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09-14-2012 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by waki
what's your winrate from the sb/bb giev?
sb -19bb/100
bb -26bb/100

Does these suck or ok? I have no idea.
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09-14-2012 , 12:44 PM
sb pretty std. bb crushaments
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09-14-2012 , 02:35 PM
Pretty obvious stuff but ofc that depends on what the average number of players on the table is ie on the frequency you have to pay the blinds.

For argument's sake let's say you only play strictly 5-max so every 100 hands is 20 orbits.

Then if you were to just open-fold every time you're in the blinds, you'd lose
-10 bb/100 from SB
-20 bb/100 from BB
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09-14-2012 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Giev money??
Sorry can't post any big hands these days because everyone will find out my SN.
Fair enough

Edit: found it (bb graph) http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3289

Last edited by slahwooi; 09-14-2012 at 02:44 PM.
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09-14-2012 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pummi81
Pretty obvious stuff but ofc that depends on what the average number of players on the table is ie on the frequency you have to pay the blinds.

For argument's sake let's say you only play strictly 5-max so every 100 hands is 20 orbits.

Then if you were to just open-fold every time you're in the blinds, you'd lose
-10 bb/100 from SB
-20 bb/100 from BB

so you mean he just should fold in this positions and play premiums?

i dont think so -.-
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09-14-2012 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pummi81
Pretty obvious stuff but ofc that depends on what the average number of players on the table is ie on the frequency you have to pay the blinds.

For argument's sake let's say you only play strictly 5-max so every 100 hands is 20 orbits.

Then if you were to just open-fold every time you're in the blinds, you'd lose
-10 bb/100 from SB
-20 bb/100 from BB
actually, if we are talking about just hands from the blinds, you would lose 100bb/100 from bb and 50bb/100 from sb if you folded every time. your figures are correct if we are looking at all hands and folding pre from every position 100%.
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09-14-2012 , 04:28 PM
correct
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09-14-2012 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by smellmuth
actually, if we are talking about just hands from the blinds, you would lose 100bb/100 from bb and 50bb/100 from sb if you folded every time. your figures are correct if we are looking at all hands and folding pre from every position 100%.
This is what I was always told to be true.

I'd been given -15bb in SB and -30bb from BB to be good numbers to aim for so Giev is pretty much bang on.
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09-14-2012 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Giev money??
sb -19bb/100
bb -26bb/100

Does these suck or ok? I have no idea.
brag: same numbers for me this year
beat: 400nl
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09-14-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by smellmuth
actually, if we are talking about just hands from the blinds, you would lose 100bb/100 from bb and 50bb/100 from sb if you folded every time. your figures are correct if we are looking at all hands and folding pre from every position 100%.
yeah this is correct
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09-14-2012 , 11:22 PM
Giev, your last post was your 1337th!

looking forward to watching you play at the wcoop main event in a weeks time,

good "luck" I hope you win!
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09-15-2012 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by smellmuth
actually, if we are talking about just hands from the blinds, you would lose 100bb/100 from bb and 50bb/100 from sb if you folded every time. your figures are correct if we are looking at all hands and folding pre from every position 100%.
Damn, you ruined it...
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09-15-2012 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by smellmuth
actually, if we are talking about just hands from the blinds, you would lose 100bb/100 from bb and 50bb/100 from sb if you folded every time. your figures are correct if we are looking at all hands and folding pre from every position 100%.
No, cuz you don't play all the hands nor from bb nor from sb?
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09-15-2012 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by toddythegoddy
Giev, your last post was your 1337th!
whats up with 1337, whats that, i see it from time to time someone mention it (to lazy to google haha)
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09-15-2012 , 11:57 AM
LEET boyyy
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09-15-2012 , 01:52 PM
what stats do you look at to decide whether or not to triple barrel bluff?


i fell like the flop call, turn call, river fold line is really bad. and obviously horrible for the red line. if i beat his range on the flop/turn then i should call most rivers. so i rarely do it, and i never expect others to do it. therefore i am always timid to take a triple barrel bluff line. i feel like i should only get whiffed draws to fold.

however, i think that my thought process is flawed somewhere. please help.
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09-15-2012 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BT2
if i beat his range on the flop/turn then i should call most rivers.
his range changes when he bets the river....
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09-15-2012 , 03:04 PM
Just out of curiosity. How come you don't tell people your sn?
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09-15-2012 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Roscoe123
Just out of curiosity. How come you don't tell people your sn?
You can't take an educated guess?

