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02-07-2012 , 12:37 AM
the challenge itself and the goals are vague.

ME:
i am an allround-player who feels at home in 8-game,
but i also like to play plo, badugi, 2-7td and stud8 straight.
beside that i play a few mixed-tournaments.


MY WAY:
i will deposit 650$ in a few days and start with a little bit different approach.
i am going to play whatever i feel like on any given day.
after i made a decision of what to play, i will open 2 tables (which is my standard),
and after buying in full, i will use self-exclusion for 12 hours.
since i usually tend to play bs when im down more than 2 buy-ins,
this is a very smart move. cutting down the losing-sessions early.
typically i will play 2 tables of 8-game, but "8-game + plo" or
"8-game + stud8" are also common combinations.
although "stud8 + omaha8" will be great for relaxed days,
and "2-7 + badugi" is nice for some action.


BANKROLL-MANAGMENT:
my bankroll-managment will be very aggressive, but well thought out.
untill my roll gets irreplaceable i will play with up to 20% of my roll per day,
and will use up to 10% as a fullstack for one table. (25BB at limit)
i will more often than not play lower than that,
but might even play higher if the circumstances demand that (replaceable circumstances, lol).


QUALITY AND QUANTITY:
i will only play poker when i finished whatever i have to do on each day.
this is very improtant for me, to not feel in a hurry.
work, my gf and sport, beside the fact that i just play 2 buy-ins per day,
will most likely cut my volume down to maybe 10k hands a month.


ALL OF THE ABOVE:
...is likely to change. there is nothing carved in stone,
and i might get more conservative when my roll gets bigger than 2k.




time to hit an lil' rungood.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-07-2012 at 12:53 AM.
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02-07-2012 , 05:06 PM
i have to wait for tomorrow till i can make the whole deposit,
cause my roll is on my bank-account where i need 3 days to get it.
today i will deposit 33$ and play three 11$ tournaments for a kickstart.
they start in a lil less than 2 hours:

5:50 - 11$ STUD8
6:25 - 11$ 8-GAME
6:40 - 11$ HORSE ($750 Gtd)

(american time)

my ROI in "other poker" MTTs is articulately over 100%.
sample is just a few hundred games , but playerpools are always small,
considerably lower than 100 on average.
my last overall 120 games im at 88% ROI,while these still including some losses at NLHE-MTTs.

if there where more games in the 22-55$ range id play a lot more touneys even with a bigger roll,
but the 22$ and 33$ level has very few tourneys scheduled,
50-100$ level of horse/8-game/stud8 mtt's does not exist on PS.
enough crying, time to eat and take a shower,
then win at least 2 of the 3 tourneys, haha.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-07-2012 at 05:20 PM.
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02-07-2012 , 09:15 PM
busted the stud8 after making a mistake for 300 chips and then being card-dead and bricking all playable hands on 4th.
lost my stack of 1300 in the 8-game during nlhe-round, my AA lost all-in on flop of 236 vs 222.

im still in the horse tourney, going strong with 9500 chips, more than double the average,
but its still early.
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02-07-2012 , 10:24 PM
have 30K in the horse tourney, 2/19 and 16 will be itm.
intending to ship it.
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02-07-2012 , 10:59 PM
3/6 with 38k, avg 44k, chipleader 112k. my stack is at 13 bigbets.
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02-08-2012 , 12:26 AM
i made second place for 151$.
last hand was omaha8 i flopped set queens with backdoor lowdraw on QK5, he had aces,
called my raise and hit A on turn, brick river. gg.
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02-08-2012 , 07:41 PM
i busted the 151$ playing 2 tables of 2/4$ 8-game.
was running like ****, losing a hand in stud where combo-draws didnt hit in a 4 way pot,
a PLO pot where a weaker FD wih no pair hits his OESD vs my TP+NFD,
and finally my 23458 pat OTT lost to the nuts (:1 OTT) in a big 2-7 pot.
didnt even blink because of that, i saw lots of shyt yet and losing like that doesnt bother me at all anymore. i took a shot and busted, thats business.
i will take a break till saturday or sunday, spending time with my gf and doing other stuff.
when i am back i will play 2 cash-tables or 1 cash + 1 mtt.
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02-09-2012 , 10:29 PM
i mincashed in the 33$ HORSE tourney earlier and am 4/19 in the 11$ HORSE now.
i have two tables of 8-game 1/2$ open, one at 180$ one at 230$ (50$ max buy-in).
i welcome the heater.


