What's the thought process behind JJ call down in last hand?
very high vpip, insanely high wwsf, very low w@sd and aggression through the roof for all streets!
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Hard to make pear. V reps only 77. I'm sure he's l00z and agresif
My guess
haha yes this
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Played for 7 hours today, insanely stressful grind. Had so many all ins. Felt i spewed 2 buy ins overall which isn't excusable. So so glad to not have had another losing day
This was one of the big mistakes. The reg is a big loser and is insanely bluffy. Even though that's the case, this call is just garbage:
Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $15, Hero raises to $60, BB folds, UTG calls $45, BTN calls $45
Flop: ($193.20) 3 A T (3 players)
Hero bets $84, UTG calls $84, BTN raises to $379.41 and is all-in, Hero raises to $684.90, UTG calls $600.90
Turn: ($1,942.41) 6 (3 players, 1 is all-in) River: ($1,942.41) J (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $1,942.41 pot ($3.50 rake)
Final Board: 3 A T 6 J
UTG showed 3 3 and won $610.98 (-$135.12 net)
BTN showed T T and won $1,327.93 ($887.32 net)
Hero showed K A and lost (-$746.10 net)
- Playing at a high level
- Able to make objective decisions
- Clearheaded
- Trusting your instincts
- Not overly emotional, but motivated and energetic
- Interested
- Learning from each session/Prepared to work on your game
Did a review with MartimC today which was helpful and gunna be doing a couple more sweats/hh reviews together. The reason so much was orange today was because i was just feeling pretty frustrated and had a bad case of entitlement tilt. Nip that in the bud for tomorrow's grind.
u should prob learn to runer flushes or fold when they have sets. just sayin.
i'm trying to learn, but lessons are costing a lot!
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Originally Posted by Solidthought
Hey nice comeback for the day Ben. Certainly looks like most hands were aipf lol!
Best of luck tomorrow
thanks pete
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Think AK is a fold especially while holding Ks. Regs line is lolstrong
Tight passive fish or loose agrofish? Could see merit to not folding if and only if fish is wide/agro
The fish was a normal fish, wasn't particularly aggro but bad enough to make fundamental mistakes. It seemed quite close at the time but with dead money i couldn't fold
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Originally Posted by Fayth
AK isn't a fold
thanks for the sanity check!
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Originally Posted by TimStone
Folding purrs, wat is this? Pokercanchangeyourlife?
haha, i need to fold more, everyone has nuts every single hand.
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Got smashed at the tables again. Just unreal spots all the time. I did a sweat with martim for about an hour and he helped me address some of my leaks. Unfortunately nothing could save me from the myriad of bad beats/coolers
Thoughts pls vs friend of mine. Really aggro and raises flops a lot.
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
CO raises to $10, Hero raises to $33.80, 2 folds, CO calls $23.80
Flop: ($73.60) 7 9 T (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $53, CO calls $53
Turn: ($179.60) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $141.40, CO raises to $324.10, Hero $171.80 to call
I played a lot tighter today which helped with finding myself in as many marginal spots. My wwsf the past week has been a lot higher (even though i've been losing!) and my redline has steadied too. I put that down to off table work. Very low on confidence but am convinced at the same time that some hard work off the tables and a bit less run bad will sort things.
- Playing at a high level - This is so hard to judge cus i'm coming up with the worst hand so often. However i'm not spewing or making big mistakes. I could definitely take a bit more time over decisions though
- Able to make objective decisions- Wanted to fold some ridiculous spots cus of the 'they always have it' philosophy but i stuck with what i know is highest EV longterm
- Clearheaded
- Trusting your instincts
- Not overly emotional, but motivated and energetic - Starting to feel quite sluggish. I think the downswing is getting to me mentally now
- Interested - So bored throughout
- Learning from each session/Prepared to work on your game - Did the live sweat and will review some hands with the guys this evening
All in all i can see how things are getting to me emotionally but i can do nothing else but play good and be honest with myself about how i am playing.
First KJ has to get in on flop. If i learned one thing in 8 years of poker is that if you run **** you wont in a million years get a safe runout on such a board. So no matter how bad it is from a gto standpoint i will commit right there
sounds like you are taking a good approach to the rough patch lately man, im sure you know from experience this just happens in poker
hands:
first KJ i think is a close fold
2nd KJ calling every time
i'll say i think the sizings in the next two hands are pretty bad but both are bet/calls on the turn
glgl!
cheers mate, appreciate the feedback. I just simmed all of the above which have helped with the sizings i should have chosen. The AA hand likes to check back ott rather than betting though.
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Originally Posted by TimStone
First KJ has to get in on flop. If i learned one thing in 8 years of poker is that if you run **** you wont in a million years get a safe runout on such a board. So no matter how bad it is from a gto standpoint i will commit right there
hahaha, yeah that was in the back of my mind. Felt that calling was higher ev, which again, i was wrong about.
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Originally Posted by Fayth
it's totally fine even from a gto standpoint
yeah, i learnt that today!
