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07-03-2019 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JoseMourinho
The obsession with racism is absolutely laughable. You can call someone stupid (something he has no control over), you can call someone ugly (cant control it either), but if you insult someone's nationality/race in the heat of the moment everyone goes mad (however it seems insulting americans has no such effect).

Im not saying doing either of the above is fine fwiw
What you don't get is that racism isn't just a form of insulting that specific person, but hate against a lot of people. We all know that "stupid" is a pejorative word, but when someone say "black" meaning as a bad thing, then they aren't cursing that specific person anymore, but all black people.

There's a reason why in most constitutions there is a big difference between personal harassment and racism, in some countries you could go to jail for the latter without the right of bail.

Tbh I understand why you get mad at how society is taking racism that seriously, I think people are overreacting on that, but there are some places where racism is still a big deal (specially in lower educated social groups), so it's better for everyone to be obsessed about that for the sake of those who could really suffer because of racism.
07-03-2019 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
Can’t see the clip but if the quote is accurate how are there people defending that wtf? Who cares if someone is drunk so they couldn’t hold back the horrible comments they manage to hold back when sober. That’s not dark humor, it’s just ****ed up.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyAbstemiousRatFunRun
07-03-2019 , 03:01 PM
Even if the "racism" charge is true and not just random drunken spew, that has absolutely nothing to do with a person's poker skills.
07-03-2019 , 03:06 PM
How is just saying a bunch of racial slurs funny? He was stone sober and just being a prick...tilted he got stacked and expresses it by saying a bunch of hateful things to someone in his chat.

Kinda insane to me anyone could defend this clip.

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Even if the "racism" charge is true and not just random drunken spew, that has absolutely nothing to do with a person's poker skills.
Says a lot about their character/mental stability which is much more important than poker skills.

I only watched the stream for about five minutes but in that time he kept bringing up how awesome at poker he is, mentioned having a hot wife a bunch of times, and bragged about his engineering degree. Just an insecure POS and then randomly goes off on some EU(?) dude in chat when his ego is questioned.

He definitely wasn't drunk during the stream. Just a titled baby.

Also his poker ability isn't very high.

Last edited by djz; 07-03-2019 at 03:27 PM.
07-03-2019 , 03:45 PM
Pretty messed up comments, but this is the reason I have absolutely zero interests in ever streaming or becoming any sort of public figure. If there was a video evidence directory of every stupid thing I’d ever said, then I’d for sure be a social pariah for the rest of my life - and I imagine so would most people.

Not excusing OP, but don’t throw stones if you live in glass houses and all that.
07-03-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kangal_
Pretty messed up comments, but this is the reason I have absolutely zero interests in ever streaming or becoming any sort of public figure. If there was a video evidence directory of every stupid thing I’d ever said, then I’d for sure be a social pariah for the rest of my life - and I imagine so would most people.

Not excusing OP, but don’t throw stones if you live in glass houses and all that.
I have said a lot of really stupid things in my lifetime (and been pretty heated while gaming) but never anything like what OP said.

If you talk this way you should be a social pariah. Or have to walk through Harlem while saying it or sandwich board Bruce Willis style:
07-03-2019 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
thx. Was someone else on the stream with him at the time saying woah woah at the end after he said it?

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Even if the "racism" charge is true and not just random drunken spew, that has absolutely nothing to do with a person's poker skills.
If that's where you mind goes when saying things when drunk than there is a problem. Being drunk is not a good excuse, if he even was drunk.

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Originally Posted by Kangal_
Pretty messed up comments, but this is the reason I have absolutely zero interests in ever streaming or becoming any sort of public figure. If there was a video evidence directory of every stupid thing I’d ever said, then I’d for sure be a social pariah for the rest of my life - and I imagine so would most people.

Not excusing OP, but don’t throw stones if you live in glass houses and all that.
I agree with you in general but I don't think this is a case of someone saying something mildly questionable and people getting overly outraged about it. The comment he was responding to was barely even an insult. And he just went so far past the line. I've only watched a bit of his content in the past but he always seemed to be saying some things that were on the edge and I think the way he acted was a big part of why he had so many haters. These were very messed up comments and the clip was actually even a bit worse than the text that had been quoted earlier.
07-03-2019 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by djz
I have said a lot of really stupid things in my lifetime (and been pretty heated while gaming) but never anything like what OP said.

If you talk this way you should be a social pariah. Or have to walk through Harlem while saying it or sandwich board Bruce Willis style:
I don’t really want to debate this, as the whole subject is a fkn minefield. But there are definitely types of racism that have been socially appropriated as ‘banter’ (eg. Irish travellers, Italian Americans, Asians, Jews), and other types of racism that people have zero tolerance for. There are historical reasons for this being the way it is, but it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me.

