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12-08-2015 , 07:54 PM
The way you call fun players whales and fish ect... no wonder everyone hates poker pros. Have some manners, these "huge whales" pay the bills
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12-08-2015 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat

you folded AQ... Were you not watching the table at all or something?!! You got lucky though!

scared money...




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Originally Posted by old coot 43
The way you call fun players whales and fish ect... no wonder everyone hates poker pros. Have some manners, these "huge whales" pay the bills
+1, very unethical of u to call them out!
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12-08-2015 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by old coot 43
The way you call fun players whales and fish ect... no wonder everyone hates poker pros. Have some manners, these "huge whales" pay the bills
+1
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12-09-2015 , 03:05 AM
Reason for turn bet with AT?
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12-09-2015 , 05:03 AM
Tuesdays are evening grind, its champions league night you must be a spurs fan!
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12-09-2015 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by birdayy
Reason for turn bet with AT?
#lol_value+block
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12-09-2015 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by old coot 43
The way you call fun players whales and fish ect... no wonder everyone hates poker pros. Have some manners, these "huge whales" pay the bills
Shut up fish.
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12-09-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by old coot 43
The way you call fun players whales and fish ect... no wonder everyone hates poker pros. Have some manners, these "huge whales" pay the bills
sorry if i offended but there aren't even screen names in the hand histories. The fish are unidentifiable. Also since when do recreational players read 2p2 or PG&C? If i was at the table calling fish fish then i totally see what you're saying but i think you've gone a bit over the top here

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Originally Posted by birdayy
Reason for turn bet with AT?
Wanna bet some Ax for value, particularly when he's 3b a lot of smaller suited aces that i can gain value from.

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Originally Posted by welsh-witch1
Tuesdays are evening grind, its champions league night you must be a spurs fan!
hahaha, i don't actually support any football team avidly. I do love watching champions league though so ty for the heads up

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Just finished a brain frying 10 hour grind. Was a total shambles. Ran aaaaabsolutely awful and played even worse for a good chunk in the middle (or the huge downtick from even to -1800). Actually really really pleased to finish less than 1k down. I cannot describe how ridiculous im running at 400 6max. It's unreal. I cannot win a single pot or hold in an all in to save my life.



This was kinda tilting. Not sure what to do otf here. Thoughts welcome:

    Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37187823

    BTN: $400 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)
    BB: $599.13 (149.8 bb)
    UTG: $417 (104.3 bb)
    MP: $152 (38 bb)
    CO: $406 (101.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 8
    2 folds, CO raises to $12, BTN folds, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, CO calls $28

    Flop: ($84) 7 4 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $25.98, CO raises to $85, Hero raises to $360 and is all-in, CO calls $275

    Turn: ($804) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($804) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $804 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 7 4 9 4 9
    Hero showed 6 8 and lost (-$400 net)
    CO showed T T and won $801.20 ($401.20 net)



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    Horrific cooler vs
    Spoiler:
    biiig fish


      Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37187951

      CO: $203 (101.5 bb)
      BTN: $202 (101 bb)
      SB: $229.29 (114.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
      UTG: $213.37 (106.7 bb)
      MP: $230.78 (115.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K T
      UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5, MP calls $5

      Flop: ($22) K T J (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

      Turn: ($22) 6 (3 players)
      Hero bets $14.71, MP calls $14.71, CO folds

      River: ($51.42) K (2 players)
      Hero bets $44.38, MP raises to $88.76, Hero raises to $178.29 and is all-in, MP calls $89.53

      Spoiler:
      Results: $408 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: K T J 6 K
      Hero showed K T and lost (-$200 net)
      MP showed J K and won $405.20 ($205.20 net)



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      Awesome line:

        Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37187952

        SB: $212.06 (106 bb)
        Hero (BB): $209.19 (104.6 bb)
        MP: $268.79 (134.4 bb)
        CO: $201.70 (100.9 bb)
        BTN: $340.15 (170.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
        MP folds, CO raises to $5, BTN calls $5, SB folds, Hero raises to $20, CO folds, BTN calls $15

        Flop: ($46) 9 K K (2 players)
        Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

        Turn: ($86) 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $40, BTN raises to $80, Hero calls $40

        River: ($246) 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $40, Hero raises to $89.19 and is all-in, BTN calls $49.19

        Spoiler:
        Results: $424.38 pot ($2.80 rake)
        Final Board: 9 K K 9 8
        Hero showed Q K and won $421.58 ($212.39 net)
        BTN showed 8 8 and lost (-$209.19 net)



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        Right at the end of the session vs reg:

          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37187953

          SB: $235.20 (117.6 bb)
          BB: $200 (100 bb)
          Hero (MP): $620.46 (310.2 bb)
          CO: $204.67 (102.3 bb)
          BTN: $329.66 (164.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with A 2
          Hero raises to $5, CO folds, BTN calls $5, SB folds, BB calls $3

          Flop: ($16) 9 7 T (3 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $10.70, BTN folds, BB calls $10.70

          Turn: ($37.40) 2 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $28.79, BB raises to $77, Hero calls $48.21

          River: ($191.40) 8 (2 players)
          BB bets $107.30 and is all-in, Hero calls $107.30

          Spoiler:
          Results: $406 pot ($2.80 rake)
          Final Board: 9 7 T 2 8
          BB showed Q J and lost (-$200 net)
          Hero showed A 2 and won $403.20 ($203.20 net)



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          Meant to grind tomorrow but not sure how up for it i'll be after putting in so many hours today.