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Results:
KJhh - Lost to 222
KJo - Lost to AJss
KQss - Lost to TT
AA - Lost to KJhh
Will be grinding later, been doing study so far today as i just want to gain some confidence in more spots. I'm misplaying a lot of spots, particularly wrt to sizings/betting or checking when i should be doing the opposite. Feels kinda sucky that i'm basically relearning the game every time i hit a downswing but i guess that's just the reality at the moment.
you wanna be careful wrt sizings imo, as far as I can tell, as long as you have option to go big on rivers generally most other sizings have very marginal effects on overall EV. Basically I think it's something which takes ages to study and doesn't really have a ton of effect.
Yeah I would say the further you get from the river the less important sizing is, because obviously hand strengths aren't definite until the river (so you are never truly polarised for example, until the river).
I could be wrong, but the experiments I've ran suggest this is the case, like otf, anything from 25% to 90% has seemed to be close enough that it wouldn't matter what you choose.
Inclined to disagree here. We make EV$ when our opponents make errors with their ranges on flops and turns. Obviously river is the street on which sizings will have the biggest impact on our actual EV, but we definitely improve our winrate by having a more defined strat on the early streets.
I wouldn't go nuts with it. 2 sizings is going to be adequate for most textures. 30% and pot on KQJtt BTN vs BB in a single raised pot, might be an example.
Super hungover today, so I don't feel like I'm articulating very well here. Hope I'm making sense.
A defined strat is nothing to do with sizing though. Yes obviously we need to know how different sizings effect our strategy, but the point I am making is that playing optimally, sizing is going to have a tiny effect on EV.
When preflop solving came out, I was actually super uncomfortable on how it was done and spent a bit of time basically proving to myself that sizing on flops and turns (and even rivers to a large extent) is not important. It's fairly easy to prove just running two seperate sims with the dif options and comparing root EVS.
Obviously from an exploit approach some sizings are going to be far better, but for a basic gameplan I feel quite strongly spending a lot of time on it, and particularly using two sizings on the flop, is a waste of mental effort and time compared to other ways you can be improving. It's literally something people seem to have obsessed over for so long, even going to preflop open raise sizes etc.
Guess I'm kind of free-rolling myself by fighting my corner here, could save people a lot of time, but free coaching advertisement I guess
Also though, this is all in theory and pretty different to how I'd play in game, it's fairly easy to see that if people aren't pio and adjusting perfectly, certain hands benefit from certain sizings in a vacuum. From what I've seen, even Anagod realised this and had some pretty specific ranges for example that he'd overbet pots with in 3bet pots, because noone was going to do anything about it at MSNL.
Thanks for the feedback guys. That's a lot to think about and tbh, i'm too brain fried right now to consider all points and say anything coherent
What i will take away is to not spend too much time on something that won't pay dividends. I'm just gunna continue to improve in any way possible. Sizing just happened to be a starting point.
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Originally Posted by MrSpew
so what your saying is, we can just mash buttons and print...
Oh and many many this ^
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Well it happened, we had a winning day. Feels very strange to run good in spots and actually win flips.
vs reg. Is this too thin? Figured he shouldn't really have 22/33, obviously has 99 a lot but then also a ton of missed FD's and Jx that have to bet call:
- Playing at a high level
- Able to make objective decisions
- Clearheaded
- Trusting your instincts - Maybe too much as i made an absolutely outrageous exploi fold...
- Not overly emotional, but motivated and energetic
- Interested
- Learning from each session/Prepared to work on your game- Reviewed hands from yesterday for over an hour before grinding
AJ hand there is probably a fish to act behind pre, so villain has all 22/33 on flop right? some regs will still have all 22/33 on river i think. FD's will obv fold and we beat 3 combos of Jx (JTcc QJcc KJcc). some regs might fold those 3 combos. idk it seems bad but maybe i'm missing something. could he have QJo and KJo because juicy whale in the blinds?
AJ hand there is probably a fish to act behind pre, so villain has all 22/33 on flop right? some regs will still have all 22/33 on river i think. FD's will obv fold and we beat 3 combos of Jx (JTcc QJcc KJcc). some regs might fold those 3 combos. idk it seems bad but maybe i'm missing something. could he have QJo and KJo because juicy whale in the blinds?
thanks man! yeah a couple of people have said similar to you. I think river sizing is indicative of strength and i should just call. Someone said x/f river would be best. I'm clearly out my depth There was a whale in the bb fwiw. I agree, shoving river is bad
Rating myself today seems a bit silly cus i just had great spots...
- Playing at a high level
- Able to make objective decisions
- Clearheaded
- Trusting your instincts
- Not overly emotional, but motivated and energetic
- Interested
- Learning from each session/Prepared to work on your game
Got a few more days to grind this month. I didn't mention that i'm going away with my gf to Lyme Regis this weekend for a relaxed weekend by the sea. Really excited for some time away from the tables/London.
Let's hope i can continue this new found form till the end of the week!