Maybe on your arbitrary logarithmic scale of bad things to unspeakably bad things, you feel like you’’ve never said anything as bad as OPs comment. But I’d imagine I could fine some people who would feel differently. Have you ever made fun of the disabled, for example? Used any of the words synonymous with disability as an insult? I bet loads of people find that more offensive than using the word black as a pejorative.
07-03-2019 , 04:12 PM
never liked this guy, just faking graphs for coaching
07-03-2019 , 04:15 PM
The clip doesn't seem good. It's very ugly honestly. Those who piddle paddle about racism have never had to experience it. I've been chased out of a house before and told to never come back to a specific town because I have a FRACTION of black in me.

My wife's mother-in-law asked her if she really wanted to split up their family just to go out on a date with me. Because I have a FRACTION of black in me.

An ex wouldn't let me meet her parents. Because I have a FRACTION of black in me.

One of my brothers' ex's said, in relation to one of my nieces and one of my nephews, that she can't stand the sound of black babies crying, but her perfectly white kid's crying was perfectly fine.

Racism is ****ing real and is not a ****ing joke. Drunk/titled/mental unstable all are not excuses. Let's rip our skin off, and all you'll find different is two different colored skins on the floor.
07-03-2019 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
thx. Was someone else on the stream with him at the time saying woah woah at the end after he said it?
Yeah he was streaming with a friend who told him to chill out.

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If that's where you mind goes when saying things when drunk than there is a problem. Being drunk is not a good excuse, if he even was drunk.
Drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts. In vino veritas

Re-host cause the clip was deleted.
07-03-2019 , 04:30 PM
good ****
07-03-2019 , 04:44 PM
Unoriginal, racist POS.
07-03-2019 , 04:45 PM
how long is he banned for omg..
07-03-2019 , 04:53 PM
Legit wasn't being serious, but guess you got to be careful what you say anywhere these days.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Mistake to come back and stream some lower stakes for fun and banter.
07-03-2019 , 05:14 PM
Dont think the mistake was streaming mate. I think the racism was probably the mistake!
07-03-2019 , 05:24 PM
Okay, let me reiterate then so there is no confusion.

I should not have said what I said and I apologize for that action and to anyone who may have been offended.

That being said, it was not meant to be racist or specifically offensive more of a banter or joke/nonsense. Regardless of the intention, I admit it was a mistake and apologize for it.
07-03-2019 , 05:40 PM
Not here to defend Brokenstars or anything. I live in Brazil and it´s a very multicultural country, and you guys would be quite shocked the things we can say to black friends here, that are considered just a joke. Obv if I say the same thing to randoms, the consequences will be very diferent, and racism is considered a big issue (and punishable if caught).

What I´m trying to say is that I would be way more concerned/disgusted by what ohsnapzbrah typed here, than what OP did. Obv I don´t know how he thinks, and Broken may be a racist pos in the end. I´m assuming he´s not, but who knows.
07-03-2019 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
never liked this guy, just faking graphs for coaching
I don't think he fakes his graphs and his coaching is really legit, I was coached by him and it was a steal for the price I paid.
07-03-2019 , 05:48 PM
thats why your still at 50z after 50 years or what
07-03-2019 , 06:00 PM
[PHP][/PHP]
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
thats why your still at 50z after 50 years or what
K, where have you been all the time? Busto? I heard you are now building your bankroll by stealing the 100$ deposits of your students lol...

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-04-2019 at 09:31 PM.
07-03-2019 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
thats why your still at 50z after 50 years or what
He asks for a price that is affordable for a nl25 reg, so if he can make his students beat 50z for a 5bb winrate then his job is done and totally worth it. Can't expect to beat 500z after getting coached for $100/h, but the things he taught me are still very useful at 100z/200z, a lot of people in those stakes still have leaks that broken taught me to attack very aggressively.
07-03-2019 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by UpDog
Some massive projection going on there buddy lol
Hes literally made 1 word replies and you take that as looking for pity and blame.

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A year ago he won 4k pots and share daily. He also say hourly is over $100. No updates for some time and now he play 50 for low hourly. I heard no joking or laughing in the racist clip. English is not my first language, calling a ****ing black jew c* is not funny to anyone anywhere. Close friends do not joke in that way. I do know broken is white and lives in a white conservative state. 2+2=?
07-03-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sule
[PHP][/PHP]

Khoa were have you been all the time? Busto? I heard you are now building your bankroll by stealing the 100$ deposits of your students lol...
Gotta pay the 1k dollar / month expenses somehow aint we
07-03-2019 , 07:33 PM
I didn't see the clip so I guess it's hard to know the exact context. That said, I get with the modern times and everyone seeing racism under their bed every night this comment coming off as bad as it did.

I know broken quite well though and can confirm he is absolutely not racist. People who just pop into this thread using this situation as a way to dunk on someone they dislike while virtue signaling at the same time should probably re-evaluate their life. I have personally never understood how people can react to viciously to isolated reactionary incidents like this. The dude has been on video providing near free value and entertainment for countless hours while earning majority respect and suddenly he deserves to be socially ostracized as a result of one moment of poor judgement? I don't think its fair for anyone to receive this kind of hate for single moments of poor judgement in speech generally but especially when they have been in public eye for this long with a clean record.

Just my thoughts. Carry on.

Last edited by adam001; 07-03-2019 at 07:40 PM.

      
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