          Just to vent a bit more here's my yearly 400nl 6max graph:



          Yucky.

          gl guys!
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          12-09-2015 , 07:34 PM
          Don't think its over the top to tell you not to call people fish or whales
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          12-09-2015 , 08:01 PM
          and stop eating meat
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          12-09-2015 , 11:22 PM
          fold pre with 68.

          jamming seems nut worse option iyam. people arnt raise/folding anywhere near enough in 3bpots (even vs 1/3) and even the worse parts of his range kind of crush you.

          Last edited by Burnss; 12-09-2015 at 11:25 PM. Reason: im a fish though, or i could be lying about strat. :)
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          12-09-2015 , 11:34 PM
          His play w TT isnt too glorious either
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          12-10-2015 , 12:01 AM
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          Originally Posted by pontylad
          Shut up fish.
          You're a mod right? You should be setting an example.. not insulting other members
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          12-10-2015 , 12:15 AM
          It's fine when the guy calling a fish a fish is a fish
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          12-10-2015 , 12:42 AM
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          Originally Posted by old coot 43
          You're a mod right? You should be setting an example.. not insulting other members
          I thought my joke was glaringly obvious (even though a little crass)

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by blakkman08
          It's fine when the guy calling a fish a fish is a fish
          banhammer at the ready!
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          12-10-2015 , 01:21 AM
          Im just trolling you pony.. I take no offence.
          But the calling bad/weaker players names like fish super whale ect is def not needed.
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          12-10-2015 , 02:12 AM
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          Originally Posted by pitapita
          Don't think its over the top to tell you not to call people fish or whales
          It's over the top ******ed, yes.
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          12-10-2015 , 03:50 AM
          68s easy fold pre

          and probably just muck flop vs that size, can call if he's raising overpairs tho with bluff equity on the river, since he won't be able to jam a lot of turns on this texture, and will most likely x and fold on a lot of runnouts
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          12-10-2015 , 03:53 AM
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          Originally Posted by TimStone
          His play w TT isnt too glorious either
          pretty sure that most softwares will suggest raise/calling TT as the most EV play there
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          12-10-2015 , 06:59 AM
          68s hand, obv depend how much crap Ben 3b sb vs co, and how much co is opening/defending etc. it isn't the best hand to 3b with pre but definitely not as bad as you guys suggest it is, blocking some part of his calling range and does okay vs his broadway range etc.

          flop, I wouldn't cbet there with 68s vs anyone that have a clue, don't think you get enough fold not mention you get raised a lot of the time then you hate everyoption

          seems like a no brainer c/c spot and we could c/jam a lot of turns
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          12-10-2015 , 10:07 AM
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          Originally Posted by pontylad

          banhammer at the ready!

          one time baby




          Quote:
          Originally Posted by MartimC
          pretty sure that most softwares will suggest raise/calling TT as the most EV play there
          Teh bot im using does not
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          12-10-2015 , 11:34 AM
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          Originally Posted by MartimC
          pretty sure that most softwares will suggest raise/calling TT as the most EV play there
          blocks half the T8s/JTs combos, which are both more than likely suppose to be betting nearly 100% even in a mixed strat(which should make our raising range tighter obv). Maybe raise/calling JJ since it blocks half the combos TT does, but TT seems doubtful, QQ no heart for sure, with heart close-ish? other input variables needed as well...hero's sb 3betting range, flop c-betting range, the 3bet-jamming subset of flop cbet range, etc.


          and what you said might be true in a vacuum but def need to be calling some TT/JJ/QQ with a heart combos to protect our turn calling range, as well as not blocking his combo draws and jams on flop, ie KQhh/JThh etc.


          Not sure the combinatorics/blocker effect is as influential to the ev calc as i think.

          Last edited by shipit2kg; 12-10-2015 at 11:44 AM.
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          12-10-2015 , 11:50 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by TimStone
          Teh bot im using does not
          yeh, i didn't even check tbh
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          12-10-2015 , 03:33 PM
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          Originally Posted by pitapita
          Don't think its over the top to tell you not to call people fish or whales
          well i kinda think it is a bit.

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          Originally Posted by Don Melchor
          and stop eating meat
          NO

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by old coot 43
          Im just trolling you pony.. I take no offence.
          But the calling bad/weaker players names like fish super whale ect is def not needed.
          What do you suggest i do instead? Type out 'this guy is a 50 something vpip player'?

