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09-28-2020 , 02:11 PM
Look forward to the monthly update! GL at the tables!
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09-28-2020 , 03:18 PM
checking in vision, Q976 ds is a 100% three bet vs button open ds. Vision didn't have this exact board, but on A82, turn Q, KQ54 was betting 100%.
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09-28-2020 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamayes
Look forward to the monthly update! GL at the tables!
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
checking in vision, Q976 ds is a 100% three bet vs button open ds. Vision didn't have this exact board, but on A82, turn Q, KQ54 was betting 100%.
Yeah thats what i wrote earlier some pretty good strat discussion lately.

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Kind of fukd month up this session, ran a ton under ev and lost heaps of mid sized pots.

biggish pot vs reg, thought i was fading mainly clubs, deeper i like a flop call too and going after it on blank turns but went for xr, meh

    $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $429.73 (214.9 bb)
    Hero (BB): $289.15 (144.6 bb)
    MP: $390.64 (195.3 bb)
    CO: $180.85 (90.4 bb)
    BTN: $207.05 (103.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 7 2 J
    MP raises to $7, CO calls $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5

    Flop: ($22) 8 4 J (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $15.40, CO calls $15.40, Hero raises to $83.60, MP calls $68.20, CO folds

    Turn: ($204.60) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $198.55 and is all-in, MP calls $198.55

    River: ($601.70) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $601.70 pot ($4 rake)
    Final Board: 8 4 J 6 9
    Hero mucked J 7 2 J and lost (-$289.15 net)
    MP showed A 7 9 T and won $597.70 ($308.55 net)


    domination, good ol T892sss

      $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $48.96 (24.5 bb)
      Hero (BB): $212.08 (106 bb)
      CO: $190.75 (95.4 bb)
      BTN: $378.64 (189.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 A 7 K
      CO raises to $7, BTN calls $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $29, CO calls $22, BTN calls $22

      Flop: ($88) 8 A 7 (3 players)
      Hero bets $44, CO raises to $161.75 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero calls $117.75

      Turn: ($411.50) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($411.50) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $411.50 pot ($4 rake)
      Final Board: 8 A 7 9 J
      Hero mucked 5 A 7 K and lost (-$190.75 net)
      CO showed 9 2 T 8 and won $407.50 ($216.75 net)
      BTN mucked and lost (-$29 net)


      did get one

        $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $80 (40 bb)
        BB: $207.29 (103.6 bb)
        UTG: $242.16 (121.1 bb)
        MP: $279.97 (140 bb)
        CO: $199 (99.5 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $240.55 (120.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9 J K
        UTG raises to $6, MP raises to $18, CO folds, Hero calls $18, 2 folds, UTG calls $12

        Flop: ($57) J 5 Q (3 players)
        UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $44, UTG calls $44, MP calls $44

        Turn: ($189) 3 (3 players)
        UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $178.55 and is all-in, UTG folds, MP calls $178.55

        River: ($546.10) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $546.10 pot ($4 rake)
        Final Board: J 5 Q 3 4
        UTG mucked and lost (-$62 net)
        MP showed 8 6 9 A and lost (-$240.55 net)
        Hero mucked Q 9 J K and won $542.10 ($301.55 net)
        NL thread Quote
        09-30-2020 , 04:24 PM
        Wrapping up this month, considering I was away from the tables half of it ill take it. Have been studying plenty of hours too and feeling good at 200plo, didnt take long to get used to the larger $ swings.

        Month +700$ rakeback



        All of 200plo since adding it this year



        fun/standardish one vs nitreg

          $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $95.14 (47.6 bb)
          Hero (BB): $504.84 (252.4 bb)
          MP: $230.65 (115.3 bb)
          CO: $192.05 (96 bb)
          BTN: $274.91 (137.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with A J 2 Q
          2 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB folds, Hero calls $5

          Flop: ($15) A 2 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

          Turn: ($36) T (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $28, Hero calls $28

          River: ($92) 7 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $64.40, Hero calls $64.40

          Spoiler:
          Results: $220.80 pot ($4 rake)
          Final Board: A 2 8 T 7
          Hero mucked A J 2 Q and won $216.80 ($106.90 net)
          BTN showed J 5 Q 4 and lost (-$109.90 net)


          gl all next month

          Last edited by S1C; 09-30-2020 at 04:30 PM.
          NL thread Quote
          09-30-2020 , 05:54 PM
          Strong results after moving up GLGL
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          10-04-2020 , 04:09 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by iamayes
          Strong results after moving up GLGL
          Thanks bro

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          Struggling a bit with volume lately, less 200 runs than 100 in general but its no excuse not to add more sites again.

