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11-06-2018 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by baannii4

Not a bad one tbf. Better than I’d expect from you. Figured out yet which Baannii woke up today? Try motivational videos on youtube btw.
11-06-2018 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Not a bad one tbf. Better than I’d expect from you. Figured out yet which Baannii woke up today? Try motivational videos on youtube btw.
if someone was stuck at the micros for 6 years would it be an issue with their motivation or are they just really slow?

asking for a friend
11-06-2018 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by baannii4
if someone was stuck at the micros for 6 years would it be an issue with their motivation or are they just really slow?

asking for a friend


Definitely slow. Not surprising a friend of yours is slow. Gotta stick to your own huh.
11-06-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
I know. Getting corrected by the “stuck in micros” troll is painful.
Ha, this will always come back to haunt me.

Btw i think Mzbourg is right here, Turn seems a clear bet to me.
11-06-2018 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
Ha, this will always come back to haunt me.

Btw i think Mzbourg is right here, Turn seems a clear bet to me.
thought you got coached by doug polk?

Spoiler:
i suck at hu, but run a pio sim, very standard
11-06-2018 , 07:29 AM
One of my biggest losing days ever today. Down about 10bi at 500z. bluffcatches/bluffs/value kind of just lost everywhere. Could have definitely played a few spots differently re. bluffs/bluffcatches but sometimes you're just wrong and that's kind of how it goes.

Was up ~4k before today on the month and now negative.

Also kind of frustrated because I usually tell myself not to play mondays and then get this result
11-06-2018 , 07:33 AM
I did but doug hated pio, that being said i'm not sure what he would do here. However that's not what I was basing this off, In these games I am absolutely certain betting>>>checking. Pio be damned, exploitative plays>>>pio on dog, I wouldn't even say it's close.

Should edit and say I'm obv not saying checking is bad, just that I think betting is better here.

Last edited by pontylad; 11-06-2018 at 07:37 AM. Reason: added edit
11-06-2018 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
I did but doug hated pio, that being said i'm not sure what he would do here. However that's not what I was basing this off, In these games I am absolutely certain betting>>>checking. Pio be damned, in general exploitative plays>>>pio on dog, I wouldn't even say it's close.
Pretty sure it doesn't matter even remotely as much as you think it does. That being said my HU game has very very very very few hands in terms of experience (so you could be right). I just run pio sims, memorize stuff, re-run, re-run, node-lock, node-lock run more sims, repeat.
11-06-2018 , 07:46 AM
Not sure what you mean about whether it matters? about being exploitative or playing a pio strategy in certain spots? One is going to have a better ev so obviously we want to choose that path, what path that is here is debatable which is why I was just adding my thoughts too (ev wise it may be similar). I'm not criticising, we all play differently, Pio hates some of the stuff I do anyway haha.
11-06-2018 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
We bet turn a lot more than we check it with 77. You're right about his turn check, but we have a bet here more than a check.

Also sup with the 5x 3bet?

What? If you're saying what I think you're saying you're wrong.
River is 100% fine.
I can get why you think like that, even by agreeing with brokenstars I'll still be betting that 100% in the games I play and you should do the same in the games you play.

A lot of regs aren't capable of going thin and play for stacks with Kx in that spot in the micros/small stakes. But you can't expect the same from a reg at 1knl, by not checking this you would be underestimating him and if he is going thin/bluffing enough this hand makes more money. You also end up with a stronger overal strat by making checks like that.

Btw, broken, haven't you thought that HU is the same as playing BTN vs BB without SB in the middle and with looser ranges for both?
11-06-2018 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Also kind of frustrated because I usually tell myself not to play mondays and then get this result
I know what you mean 100%. Monday (Tuesday my time) is the day I force myself to not play due to my historical data from this year. I am not going to lie, I was very tempted when I saw 500nl at 20+ players
11-06-2018 , 09:27 AM
Yo! congrats on B ring. imbue that **** ASAP
11-06-2018 , 09:56 AM
Is $500NL+ an ego thing? Because if I was casually printing $10-$20k a month at $200NL I would just do that. Or at least I’d have a much more strict shot take allocation.

I know your sample is very small, but I left this forum for 4 months and coming back I see the same posts from you.