He's only playing for ridiculous sums of money and gives his thoughts on hands/poker. Would you risk it? Also he increases chance of being targeted for scams. There's honestly nothing for him to gain from his SN being known.
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09-15-2012 , 08:55 PM
why dont you let him guess first? now there s no fun anymore
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09-16-2012 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BT2
what stats do you look at to decide whether or not to triple barrel bluff?


i fell like the flop call, turn call, river fold line is really bad. and obviously horrible for the red line. if i beat his range on the flop/turn then i should call most rivers. so i rarely do it, and i never expect others to do it. therefore i am always timid to take a triple barrel bluff line. i feel like i should only get whiffed draws to fold.

however, i think that my thought process is flawed somewhere. please help.
I play weak vs regs that 3bet alot and barrel alot. And don't exploit enough the players that play the same way. One thing I have been thinking lately.

Think equity all the time. Plus add top/mid/bottom range thinking OTR. Auto call every pair until the river and most draws ( sometimes shove draws OTT). With 87s on a board of K74hh Jd you don't have mid pair. You have equity. Good equity vs his bluffing range and 10% equity vs nuts.

River 2

Yet again we don't have mid pair. We have equity vs give ups. Bluffing equity if villain never checks a flush here. Vs shove usually I think we have very low equity. Top of our range flushes. Mid part sets and two pairs + tps. Bottom of our range pairs below tp. From top to bottom equity decreases. Snap call with good equity. Draw the line somewhere in the region of two pair/tp.

River 2

We have equity vs give ups. Not much bluffing equity because of the draws missed. Vs shove I think we have bit more equity than previously. All draws missed. Top of our range sets/two pairs. Mid part tps/mid pairs. Bottom missed draws. From top to bottom equity decreases again. Mid pair has bit more equity now. Draw the line of snap call vs shove little higher around tp/mid pair region.

I think I need more of this kind of thinking when playin againts aggro blinds from the button. I have auto folded so many times OTT my mid pair that is not even funny. 10000000000% of equity stolen from me .

This works the other way around too. Auto half bet pot flop and turn againts regs that are pushovers and don't realize how much equity is been stolen from them. Shove river blanks for the same reason. Keep doing this until they call the river shove with something less than the top of their range.
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09-19-2012 , 07:49 PM
wow what a thread...227 pages. I have $40 books that taught me less. What an inspiration. You clearly are not only a Pro NL player but a legend at how you go about it and manage your bankroll and life at such a young age. I cannot believe how many questions you took the time to answer. I think if eventually you 'come out' it will be the most anticipated reveal since isildur. I am positive if you won 10 mill and went to 'work' on the pro's you would have just realized yet another notch you could achieve as a winning player. Thanks for all the wisdom.
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09-20-2012 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bptuneman
wow what a thread...227 pages. I have $40 books that taught me less. What an inspiration. You clearly are not only a Pro NL player but a legend at how you go about it and manage your bankroll and life at such a young age. I cannot believe how many questions you took the time to answer. I think if eventually you 'come out' it will be the most anticipated reveal since isildur. I am positive if you won 10 mill and went to 'work' on the pro's you would have just realized yet another notch you could achieve as a winning player. Thanks for all the wisdom.
Plot twist: Giev is Isildur.
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09-20-2012 , 06:26 PM
hi giev, thanks for your time and this whole thread, it's motivating man!

if u share with us, what generally your notes on players looks like ? do you note just general tendencies of a player or it is more specific note, like what given player played on some board with some hand on flop, turn, river ?

thanks
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09-20-2012 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by debacle
Plot twist: Giev is Isildur.
haha hes 2nd time comming out, when does it end?
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