          Few fun ones hands from today

          cooler

            $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $128.52 (64.3 bb)
            BB: $199 (99.5 bb)
            MP: $246.56 (123.3 bb)
            Hero (CO): $263.11 (131.6 bb)
            BTN: $120.25 (60.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 T J 9
            MP calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, BB calls $7, MP raises to $37, Hero calls $28, BB folds

            Flop: ($84) J 7 9 (2 players)
            MP bets $84, Hero raises to $226.11 and is all-in, MP calls $125.56 and is all-in

            Turn: ($503.12) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: ($503.12) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $503.12 pot ($4.00 rake)
            Final Board: J 7 9 8 5
            MP showed A K 8 A and lost (-$246.56 net)
            Hero mucked 8 T J 9 and won $499.12 ($252.56 net)


            another one

              $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              SB: $170.08 (85 bb)
              BB: $220.55 (110.3 bb)
              CO: $200 (100 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $282.41 (141.2 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 9 T 7
              CO folds, Hero raises to $7, SB folds, BB raises to $22, Hero calls $15

              Flop: ($45) T 4 T (2 players)
              BB bets $45, Hero calls $45

              Turn: ($135) 7 (2 players)
              BB bets $135, Hero raises to $215.41, BB calls $18.55 and is all-in

              River: ($442.10) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $442.10 pot ($4 rake)
              Final Board: T 4 T 7 9
              BB showed 5 A A J and lost (-$220.55 net)
              Hero mucked 9 9 T 7 and won $438.10 ($217.55 net)


              bink

                $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                Hero (SB): $511.67 (255.8 bb)
                BB: $105.30 (52.7 bb)
                CO: $124.52 (62.3 bb)
                BTN: $209.60 (104.8 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is SB with K A 2 K
                CO folds, BTN raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BB folds, BTN calls $14

                Flop: ($42) 7 3 9 (2 players)
                Hero bets $42, BTN raises to $168, Hero raises to $294, BTN calls $21.60 and is all-in

                Turn: ($421.20) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: ($421.20) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $421.20 pot ($4 rake)
                Final Board: 7 3 9 A 8
                Hero mucked K A 2 K and won $417.20 ($207.60 net)
                BTN showed 9 7 6 Q and lost (-$209.60 net)


                meh

                  $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                  Hero (SB): $228.68 (114.3 bb)
                  BB: $151.24 (75.6 bb)
                  CO: $80 (40 bb)
                  BTN: $572.31 (286.2 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 J A A
                  CO folds, BTN raises to $8, Hero raises to $27, BB folds, BTN raises to $84, Hero raises to $228.68 and is all-in, BTN calls $144.68

                  Flop: ($460.36) 9 T 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                  Turn: ($460.36) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                  River: ($460.36) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $460.36 pot ($4 rake)
                  Final Board: 9 T 7 J K
                  Hero mucked 6 J A A and lost (-$228.68 net)
                  BTN showed 5 A Q A and won $456.36 ($227.68 net)
                  NL thread Quote
                  10-06-2020 , 02:39 PM
                  A day early on the weekly update. Slacking on the volume but results are slowly coming in. I am able to focus more on quality as opposed to mass table clicking like I was on lower stakes. Still studying 5 days a week and reviewing plenty of hands.

                  +200rakeback




                  annoying spot as I thought im rfi and misclick 3b, think i need to pot/call here as played though

                    $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                    SB: $200 (100 bb)
                    BB: $377.05 (188.5 bb)
                    MP: $243 (121.5 bb)
                    Hero (CO): $319.71 (159.9 bb)
                    BTN: $155.40 (77.7 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 8 5 Q
                    MP raises to $7, Hero raises to $24, 3 folds, MP calls $17

                    Flop: ($51) 5 9 4 (2 players)
                    MP checks, Hero bets $51, MP raises to $200, Hero raises to $295.71, MP calls $19 and is all-in

                    Turn: ($489) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                    River: ($489) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $489 pot ($4.00 rake)
                    Final Board: 5 9 4 Q 3
                    MP showed 7 8 7 6 and won $485 ($242 net)
                    Hero mucked 7 8 5 Q and lost (-$243.00 net)
                    NL thread Quote
                    10-13-2020 , 04:05 PM
                    Not much going on the past week, yoyoing up and down. Took an extra few days off since sleep was awful resulting in poor focus etc. Adding in a second rest day, playing 6 days a week with intense study seems too much for me these days. I keep nearing burn out and having to pull back. So its going to be 5 days a week with an added total rest day and the other doing stuff with gf.

                    Will do a longer write up towards the end of the month since I played my first plo hand on the 1st of Nov 2019 and quite a lot has happened.