edit: both tables at 218$ now, will close them when i am at the finaltable in the horse.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-09-2012 at 10:57 PM.
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02-09-2012 , 11:06 PM
closed both cashtables with exactly 214$
won a huge lhe pot in the horse, 3/11 now, first is 282$.

edit: finaltable with nice new layout, 4/8 atm.
....
4/5, they drop like flies
.....
chipleader, 1/4
....
still chipleader 1/3 and we play RAZZ atm...zzzzzzz

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-09-2012 at 11:34 PM.
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02-09-2012 , 11:42 PM
donkey couldnt lay brick 4th and got his flush in stud, im crippled but more than 3rd.
looking like i make second place in this tourney twice in a row.

edit: yup, heads-up 1 to 6 dog in chips lol
....

at the break i have 64k he has 274k. i was at 120k for a moment then he outdrew my KK99 in stud8 with another flushy.
still fighting, hoping to not become second again, lol.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-09-2012 at 11:56 PM.
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02-10-2012 , 12:07 AM
i overplayed a hand in stud8 where i thought i was ahead for the high.
second place again, like two days ago. it got me 191$ and my account shows 639$.
i have about 400€ behind and finally am back to a four figure roll.
tomorrow(in fact already today) i will drive to my gf and hang out for 2-3 days.
i might play sunday evening.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-10-2012 at 12:19 AM.
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02-12-2012 , 10:06 PM
ive already been back home at saturday evening.
i fired up a 2/4$ 8-game table and won a bit more than a stack heads-up (lol, brm).
when i had 785$ on my account i couldnt resist to pay out 500€ and keep ~125$ online.
i proceeded to take da maneys in PLO deep and 8-game and got my roll to ~340$.

today i paid out 150€ and had about 140$ left on my account.
i played some micro-donkaments with a friend and dumped a few dollars.
then i played some PLO 50bb heads-up lost a stack and went to chase
at 25c/50c deep 6max with my whole online roll. i opened a new table,
and after about 30 hands of heads-up play i took most of opponents stack
who thought QQ is good on 61010 7 2 river.
i must admit that i had 3bet +35% (3bet or fold bigblind) and played got caught bluffing before.

now my account shows 211$ and 11-T$.
my offline roll is at 1050€ (~1375$).

i intend to grind 1/2$ 8-GAME and mixed-tourneys till the end of the month,
and go back to PLO HU 25c/50c (50bb) at the beginning of march if i havent yet made it to 2000$.
with 2k i will give myself a 700$ (7 full stacks) shot at 2/4$ 8-GAME and try to build a serious roll there.

monday is my off-day from poker and tuesday is valentines day.
i will get back into the action at wednesday, i guess.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-12-2012 at 10:12 PM.
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02-13-2012 , 05:25 AM
first besides u,lol. GL.
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02-14-2012 , 01:42 AM
ty

i got bored on my off-day and played my 11 T-$ in a horse-tourney.
i played really bad and busted early.

afterwards i went to work a bit with ev++pokertools
and i found out that a 12bb/100 winrate at 8-game,
which has an average standard deviation of 85bb (i made a few threads about that),
combined with 16 buy-ins has a risk of ruin of less than 0.5%.
not that i didnt know it/done it before,
but i helped me to get comfortable before sitting at 2/4$ today.
although im in a very good form and have an upswing on top of that,
which makes up for the perfect chance to start higher stakes regulary.

