NL25 is really hard, even NL10 is hard. When I started playing NL25, I was on a sick heater, so it was easy to think that people were bad.
People there can't be easily exploited, they adapt really fast, know how to bluffcatch, how to bluff well and valuebet pretty well.
OFC, probably 25% of the pool is those 30/10 limping regs who just wait for the nuts, but these guys aren't donating much money, also they take the seat of the bigger fish and stay there waiting for good hands, and when they hit, if you're tilted(or nor careful) you will get stacked.
You saw what those regs are capable of doing, imagine you cbetting that board and geting raised OTF and jammed OTT. Guy had ace high and pulled a move like that, in a pool where almost all raises in 3-bet pots mean sets/slowplayed overpairs.
Did you see my overall graph and the hands posted at the beginning of the thread? I had 200k hands of this super aggro-playstyle(+50k of going on monkeytilt mode in NL25)
And 50k of playing as a huge nit.
In some HH I posted here, people were calling my 3-bets with AQ, then the cbet, T cbet and river overshove for 150% of the pot with ace high lol.
there was a time when I was valuebetting so thinly that I started jamming TPWK OTR and getting called by worse a lot.
Every time I'm in the BTN and there's one reg(who isn't a nit) in the CO, and he takes some time thinking a lot about opening there or stealing my blind. I saw you pause for a little today, meowth, u acted fast, but some guys even time out lol.
Even reloadonsashagray made some moves against me lol.
Even me? lol u mofo I'm top tier micro end boss...
Nah 16z is very easy. There was this guy on reddit who won 100bi in 100k hands at 25z. I would say 90% of the hands you play at 25z are players that are not thinking much at all. And 10% against regulars that are not much better (mostly euro nits). This is my results at 25z although it is a small sample, I can tell you the players are very bad.
It takes a while for each individual to get to the point it feels easy though, personally it's took me 6 months to become very confident and a decent winner but yes once you know what you're doing it is very easy.
It takes a while for each individual to get to the point it feels easy though, personally it's took me 6 months to become very confident and a decent winner but yes once you know what you're doing it is very easy.
from what I see, people in there are struggling like me, they know strategy, but the tilt makes them break-even/losing players. I see a lot of guys make good plays, 3-bet SCs IP vs UTG opens, make very good folds, like folding overpairs when facing turn raises.
Then for some reason they go on full monkey tilt and make moves like those in the last page, losing the hard money they got by owning fish(and other tilted regs too).
Strategy is available for everyone in poker, in 1 year it's possible to learn the theory(my apprentice learned most poker concepts in 6 months when I taught him), but executing well your strategy is really hard.
from what I see, people in there are struggling like me, they know strategy, but the tilt makes them break-even/losing players. I see a lot of guys make good plays, 3-bet SCs IP vs UTG opens, make very good folds, like folding overpairs when facing turn raises.
Then for some reason they go on full monkey tilt and make moves like those in the last page, losing the hard money they got by owning fish(and other tilted regs too).
Strategy is available for everyone in poker, in 1 year it's possible to learn the theory(my apprentice learned most poker concepts in 6 months when I taught him), but executing well your strategy is really hard.
After 30k hands I can only name one regular that doesn't have ******ed stats like 15vpip or 70cbet flop. Maybe you are playing at the wrong times.
In some HH I posted here, people were calling my 3-bets with AQ, then the cbet, T cbet and river overshove for 150% of the pot with ace high lol.
there was a time when I was valuebetting so thinly that I started jamming TPWK OTR and getting called by worse a lot.
Every time I'm in the BTN and there's one reg(who isn't a nit) in the CO, and he takes some time thinking a lot about opening there or stealing my blind. I saw you pause for a little today, meowth, u acted fast, but some guys even time out lol.
Even reloadonsashagray made some moves against me lol.
1. People do stupid **** against everyone. Yes maybe regs are adjusting a bit to you, but I have people do weird stuff against me all the time. It's because micro regs suck.
2. Maybe you should be valuebetting thinly all the time?
3. I stack 8 tables of zoom mostly, so my timing is pretty random, but always v fast. I did 4bet you with AA though, and you folded so nh
You were representing a set/draw, wanted to get value off those.
OTR was inducing a shove from your missed diamond draws, maybe getting some value off your Txdd
Don't know if it was the right move OTR, don't know if you are able to bluff a lot there, but I'm valuebetting more since people are calling me with a lot of crap lol.
maybe should have folded, but had a super strong hand, you seem nitty but had a really low WSD in my HUD lol
Turn off suit 5 is the absolute gin card for you. Would be interesting to see what the action would be if turn and river were blanks eg. off suit J and K.