                    + $180rb



                    gambool, dream flop tho

                      $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                      SB: $396.41 (198.2 bb)
                      BB: $173.30 (86.7 bb)
                      UTG: $200 (100 bb)
                      MP: $397.47 (198.7 bb)
                      CO: $136.59 (68.3 bb)
                      Hero (BTN): $226.65 (113.3 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T Q 9 8
                      UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $20, BB folds, UTG raises to $86, Hero calls $65, SB folds

                      Flop: ($195) T 7 8 (2 players)
                      UTG bets $114 and is all-in, Hero calls $114

                      Turn: ($423) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                      River: ($423) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $423 pot ($4 rake)
                      Final Board: T 7 8 4 K
                      UTG showed A 5 9 A and lost (-$200 net)
                      Hero mucked T Q 9 8 and won $419 ($219 net)


                      no real interesting losing pots lately, bunch of this ****

                        $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                        SB: $501.36 (250.7 bb)
                        Hero (BB): $220.75 (110.4 bb)
                        MP: $96.05 (48 bb)
                        CO: $187.61 (93.8 bb)
                        BTN: $181 (90.5 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 9 2 5
                        MP calls $2, CO calls $2, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

                        Flop: ($8) J T 8 (4 players)
                        SB checks, Hero bets $8, MP folds, CO raises to $32, SB folds, Hero raises to $104, CO raises to $185.61 and is all-in, Hero calls $81.61

                        Turn: ($379.22) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                        River: ($379.22) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $379.22 pot ($4 rake)
                        Final Board: J T 8 3 4
                        SB mucked and lost (-$2 net)
                        Hero mucked Q 9 2 5 and lost (-$187.61 net)
                        MP mucked and lost (-$2 net)
                        CO showed T 9 7 A and won $375.22 ($187.61 net)
                        NL thread Quote
                        10-15-2020 , 02:27 AM
                        Nice post. Good luck with your progress.
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                        10-19-2020 , 11:08 AM
                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by HUMBLE.
                        Nice post. Good luck with your progress.
                        Thanks man, also following your PGC.

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                        Some fun hands from the last couple days

                        reg

                          $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                          SB: $511.22 (255.6 bb)
                          BB: $196 (98 bb)
                          MP: $183.61 (91.8 bb)
                          CO: $200 (100 bb)
                          Hero (BTN): $260.95 (130.5 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A T 8
                          MP folds, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $21, 2 folds, CO calls $15

                          Flop: ($45) 6 K 5 (2 players)
                          CO checks, Hero bets $14.85, CO calls $14.85

                          Turn: ($74.70) A (2 players)
                          CO checks, Hero bets $40, CO raises to $94, Hero raises to $225.10 and is all-in, CO folds

                          Spoiler:
                          Results: $262.70 pot ($4 rake)
                          Final Board: 6 K 5 A
                          CO mucked and lost (-$129.85 net)
                          Hero mucked Q A T 8 and won $258.70 ($128.85 net)


                          sigh vs reg on tilt

                            $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
                            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                            SB: $114.16 (57.1 bb)
                            BB: $442.50 (221.3 bb)
                            UTG: $273.17 (136.6 bb)
                            MP: $200 (100 bb)
                            Hero (CO): $211.13 (105.6 bb)
                            BTN: $46.72 (23.4 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is CO with K A 9 J
                            2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BB raises to $22, Hero calls $15

                            Flop: ($45) 9 3 T (2 players)
                            BB bets $31.50, Hero calls $31.50

                            Turn: ($108) Q (2 players)
                            BB checks, Hero bets $35.64, BB raises to $214.92, Hero calls $121.99 and is all-in

                            River: ($423.26) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                            Spoiler:
                            Results: $423.26 pot ($4 rake)
                            Final Board: 9 3 T Q Q
                            BB showed K A 3 Q and won $419.26 ($208.13 net)
                            Hero mucked K A 9 J and lost (-$211.13 net)


                            vs terribad reg, lost so many of these yesterday

                              $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
                              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                              SB: $211.84 (105.9 bb)
                              BB: $313.48 (156.7 bb)
                              UTG: $207.46 (103.7 bb)
                              MP: $69.03 (34.5 bb)
                              CO: $426.43 (213.2 bb)
                              Hero (BTN): $221.53 (110.8 bb)

                              Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9 A A
                              UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $8, BB raises to $38, UTG folds, Hero raises to $125, SB folds, BB calls $87

                              Flop: ($261) 4 J 3 (2 players)
                              BB bets $188.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $96.53 and is all-in

                              Turn: ($454.06) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                              River: ($454.06) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                              Spoiler:
                              Results: $454.06 pot ($4 rake)
                              Final Board: 4 J 3 6 3
                              BB showed 6 5 7 8 and won $450.06 ($228.53 net)
                              Hero mucked Q 9 A A and lost (-$221.53 net)


                              nut rec got me

                                $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
                                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                                Hero (SB): $273.49 (136.7 bb)
                                BB: $77.05 (38.5 bb)
                                MP: $123.80 (61.9 bb)
                                CO: $187 (93.5 bb)
                                BTN: $155.78 (77.9 bb)