i fired up 2 8-game 2/4 tables with a big fish on both of them (both 5-6handed though)
i ended up winning a pot for stacks from the fish in PLO with nutstr8 on turn
where he fired a second barrel with naked NFD.
i took some smaller pots of him at the other table and when both tables broke,
i played an unknown heads-up at one table, cause he was on tilt and i was the reason.
he wasnt too bad, but i made some nice hands. won another ~70$ there.

finally i have played ~800 hands and won 210$.
i paid out 150€ again and kept 221$ online, because im gonna stay at 2/4,
but dont wanna risk more than ~200$ a day yet.

bankroll is at ~18 buy-ins.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-14-2012 at 01:48 AM.
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02-16-2012 , 06:25 PM
i busted my account today, lost ~160$ at 2/4$.
biggest hand was my 16-outer wrap on rainbow-flop.
with 689J i reraised the 5710r flop, didnt hit and lost the 260$ pot vs a set. thats omaha poker.
in retrospective, i think i should have just called the raise on flop (and c/c OOT),
not because thats the better play, but because its lower variance
which is better during the PLO-round when playing with just about 18 buy-ins.
nevermind, if i had shipped that pot i would most likely have made it to 2k today,
which would have fastend my process (my mental ability to play 2/4) a lot.

then i lost the last ~50$ playing 25c/50c plo hu 50bb.
i went up to 93$ before this hand happend:
btn raises, i 3bet to 4,50, he 4-bet to 7.50$ like an idiot.
i had AA104ss and obv 5bet pot to 22.50$.
he flats and has 36$ behind in a 45$ pot.
flop is 1073r, i shove it oop and he calls with his 10762ss... nice hand wp etc.

my roll is at 1150€ (offline) now. means about 1505$.
i just set back my limit-restrictions to 1/2$ limit and 25c/50c nl/pl
and intend to grind 1/2$ till the end of the month. maybe mixin' in a few tourneys.
my goal is to get over 2000$ till march then grind 2/4$ again.
if i dont make it or get close to it, i will take a 250$(10 buy-in) shot at 25c/50c plo hu 50bb
at the beginning of march and hope to just swing over 2k (im a marginal winner at plo hu).
if i lose 250$ i will replace half of that with my loan and keep on grinding 1/2$.

i have lots of stuff to do tomorrow and will most likely not play till saturday.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-16-2012 at 06:42 PM.
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02-16-2012 , 11:14 PM
after thinking about playing 1/2$ again, i didnt feel to good about it.
stepping down one limit in cashgames sucks and i, more than once,
ended up going on ape**** monkey tilt if things ($) didnt directly go my way.

now i decided to only play tournaments for a few days, maybe even till march.
here is the schedule of the tournaments that i will play exclusively (2+2 time):


8:40h 11$ 8-GAME

9:25h 16.50$ HORSE ($1K)

10:40h 27.50$ HORSE KNOCKOUT

11:40h 11$ 8-GAME

00:40h 22$ 8-GAME

1:40h 11$ 8-GAME

3:40h 33$ HORSE ($1.5K)


i dont intend to play the full schedule, but 4-5 games a day sounds reasonable.
3-tabling mixed-games tourneys works well for me and i will add a 4th game
when im very short in one or two of the running ones.

the average buy-in is ~19$ (got 78 buy-ins), but the average fieldsize is only ~35 players.
on account of this im looking forward to have some deep runs and final tables, hehe.
although pay-outs are quite top-heavy, which is great for the game.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-16-2012 at 11:27 PM.
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02-17-2012 , 05:22 AM
Tourneys are very enjoyable imo glgl
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02-17-2012 , 10:03 PM
i lost a 25€ deposit by losing 3 flips in some micro-nlhe-tourneys,
then another two 3.50$ HU hypers, one with a flip one with AJ<AT. hasard...
i know its ridiculously superstitious, but it feels like i ran out my bad luck at micros .
after messing up my sleeping schedule i didnt feel like serious play.