River:(100.75 BB, 2 players) Q Hero checks, CO bets 259.69 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 53 BB and is all-in
Spoiler:
CO shows T A (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 59%, Flop 15%, Turn 16%) Hero shows Q J (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 41%, Flop 85%, Turn 84%) Hero wins 197.44 BB
H2: for those who think people aren't overadapting, guy was 4-bet-shoving like crazy after we played some hands then I waited for a decent hand(yes, he was also 5-bet shoving too)
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.31 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 22 BB, BTN raises to 352.44 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 78 BB and is all-in
Flop:(201.5 BB, 2 players) 5 8 J
Turn:(201.5 BB, 2 players) 7
River:(201.5 BB, 2 players) 4 Players agreed to run it twice.
Flop #2:(201.5 BB, 2 players) K 4 2
Turn #2:(201.5 BB, 2 players) T
River #2:(201.5 BB, 2 players) 6
Spoiler:
Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings)
Board #1 (Pre 66%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
(Three of a Kind, Kings)
Board #2 (Pre 64%, Flop 63%, Turn 74%)
H5: called the turn to see if the river would pair the 4 so I could fold, but at the last second thought that villain could be doing this with AA(which I think it's wrong, but maybe they could do it)
River:(47.63 BB, 2 players) A SB bets 51.13 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 51.13 BB
Spoiler:
SB shows Q A (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 28%, Flop 21%, Turn 11%) Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 72%, Flop 79%, Turn 89%) SB wins 143.13 BB
H8: probably should x/f the river or jamming, check-calling is the worst option I guess, but I had hope people were floating me to make these moves on me lol
Regs at nl100 and nl200 still have very exploitable leaks, if you can't exploit nl25 regs you still have a lot to learn.
what I mean by easily exploited is that you can't take down the pot often with a cbet, sometimes they call with their pairs on scary cards, if you bluff a lot them are capable of adapting.
They're not playing a static strategy which I can go there and do whatever I want and keep exploiting them, that's what I'm saying. As an example: I mark people that are good to 3-bet light and start 3-betting them with ATC.
Back in NL10 in 2013, some guys would never adapt, they were playing a lot of tables and couldn't see that.
Now, people see that I'm doing it after like 5 times in a row.
Then they start calling the 3-bet and folding to the cbet
then they stop folding to the cbet, to the turn bet and are calling all the way with 55 in a KQ2r board lol
this is what I mean by "not being EASILY exploited".
the same goes with those guys who barrel a lot OTT so you can check-raise turns, those who double float a lot so you can bet-bet-check-raise the river. They adapt and stop doing git when they see you're doing stuff to them lol
I'm not saying that this kind of drooler is an excellent player, but he is adapting.
It's hard to get good hands pre-flop, like KK/AA/AK.
For me, exploiting by waiting to get good hands is a really slow kind way of exploiting, it's much easier to attack their wide ranges and expect they will do the "right move" and just fold them rather than play back at you, thinking you have a wide range too, which is actually the right move, but vs the player pool it isn't.
Rapidesh i think you need to stop thinking people are adapting to you, you're playing micro zoom & the pool is so large nobody you're playing with has enough of a sample to make any drastic adjustments. I think you need to just pick better spots to bluff, fold n value bet.
Calm_down can we hear about some of these very exploitable leaks these 100-200nl regs have?
Rapidesh i think you need to stop thinking people are adapting to you, you're playing micro zoom & the pool is so large nobody you're playing with has enough of a sample to make any drastic adjustments. I think you need to just pick better spots to bluff, fold n value bet.
All of that. People are ******ed. I know you're proud of your aggressive/******ed play(s) but your insistence of "he is adapting" is going to hinder your progress.
All of that. People are ******ed. I know you're proud of your aggressive/******ed play(s) but your insistence of "he is adapting" is going to hinder your progress.
yeah, true, it may happen way less than I think, so I'm overvaluing that effect
btw, back to $414
Yesterday reloadonsashagray gave me a sweat session where he taught me how to play solid, it was really good, my game was super exploitative and I didn't have any kind of consistency.
Also ran like god, will focus on playing the game he taught me as a solid consistent base, then adding my creative moves and trying my things in the spots I believe it's possible to do so.
in the first hands, where the red line is break-even is when the sweat session happened, later is when I started playing by myself adding some extra moves lol.
H1: vs the reg I was trolling in the chat the other day
River:(52.88 BB, 2 players) 8 UTG checks, Hero bets 74.31 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 74.31 BB
Spoiler:
Hero shows 2 2 (Full House, Twos full of Eights)
(Pre 52%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%) UTG shows J A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 48%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%) Hero wins 192.44 BB
H2: vs nit, he has no 9x/8x in his range and all pocket pairs, can't imagine he is doing this with TT-JJ, he only has 2 combos of quads for value here then.
H1: vs maniac, used to fold OTF, I know these guys are still betting the river with their Kx, but these guys do it with anything they have too, so wasn't folding lol.
H3: when reg called the fish's donk, thought he could never have me beat, so raised for value, OTT again, no value OTR though, since the reg was probably drawing and fish was super short stacked, could have raised more OTT to stack the fish though