                                Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A 6 A
                                MP folds, CO raises to $7, BTN folds, Hero raises to $23, BB folds, CO calls $16

                                Flop: ($48) 3 8 J (2 players)
                                Hero bets $48, CO calls $48

                                Turn: ($144) 6 (2 players)
                                Hero bets $144, CO calls $116 and is all-in

                                River: ($376) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                                Spoiler:
                                Results: $376 pot ($4 rake)
                                Final Board: 3 8 J 6 J
                                Hero mucked Q A 6 A and lost (-$187 net)
                                CO showed A 8 5 8 and won $372 ($185 net)
                                NL thread Quote
                                10-20-2020 , 03:49 PM
                                Ok, so, its been just about one year since I started playing PLO and I thought id give some more context to this mini milestone.

                                I had set myself the goal of becoming a 200plo reg by the end of October 2020, meaning one year starting with 0 knowledge and at 25plo. After having taken nearly one year away from the tables (former middish NL player), at the time I was not enjoying the game anymore and needed a break. Mostly due to some irl things mixed with self-sabotage I decided to take a break and get a job. I secured a good position in fintech pretty quickly, salary was solid, but eventually the spark to play poker again came back. Its quite the change going to work 9-5 after grinding NL for roughly 10ish years.

                                Fast forward six months I regularly spoke to my best buddy going way back, funnily enough we meet through 2+2 about ten years ago - he was crushing plo for a few years at that point and comfortably cruising at 5/10. I decided hey why not, lets give it a shot instead of NL again (ofc I have dabbled before, and by dabbled I mean probably punted off a buy in or two through the years). We began studying day in day out, I started off learning 50bb strategy at 25plo zoom (with a deposit of $600) since mistakes would cost me less and its an efficient strategy too - especially for getting your feet wet. Got down the preflop ranges fairly quickly and slowly began playing deeper moving into 50plo whilst maintaining roughly 9-10bb.

                                We reviewed tons of hands at that point and introduced some solver work (monker) at the time. I follow a strict BR management scheme which is basically 100 buy ins for next limit and I move up and when I reached the 5kish mark I diversified sites away from PS and although it was an annoying process depositing everywhere looking for good games and rakeback it was worth finding out where its worth to play (as visible in the graph the - RB really adds up at these stakes). Still mainstream sites, never been into the app grind.

                                By that time I was moving into 100plo we had definitely found out how to conceptually and relevantly study well with Monker (and still do, we spend/spent tons of hours with it), my friend was/is still crushing it too. I built a significant chunk of my roll at 100plo, and stayed there a little longer than the 100 buy in rule I had set. I guess I got comfortable but moved up as planned eventually and here we are today at 200plo 40k hands in and a 10bb-ish win rate overall. I started out with $600 and I am now sitting with roughly 30kish after cashing out chunks monthly for life expenses. I have been lucky and not experienced any mind boggling downswings, only a couple 30 buy in downers thrown in but nothing awful like iv seen others experience.

                                Going forward, I will stick with the current Oct to Oct time frame for goals.

                                Poker Goals:

                                -Established 400, 500, 600plo reg. Its not the same jump as 25plo to 200plo in terms of stakes like I had in my first year but the games are a def tougher, so I am aiming to establish myself at mid stakes. Hoping to play my first 400plo hand in the next 2-3ish months.

                                -Continue to study 5-6 days a week with my friend using monker, visions etc.

                                -20k quality hands per month, yeah its not many but I want to play well and keep moving up - not put in insane volume at any stake - unless its HSPLO

                                -Keep networking and make friends in the poker world, I have meet many cool plo'ers lately.

                                -Daily posting instead of weekly, I enjoyed BenaBadBeat's blog this way and will take on that style.

                                -Start taking on/coaching a couple students who play micro/small.

                                -Enjoy the process of it all, keep poker fun as well as professional.

                                Overall $



                                200



                                100



                                50



                                25

                                NL thread Quote
                                10-20-2020 , 07:29 PM
                                Amazing results...keep crushing bro. Go time
                                NL thread Quote
                                10-20-2020 , 08:23 PM
                                Amazing results. Very well played sir!
                                Red the whole thread and I find it very inspiring.
                                I want to switch to plo too, I'm getting burned out in nlhe nowadays despite doing okaysh at the low stakes. The average player in nlhe is just very good right now and i don't enjoy the game anymore. You have to put so much work and study for a little edge to be gained. In plo the gap between good and bad players is much bigger, and I have the feel there are always good games going.

                                If i may ask you:

                                1) do you have any plo book that you find good? I red all Jeff hwang books but I think they are outdated right now.

                                2) thoughts on training sites? I wanted to give plo mastermind a try, but maybe is Rio better?

                                3) what is more useful? Monker or plo visions? Both a must have?