i might play some earlier mixed-tourneys today, because im awake at an odd time.
first one could be the 33$ HORSE (standard-blindlevels) in 3 and a half hours.
the schedule is full of turbos at this time and im not a big fan of them,
never the less i think i will play at least 1 or 2 standards and maybe add a turbo.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-17-2012 at 10:11 PM.
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02-18-2012 , 12:30 AM
made up my schedule for the day, starting in less than an hour:

00:25h 11$ 8-GAME

00:40h 33$ HORSE ($500)

2:40h 11$ 8-GAME TURBO

3:40h 11$ HORSE
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02-18-2012 , 01:18 AM
im already in the 11:50h 22$ STUD8 (250$), already have 5400 chips there.
might get a bit challenging when one or two of them(stud8, 8-game and horse) get a bit shorthanded.
happens fast with such small starting-fields, but im fresh and sure to bink one.

edit:
the 11$ 8game started with 5 players at the final table...
funny thing is 3 players will be itm.
.....
33$ HORSE got cancelled, **** it.
8-game looks no good yet with 1000 chips,
stud8 at 5000 chips

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-18-2012 at 01:43 AM.
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02-18-2012 , 01:51 AM
going to play the 10.20$ omaha 6max hyper with 3000 chips 3min blinds and ante from the start.
if they wont let me grind the horse, im just gonna gamble.

edit:
lost the 8game with AJ vs J10s preflop all-in, i called btn shove.
flop 789....
stud8 up to 6.4k again,
lost the plo with second nutflush flopped, tough day.

**** this goddamn ****. run like last ******* **** in the stud8 now, down to 2600. have to breath deeeep....

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-18-2012 at 02:16 AM.
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02-18-2012 , 02:24 AM
.. overplayed low 2pair, and lower pair and lowdraw made aces up.

going to reg for every micro-mtt now with ~25$ left.
im only going to play tourneys till sunday included.
if im down then, ill grind 1/2$ instead.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-18-2012 at 02:29 AM.
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02-18-2012 , 02:41 AM
im in the big 3.30$ (6K), an 5.50$ rebuy LO8 and a 4.40$ PLO fullring.
i will only update if i make a finaltable, otherwise ill bust in silence.
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02-18-2012 , 09:18 AM
i made up a plan for the the next time.
first of all, my goal is to play 1000 hands of 1/2$ 8-game cash on sunday.
if i see a big fish at 2/4$ i will, despite all my hate for it, buy-in for 10 bigbets only.

after running extremely hot in the first place, then losing literally every flip
and running 50/50 in my 80/20 and 70/30 spots for 3 days of play,
i hope to finally get some smooth sessions where i just win one or two buy-ins.

my roll is at about 1375$ (1050€) atm.
i will deposit ~145$ (110€) when i start sunday,
and if i bust them, ill deposit the same the next day that im going to play.
i eventually prefer this, since i have more than 25 buy-ins
and only risk a tiny bit more than 10% of my roll on a single day.
self-exclusion will only be used if i gain a big online-roll quickly
and want to protect it till i can pay out 48h after depositing.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-18-2012 at 09:23 AM.
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02-19-2012 , 01:04 AM
i deposited 200€ and lost it playing 2/4$.
i dont ****ing care that i just have 1175$ now, i will keep playing 2/4 anyway.
i will deposit another 200€ in a few hours when i calmed down.
its not fun to run like total crap in every goddamn variant.
i cant believe that i always run like god or just lose every hand, its disgusting.
with 12 buy-ins and an expected winrate of 10bb or 2.5BB/100
i have a total risk of ruin of 3.87%. i can take that.
i cant run like **** forever and i know i beat this ****ing game with no end in sight.
mother****ing run of goddamn ****.

Last edited by HU4holes; 02-19-2012 at 01:13 AM. Reason: i might just sit at 50c/1$ PLO deep and shove it in, ffs
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