“Made $10 million at $200NL, lost $9 million playing higher”
11-06-2018 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Is $500NL+ an ego thing? Because if I was casually printing $10-$20k a month at $200NL I would just do that. Or at least I’d have a much more strict shot take allocation.

I know your sample is very small, but I left this forum for 4 months and coming back I see the same posts from you.

“Made $10 million at $200NL, lost $9 million playing higher”
What? You are misinformed. I'm crushing 500z/500nl and breakeven at 1k over like 3k hands. Unless I run pretty poorly I'll be at 2knl next year. I don't know why anyone would stay at 200nl with a high wr over 250k+ hands.

11-06-2018 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
Not sure what you mean about whether it matters? about being exploitative or playing a pio strategy in certain spots? One is going to have a better ev so obviously we want to choose that path, what path that is here is debatable which is why I was just adding my thoughts too (ev wise it may be similar). I'm not criticising, we all play differently, Pio hates some of the stuff I do anyway haha.


Dont think he even knows what he means. You’re right and PIO agrees with you. We bet turn a lot more than we check it.
11-06-2018 , 01:43 PM
Massive difference whether its K32-7 or K73-2 regarding what you should do with 77, its not rocketscience why this is.

Last edited by doctor877; 11-06-2018 at 02:09 PM. Reason: actually have no clue of HU so not actually sure what to do with 77 here
11-06-2018 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I don't know why anyone would stay at 200nl with a high wr over 250k+ hands.
The same reason Walmart is 10x more valuable than Ferrari.

High volume low price > low volume high price

Cash flow is king in business and when you play 35k hands or whatever and make $20k then play 500 hands and lose $5k you are doing your business a disservice.
11-06-2018 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
The same reason Walmart is 10x more valuable than Ferrari.

High volume low price > low volume high price

Cash flow is king in business and when you play 35k hands or whatever and make $20k then play 500 hands and lose $5k you are doing your business a disservice.
what the hell, u are making a ******ed business decision if you pass up playing higher ev games at bigger stakes, especially if you can still get constant action at the higher stake
11-06-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
The same reason Walmart is 10x more valuable than Ferrari.



High volume low price > low volume high price



Cash flow is king in business and when you play 35k hands or whatever and make $20k then play 500 hands and lose $5k you are doing your business a disservice.


You can not possibly be this dumb.
11-06-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by doctor877
Massive difference whether its K32-7 or K73-2 regarding what you should do with 77, its not rocketscience why this is.
Bet more on K732 yeh?
11-06-2018 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by doctor877
what the hell, u are making a ******ed business decision if you pass up playing higher ev games at bigger stakes, especially if you can still get constant action at the higher stake
Not necessarily, because of the variable you left out, which is variance. Bolded is not possible, and that directly = more variance.
11-06-2018 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Not necessarily, because of the variable you left out, which is variance. Bolded is not possible, and that directly = more variance.
He is adding greatly to his ev on the year playing 500nl/1knl/2knl even if he only gets in 100-150k hands at them btwn them if he has a positive winrate.
11-06-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Not necessarily, because of the variable you left out, which is variance. Bolded is not possible, and that directly = more variance.
Yeah this is why i specified "as long as you get realiable action". If the action there is constant you almost always should take the shot, as long as you have the skill to beat it. If action is constant you can just grind out the variance and come out with higher ev.
11-06-2018 , 05:12 PM
nothing's stopping you from grinding volume at lower stakes when higher stakes games are not running ldo
11-06-2018 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Not necessarily, because of the variable you left out, which is variance. Bolded is not possible, and that directly = more variance.


Look I might not be the best to weigh in but I am pretty sure you should be playing in the game that gives you the highest hourly that you are properly rolled for.

The problem is to be properly rolled for 1k or even 500z if you have that much you probably should be at least considering other investments that will tie up some of that cash.

Poker players in my experience greatly underestimate what it means to be properly rolled. You have to account for the variance in the game and the variance in your spending needs. To often expenses for players rise as fast or faster than their hourly. (This is true of people in general).

For me being properly capitalized to have a family with salary means having one year of liquid cash. That is for zero variance income. Maybe I am overly cautious. I sleep like a rock and have zero financial stress due to it though.

These decisions are personal and each person/situation has its own risks to be weighed.

But my guess is poker players do not consider the value of the future winning enough when making these choices. Running bad at 2k and having to play lower likely hurts you total possible earnings more than most people realize.


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