                                4) if you have to choose only one, On wich site would you play? Why? Best site to build a roll starting at plo 25?
                                Best site for every stake?

                                Thanks for reading, I will follow your journey and rooting for you mate, high stakes are not far away

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                                NL thread Quote
                                10-20-2020 , 09:56 PM
                                ****kkkk yes. gl looking forward to following along
                                NL thread Quote
                                10-21-2020 , 03:18 AM
                                Very inspiring post! Keep the good work!
                                NL thread Quote
                                10-22-2020 , 03:37 PM
                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by iamayes
                                Amazing results...keep crushing bro. Go time
                                thanks man, still got some catching up to do to your 200 results tho

                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by Twentythrees
                                Amazing results. Very well played sir!
                                Red the whole thread and I find it very inspiring.
                                I want to switch to plo too, I'm getting burned out in nlhe nowadays despite doing okaysh at the low stakes. The average player in nlhe is just very good right now and i don't enjoy the game anymore. You have to put so much work and study for a little edge to be gained. In plo the gap between good and bad players is much bigger, and I have the feel there are always good games going.

                                If i may ask you:

                                1) do you have any plo book that you find good? I red all Jeff hwang books but I think they are outdated right now.

                                2) thoughts on training sites? I wanted to give plo mastermind a try, but maybe is Rio better?

                                3) what is more useful? Monker or plo visions? Both a must have?

                                4) if you have to choose only one, On wich site would you play? Why? Best site to build a roll starting at plo 25?
                                Best site for every stake?

                                Thanks for reading, I will follow your journey and rooting for you mate, high stakes are not far away

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                                Hey man, its definitely a good change-up from NL but by no means can you cruise by with little to no study you will have to work as hard - but yes edges can be bigger for sure.

                                I will try and answer these:

                                1. I have never read a PLO book and I am not sure I would given whats out there.

                                2. I am currently not subbed to any of them for vids, I only use Visions for certain check ups when I dont wana do Monker stuff. So I cannot help either, but im sure both have some decent content - leaning RIO.

                                3. They are both useful and serve their purpose. If you are transitioning I would suggest you get preflop down very well as it can cost you a lot of win rate. I would suggest Monker but the learning curve can be frustrating with it, its heavy on resources and expensive. Maybe begin with preflop/propokertools/visions and get the basics down pat.

                                4. Haha well, depending on where you are I would check them all out. PS was a good practice ground since you can play many hands an hour zooming but its not optimal for moving up imo. Find some rakeback, since traffic at 25 should be plentiful on all sites.

                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by lol_hi
                                ****kkkk yes. gl looking forward to following along

                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by Laron
                                Very inspiring post! Keep the good work!
                                Thanks bros! Much appreciated.

                                -------------------

                                Alright first day of daily posting. Yesterday was a rest day hence no posting. Put in 90min of study and one mid length session. Traffic was fairly quiet and iv still been lazy to fund more sites for volume.



                                Largest pot today, fairly standard one. Largest losing was some 60bb spot vs fish. Otherwise mostly boring hands.

                                  $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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                                  SB: $264 (132 bb)
                                  BB: $80 (40 bb)
                                  MP: $201.24 (100.6 bb)
                                  Hero (CO): $306.26 (153.1 bb)
                                  BTN: $200 (100 bb)

                                  Preflop: Hero is CO with J Q Q J
                                  MP folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero calls $17

                                  Flop: ($51) K A T (2 players)
                                  Hero checks, BTN bets $35.70, Hero calls $35.70

                                  Turn: ($122.40) 2 (2 players)
                                  Hero checks, BTN bets $122.40, Hero raises to $244.80, BTN calls $17.90

                                  River: ($403) J (2 players)

                                  Spoiler:
                                  Results: $403 pot ($4 rake)
                                  Final Board: K A T 2 J
                                  Hero mucked J Q Q J and won $399 ($199 net)
                                  BTN showed A 7 K A and lost (-$200.00 net)
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                                  10-23-2020 , 07:02 AM
                                  Nice blog. Keep it up.

                                  My observations:

                                  You're missing out on a ton of EV by playing Zoom instead of playing regular tables. PLO is all about finding ways to exploit people. A good seat at the right table can make your week or even a month. You don't get that with Zoom.

                                  For someone with your work ethic 10bb/100 is on the low side for these stakes. That number will only decrease as you try to move up. Since you're still learning the game I think it makes more sense to play fewer tables with a higher win-rate. You'll get less rakeback but you'll also take your game to the next level, which is what you need if you want to continue moving up. PLO200 is probably the last super-fishy level so you need to be a lot better than 10bb/100 at PLO200 if you want to win at PLO1000.

                                  You can also have a single regular table running while you're studying, so the laser-like focus on the game will enable you to find profitable spots that you'd normally ignore during the multi-table play. Winning that extra hand or finding that extra fold is the difference between a good and a great win-rate.