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          Originally Posted by Burnss
          fold pre with 68.

          jamming seems nut worse option iyam. people arnt raise/folding anywhere near enough in 3bpots (even vs 1/3) and even the worse parts of his range kind of crush you.
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by MartimC
          68s easy fold pre

          and probably just muck flop vs that size, can call if he's raising overpairs tho with bluff equity on the river, since he won't be able to jam a lot of turns on this texture, and will most likely x and fold on a lot of runnouts
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          Originally Posted by shipit2kg
          blocks half the T8s/JTs combos, which are both more than likely suppose to be betting nearly 100% even in a mixed strat(which should make our raising range tighter obv). Maybe raise/calling JJ since it blocks half the combos TT does, but TT seems doubtful, QQ no heart for sure, with heart close-ish? other input variables needed as well...hero's sb 3betting range, flop c-betting range, the 3bet-jamming subset of flop cbet range, etc.

          and what you said might be true in a vacuum but def need to be calling some TT/JJ/QQ with a heart combos to protect our turn calling range, as well as not blocking his combo draws and jams on flop, ie KQhh/JThh etc.

          Not sure the combinatorics/blocker effect is as influential to the ev calc as i think.
          Thanks for the feedback guys, i definitely agree that i butchered this hand horribly and shipit2kg, thanks a lot you've really broken it down well. I was quite surprised to see TT for similar reasons that you gave about blocking straight draws. I'm gunna run a sim on that hand when i next do some off table work. Thanks again boys

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ssg
          c/c spot and we could c/jam a lot of turns
          This feels kinda sketch

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          Got about 2 hours sleep last night, just felt so sick all night which was kinda weird. Feeling a lot better now. Started a session and within 65 hands i was stuck 1500. The main one being a redraw at 1k for stacks. Extremely pleased to not have lost again!



          booo vs reg

            Poker Stars, $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37189240

            UTG+1: $1,015 (101.5 bb)
            UTG+2: $934.41 (93.4 bb)
            MP1: $1,000 (100 bb)
            Hero (MP2): $1,000 (100 bb)
            MP3: $1,015 (101.5 bb)
            CO: $1,099.98 (110 bb)
            BTN: $1,000 (100 bb)
            SB: $1,000 (100 bb)
            BB: $479.89 (48 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K A
            UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $20, MP1 folds, Hero calls $20, MP3 raises to $110, 3 folds, BB calls $100, UTG+2 calls $90, Hero raises to $1,000 and is all-in, MP3 raises to $1,015 and is all-in, 2 folds

            Flop: ($2,225) K 6 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: ($2,225) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: ($2,225) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $2,225 pot ($3 rake)
            Final Board: K 6 6 6 T
            Hero showed K A and lost (-$1,000 net)
            MP3 showed T T and won $2,222 ($1,222 net)



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            vs good reg:

              Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37189241

              Hero (CO): $600 (100 bb)
              BTN: $606 (101 bb)
              SB: $261.57 (43.6 bb)
              BB: $613.50 (102.3 bb)
              UTG: $600 (100 bb)
              MP: $624 (104 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with A 9
              UTG folds, MP raises to $13.32, Hero calls $13.32, 2 folds, BB calls $7.32

              Flop: ($42.96) 4 J A (3 players)
              BB checks, MP bets $20.92, Hero calls $20.92, BB folds

              Turn: ($84.80) 9 (2 players)
              MP bets $59.86, Hero calls $59.86

              River: ($204.52) 3 (2 players)
              MP bets $162, Hero calls $162

              Spoiler:
              Results: $528.52 pot ($2.80 rake)
              Final Board: 4 J A 9 3
              Hero showed A 9 and won $525.72 ($269.62 net)
              MP showed Q J and lost (-$256.10 net)



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              woops:

                Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37189242

                CO: $272.97 (136.5 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $204.55 (102.3 bb)
                SB: $201 (100.5 bb)
                BB: $200 (100 bb)
                MP: $208.88 (104.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 7
                2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $18, BB folds, Hero raises to $40, SB calls $22

                Flop: ($82) A 6 4 (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $33.34, SB calls $33.34

                Turn: ($148.68) A (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $131.21 and is all-in, SB calls $127.66 and is all-in

                River: ($404.00) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $404.00 pot ($2.80 rake)
                Final Board: A 6 4 A 2
                Hero showed Q 7 and won $401.20 ($200.20 net)
                SB showed A 5 and lost (-$201 net)



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                Got placement tomorrow. Once every couple of years my sister and husband rent a big place for us all to gather so my gf and i, with a group of their friends are going to a place in Wales for the weekend. Should be a lot of fun!

                gl over the weekend everyone
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                12-10-2015 , 07:25 PM
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                Originally Posted by old coot 43
                Im just trolling you pony.. I take no offence.
                But the calling bad/weaker players names like fish super whale ect is def not needed.
                Ha all good.

                I think context needs to be taken in to consideration with bens posts. He's not trying to insult players by calling them fish or whales.... It's just a way of speeding up the narrative of his thread.

                I think he views it important to let the reader know what type of player the hand happened against. He could write out "this player was extremely loose passive, I saw him call 3 streets with bottom pair in a previous hand but he was unfortunately unlucky. Villain also liked limp/3 betting whenever he had AA and somewhat over valued overpairs no flush draw on 5678 monotone boards". He's not trying to insult the guy just sometimes it's easier to use one or two words rather than a paragraph.
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