and do only poker when you are playing, no distractions at all, music as calm as possible, this really helps me out. When you feel like more focused, go ahead and open 2 more spots if you want.
Use 20% of your poker time for learning (at least).
Be humble as a poker player so you can learn more and be better, once I felt like the best player I could ever be, so I used to smoke weed while playing, listen to all kind of music, answering to Whatsapp, etc... However I realized that I was totally distracted because I felt like I could make it anyway, but no, eventually all of those badbeats appear and you feel like totally frustrated. What I did was solving the problem by putting my self on the tables as a beginner, so I should pay more attention to every single detail by things like this: I stopped smoking while playing because I can not afford losing a bit of concentration, also I stopped listening music, I played less tables (I open more if those more dont take my concentration away), I tried everything I could to have full focus on the game and to do everything for the better players dont kick me off easily.
Oi cara muito muito esforço, persistência e dedicação, nao desiste vc, ordem e progresso
*Still smoking weed but just before and/or after
sim fi, é isso ae mano, é tenso focar mesmo, mas meu problema é que não tenho muita disciplina no jogo, as vezes sei que tenho que foldar aí vou e tenho a idéia de dar um 4-bet ou dar call, é tenso.
Vlw ae fi, vo fazer o melhor pra ownar essa bagaça >D
Back to $200, sick day, had tons of coolers, tilted off 1 stack.
Still have more 22 days until this challenge goes less hardcore. Have to study some for the test, but will do it in the middle of the week. Will play tomorrow and sunday pretty hardcore, will try to force myself to play as much as I can and as well as I can.
Goal for this month is not to reach NL100 anymore, I think it's too unrealistic and I think I should focus more on being a consistent player, you can see by my overall graph that my game changed so much over the weeks I played. I'll focus on trying to get my **** together and start winning, playing decent poker, being disciplined.
I'm not disciplined while I'm playing, make tons of loose calls/3-bets/flop raises, check-raises OTR. Even if at some point I was doing somethings right, like in the beginning/middle of this thread, when I was taking shots at NL50. I can't play like that anymore, since at that time I had no reasons for my moves, I was just playing and doing what I thought it was right.
I think I know a good amount of theory in poker, know what to do in a lot of spots, but when it comes to execution I don't pay attention little details which could change the hand so much.
Also I thought I wouldn't play much poker after I go back home, but I'm really enjoying the game, will try to put as much volume as I can even at home. The tough part is that I'll have to work and study at the same time, which will leave me without much time to play poker. But will probably be able to play in average 1h/day if I use my free time only to go out with friends/play MTG.
It looks like a pretty miserable situation to be (in the poker world), like having the risk of going busto for 1 month straight and losing so much, dropping so many stakes so fast. But this kind of stuff just makes me focus more on improving and trying to beat the games. I'll keep doing my best to do it.
Back to $380!
Bankroll almost doubled in 1 day lol, variance is really sick.
Decided that I'll stay in NL16 until I'm sure about being a consistent player, I don't know how much it will take, but I think it's better to start things from scratch, understand my ranges, stop 3-betting K6o and then later having to fold 67s(because villains started 4-betting a lot). Also I think NL16 has way more bad players and random guys donating stacks than NL25.
H5) might be a good fold, but you´re really only crushed by 55. I think there is a chance that BB is overplaying K5s or has KTs as well? If you 3bet shove and GII you are probbably around 50-50 or 60-40 favorite against some kind of combo draw.
H5) might be a good fold, but you´re really only crushed by 55. I think there is a chance that BB is overplaying K5s or has KTs as well? If you 3bet shove and GII you are probbably around 50-50 or 60-40 favorite against some kind of combo draw.
The problem here is that I have to be right a ton of the time, if I flat the raise, then SB can profitably jam his draws, and call/fold is terrible IMO.
Also there's only 1 combo of KTs, 2 of K5s and 3.5 of sets(considering TT 3-bets 50%),
So I'm splitting once, winning twice and getting crushed 3.5 times.
If we both end against any flush draw and we have 2-pair, we're losing money.
If I'm against a set and a FD, crushed.
I think if I'm against a whale or someone who could be bluffing out of nowhere, like a maniac, then it would be fine to get it in right there. I can't see how a normal regular could raise that flop without a good combo draw or 2-pair+
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 04-10-2017 at 05:28 AM.
If everyone would go all-in OTF, this is my equity:
I need to call 100bbs in order to win 400, so I need 25% equity.
This equity if we call and SB decides to jam with all his draws, which is optmistic.
Now if we jam and SB only calls with his good combo draws/sets/KTs and BB does the same(adding his K5s to the mix), this is our EV when we go all-in:
Now if SB is donking a lot of weird stuff and is folding a ton and we consider that BB is the only one which is strong in that spot(considering he will raise-fold 50% of his range and call the other 50%), then our EV will be like this when called(this is the most optimistic scenario).
So half of the time we will win: 30bbs
Half of the time we will have a 40.7% EV in a 207bb pot = 84.41bb -97.7bb= -13.29
Our EV in that spot will be -6.6 + 15 = 8.4bb
But this is if BB is making this move 50% of the time, which I think it's just insane to think that this guy is randomly raising stuff vs an almost pot-sized donk, which shows a lot of strength, specially on such a wet board.
I prefer to take my 0 EV action and let this go rather than hope these guys are going nuts out of nowhere.
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 04-10-2017 at 05:58 AM.
I think you're giving them way too tight a range. The SB also makes it 2/3, not pot. There's just no way we can fold on the flop imo, seems crazy.
Neither player has TT/KK in their range so BB's value range is like 55, KT, K5s and T5s - of which we're only behind 3 combos of 55. BB also has a load of draws. SB's range is like some weaker Kx and draws. Vs both these ranges we have close to 40% equity. Easy call and getting it in on any non club turn more than likely.
The crucial point imo is how BB plays K5s and if SB is bad enough to show up with K5s?
Also it is still quite unlikely that you witness a 3way AI if you shove over the BB. Yes it looks strong from both players, but that does not mean their hand is strong enough to get all the money in on the flop.
Final Pot: $8.14
Hero shows T Q (a pair of Kings - Ace+Queen kicker)
Rapidesh123 shows 4 5 (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $7.77
(Rake: $0.37)
lol, I remember that hand. Since you had reggy stats I couldn't believe you made that call.
You're losing even to hands I'm turning into bluffs in that spot, like 22-44, even if I'm bluffing with almost all my SCs, QTs/QJs, you're getting owned even without considering how much AK/KK/AA/KQ/KJs/66 I'm betting here.
Btw, 5 hands later saw you stacking off 100bbs deep vs a fish with 77 and fish had 99, so, justice? haha!