                                  If you do end up making it to the big leagues you won't be able to play several tables anyway, so you may as well start going for quality over quantity right now. Your bankroll requirements would also decrease if you played fewer tables, so you could start taking shots at bigger games today instead of waiting to double your roll the hard way, which will eat up a huge amount of time for no good reason.

                                  When I'm building a roll my goal is to steam-roll through as many levels as possible until I meet the resistance be it from the regs or the variance. Then I may slow down or even drop down, but generally speaking there's never a 2x difference in quality of opponents' play when you double the stakes, so why should I have to wait a year until I double my roll if I can beat the game right now?

                                  Shot-taking is a science and an art and great rewards await those who can master it.
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                                  10-23-2020 , 08:39 AM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by NoControl
                                  Nice blog. Keep it up.

                                  My observations:

                                  You're missing out on a ton of EV by playing Zoom instead of playing regular tables. PLO is all about finding ways to exploit people. A good seat at the right table can make your week or even a month. You don't get that with Zoom.

                                  For someone with your work ethic 10bb/100 is on the low side for these stakes. That number will only decrease as you try to move up. Since you're still learning the game I think it makes more sense to play fewer tables with a higher win-rate. You'll get less rakeback but you'll also take your game to the next level, which is what you need if you want to continue moving up. PLO200 is probably the last super-fishy level so you need to be a lot better than 10bb/100 at PLO200 if you want to win at PLO1000.

                                  You can also have a single regular table running while you're studying, so the laser-like focus on the game will enable you to find profitable spots that you'd normally ignore during the multi-table play. Winning that extra hand or finding that extra fold is the difference between a good and a great win-rate.

                                  If you do end up making it to the big leagues you won't be able to play several tables anyway, so you may as well start going for quality over quantity right now. Your bankroll requirements would also decrease if you played fewer tables, so you could start taking shots at bigger games today instead of waiting to double your roll the hard way, which will eat up a huge amount of time for no good reason.

                                  When I'm building a roll my goal is to steam-roll through as many levels as possible until I meet the resistance be it from the regs or the variance. Then I may slow down or even drop down, but generally speaking there's never a 2x difference in quality of opponents' play when you double the stakes, so why should I have to wait a year until I double my roll if I can beat the game right now?

                                  Shot-taking is a science and an art and great rewards await those who can master it.
                                  Hey man, thanks for the detailed post! However, im not sure you have read my posts as I dont play zoom and much of what you have written I sort of implement. Yeah my win rate at 200plo regular tables is around 13bb, there is some distortion in my long post earlier due to a failed zoom shot which cost me a bit a long time ago iv just included it.

                                  I guess its each to their own in terms of shot taking, i simply prefer to ease into the next level with enough buy ins than potentially yoyo up and down. The latter I used to do in NL back in the day, but I prefer the route that takes less of a tole on the mental aspect.

                                  Glgl
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                                  10-23-2020 , 10:05 AM
                                  Quote:
                                  You can also have a single regular table running while you're studying
                                  Could you elaborate on this? For me, it feels like it is multi-tasking. I can't see someone will do successfully Monker work and play with laser focus at one table. It will be either autopiloting that table or autopiloting Monker.
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                                  10-23-2020 , 02:15 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by S1C
                                  Hey man, thanks for the detailed post! However, im not sure you have read my posts as I dont play zoom and much of what you have written I sort of implement. Yeah my win rate at 200plo regular tables is around 13bb, there is some distortion in my long post earlier due to a failed zoom shot which cost me a bit a long time ago iv just included it.


                                  Glgl

                                  My bad. I did read the whole blog, but the first post about Zoom kind of threw me off and I also assumed that when you talked about how 200PLO wasn't running regularly during European hours you were talking about Zoom because 200PLO seems to run around the clock on the "American" sites that I play on.

                                  Whatever you're doing you're doing it right if it's working, so stick with your system and only change things if it stops working. Your 13bb/100 winrate is very solid and if you can keep it up at higher stakes you'll be one of the best regs. The point I was trying to make is if fewer tables result in higher win-rate then you should always do it even if it hurts your rakeback because you'll be rewarded for it later at higher stakes where the game is a lot more nuanced and the players are paying a lot more attention to you.
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                                  10-23-2020 , 02:51 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by Laron
                                  Could you elaborate on this? For me, it feels like it is multi-tasking. I can't see someone will do successfully Monker work and play with laser focus at one table. It will be either autopiloting that table or autopiloting Monker.
                                  There's no right or wrong here. For someone who's mass-tabling all day playing a single table will not feel like multitasking even during a brain surgery.

                                  I know I'm not a very good multi-tabler, but I can study and play a single table at the same time without much trouble. Yes, it does feel like you are multitasking but you're also not being forced to make insta-plays and that's what keeps me from autopiloting. It also helps if the windows are not on top of each other so your brain does not have to make the full switch when it's your turn to act because your subconscious will be aware that your turn is coming up as long as the table is visible at all times.
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                                  10-23-2020 , 03:52 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by NoControl
                                  My bad. I did read the whole blog, but the first post about Zoom kind of threw me off and I also assumed that when you talked about how 200PLO wasn't running regularly during European hours you were talking about Zoom because 200PLO seems to run around the clock on the "American" sites that I play on.

                                  Whatever you're doing you're doing it right if it's working, so stick with your system and only change things if it stops working. Your 13bb/100 winrate is very solid and if you can keep it up at higher stakes you'll be one of the best regs. The point I was trying to make is if fewer tables result in higher win-rate then you should always do it even if it hurts your rakeback because you'll be rewarded for it later at higher stakes where the game is a lot more nuanced and the players are paying a lot more attention to you.
                                  Yeah 200plo runs everywhere at European evenings, even day time there's reasonable traffic. The network I most prefer can be quiet/not as good at times is what I meant, hence needing more sites again. I do quality over quantity but when rakeback is equal to something like 4-5 buy ins even with lowish volume its still worth it for me to play on rakeback heavy sites.

                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by Laron
                                  Could you elaborate on this? For me, it feels like it is multi-tasking. I can't see someone will do successfully Monker work and play with laser focus at one table. It will be either autopiloting that table or autopiloting Monker.
                                  Have to agree with Laron here, its impossible to get takeaways from Monker whilst playing - at least if your are doing meaningful work and not just checking up some hand (which I dont think counts as studying).

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                                  Another day in the books. Put in another 500 hands, was not going to play at all given I barely slept but the action was good and luckily ran pretty hot. No study, afternoon nap instead



                                  Rec flops so hard but we still get there. We still got 30% on the flop, but felt much worse haha

                                    $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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                                    SB: $78 (39 bb)
                                    BB: $234 (117 bb)
                                    MP: $80 (40 bb)
                                    Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)
                                    BTN: $218.28 (109.1 bb)

                                    Preflop: Hero is CO with T 7 9 K
                                    MP folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BB raises to $22, Hero calls $15

                                    Flop: ($45) J 5 Q (2 players)
                                    BB bets $33.75, Hero raises to $146.25, BB raises to $212 and is all-in, Hero calls $31.75 and is all-in

                                    Turn: ($401) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                                    River: ($401) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                                    Spoiler:
                                    Results: $401 pot ($4 rake)
                                    Final Board: J 5 Q 7 8
                                    BB showed 5 5 A A and lost (-$200 net)
                                    Hero mucked T 7 9 K and won $397 ($197 net)


                                    Vs two very juicy recs

                                      $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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                                      SB: $200 (100 bb)
                                      BB: $188 (94 bb)
                                      UTG: $139.05 (69.5 bb)
                                      MP: $542.61 (271.3 bb)
                                      CO: $756.65 (378.3 bb)
                                      Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)

                                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K 5 A
                                      UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $9, Hero raises to $32, 2 folds, MP calls $30, CO calls $23

                                      Flop: ($99) K 9 4 (3 players)
                                      MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $49.50, MP folds, CO calls $49.50

                                      Turn: ($198) 8 (2 players)
                                      CO bets $148.50, Hero calls $118.50 and is all-in

                                      River: ($435) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                                      Spoiler:
                                      Results: $435 pot ($4 rake)
                                      Final Board: K 9 4 8 7
                                      CO showed Q J 5 J and lost (-$200 net)
                                      Hero mucked K K 5 A and won $431 ($231 net)


                                      Biggest losing one of the day, small like yesterday

                                        $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
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                                        SB: $101 (50.5 bb)
                                        BB: $89.69 (44.8 bb)
                                        Hero (BTN): $299.77 (149.9 bb)

                                        Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q J A 4
                                        Hero raises to $7, SB folds, BB calls $5

                                        Flop: ($15) 7 T 9 (2 players)
                                        BB checks, Hero bets $11.10, BB calls $11.10

                                        Turn: ($37.20) 3 (2 players)
                                        BB checks, Hero bets $37.20, BB raises to $71.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $34.39

                                        River: ($180.38) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                                        Spoiler:
                                        Results: $180.38 pot ($4 rake)
                                        Final Board: 7 T 9 3 6
                                        BB showed 8 A 8 6 and won $176.38 ($86.69 net)
                                        Hero mucked Q J A 4 and lost (-$89.69 net)
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                                        10-25-2020 , 05:59 PM
                                        After having a great rest day, came back strong today. Unfortunately couldnt get any momentum going and lost a ton of mid sized pots.



                                        heres a fun one, id fold river all day vs the regs i play (tanked pretty hard even vs aggro fish tbh)

                                          $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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                                          SB: $138.94 (69.5 bb)
                                          BB: $511.76 (255.9 bb)
                                          UTG: $75 (37.5 bb)
                                          MP: $265.43 (132.7 bb)
                                          CO: $214.06 (107 bb)
                                          Hero (BTN): $293.62 (146.8 bb)

                                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 T T J
                                          UTG folds, MP raises to $7, CO folds, Hero calls $7, SB folds, BB calls $5

                                          Flop: ($22) T 6 7 (3 players)
                                          BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $16.28, BB calls $16.28, MP folds

                                          Turn: ($54.56) 6 (2 players)
                                          BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB calls $18

                                          River: ($90.56) 5 (2 players)
                                          BB bets $22, Hero raises to $115.85, BB raises to $438.11, Hero calls $136.49 and is all-in

                                          Spoiler:
                                          Results: $595.24 pot ($4 rake)
                                          Final Board: T 6 7 6 5
                                          BB showed 6 J 7 9 and lost (-$293.62 net)
                                          Hero mucked 9 T T J and won $591.24 ($297.62 net)


                                          biggest one lost vs reg

                                            $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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                                            Hero (SB): $468.25 (234.1 bb)
                                            BB: $80 (40 bb)
                                            UTG: $55 (27.5 bb)
                                            MP: $201 (100.5 bb)
                                            CO: $254.92 (127.5 bb)
                                            BTN: $145.61 (72.8 bb)

                                            Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 A 6 A
                                            3 folds, BTN raises to $7, Hero raises to $23, BB folds, BTN calls $16

                                            Flop: ($48) 3 T J (2 players)
                                            Hero bets $48, BTN raises to $122.61 and is all-in, Hero calls $74.61

                                            Turn: ($293.22) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                                            River: ($293.22) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                                            Spoiler:
                                            Results: $293.22 pot ($4 rake)
                                            Final Board: 3 T J 6 K
                                            Hero mucked 3 A 6 A and lost (-$145.61 net)
                                            BTN showed 6 T T 8 and won $289.22 ($143.61 net)
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                                            10-26-2020 , 07:51 PM
                                            It would be cool if you posted some non-standard hands even if you had folded the river or made a bad call. You play so many hands that there has to be some PLO gold in there.
                                            A lot of times it's not the biggest pot that makes a hand interesting.

                                            Cheers.
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                                            10-27-2020 , 09:03 AM
                                            Quote:
                                            Originally Posted by NoControl
                                            It would be cool if you posted some non-standard hands even if you had folded the river or made a bad call. You play so many hands that there has to be some PLO gold in there.
                                            A lot of times it's not the biggest pot that makes a hand interesting.

                                            Cheers.
                                            Hey, yeah good point. Ill try find some more interesting ones to throw in!

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                                            Was super tired and slightly annoyed after last nights sessions so posting now

                                            The games were insanely good and I managed to run 10bi under ev.



                                            Most of my hands were literally losing tons of all ins/getting smacked by fish nothing too interesting.

                                            close-ish spot vs aggro rec

                                              $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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                                              SB: $104.71 (52.4 bb)
                                              Hero (BB): $477.55 (238.8 bb)
                                              MP: $182.80 (91.4 bb)
                                              CO: $266.42 (133.2 bb)
                                              BTN: $136.18 (68.1 bb)

                                              Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 T J 8
                                              MP folds, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5

                                              Flop: ($15) J 3 5 (2 players)
                                              Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

                                              Turn: ($35) Q (2 players)
                                              Hero checks, CO checks

                                              River: ($35) Q (2 players)
                                              Hero checks, CO bets $22, Hero calls $22

                                              Spoiler:
                                              Results: $79 pot ($3 rake)
                                              Final Board: J 3 5 Q Q
                                              Hero showed 6 T J 8 and won $76 ($37 net)
                                              CO showed 9 3 K 8 and lost (-$39 net)


                                              dont love this one, but villain was one of the special ones, i think my combo/hand generally dsnt make a great get it in ott

                                                $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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                                                Hero (SB): $201 (100.5 bb)
                                                BB: $560.02 (280 bb)
                                                MP: $214.39 (107.2 bb)
                                                CO: $410.75 (205.4 bb)
                                                BTN: $693 (346.5 bb)

                                                Preflop: Hero is SB with J 8 A A
                                                3 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BB calls $36

                                                Flop: ($108) J K T (2 players)
                                                Hero checks, BB checks

                                                Turn: ($108) K (2 players)
                                                Hero checks, BB bets $90, Hero raises to $147 and is all-in, BB calls $57

                                                River: ($402) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                                                Spoiler:
                                                Results: $402 pot ($3 rake)
                                                Final Board: J K T K 7
                                                Hero showed J 8 A A and won $399 ($198 net)
                                                BB showed Q Q 8 3 and lost (-$201 net)
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