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07-04-2011 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by baohoa
on this particular board i guess he must have picked up something: at least a pair, pair + draw or a combo of these. i don't see raising as an option. this board smashes his range rather than yours, and you would make him fold only the few bluffs he can have here. it's more likely a fold to me (a Q is not that great card on this board , any diamond either so we're relying on 2 outs if villain has only one pair, and the times we are ahead he has good equity).
flatting IP is not criminal, but if villain is likely to dub the turn as well you're going to burn money most of the times.
vs. donk bets on drawy boards like these i tend to let it go if i don't have much equity.
also this donkbet is not so weak in terms of size. did he always donk half pot when he folded?
I can't remember but one case when he donked 1/3 pot w/ TPGK. Most of the time he donked half pot. Some weeks ago I tried to bluff raise such donk bets but I had limited success.

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Originally Posted by YouFaiil
raise him on dry boards, but be patient and wait for one, dont spew and raise him on a wet board like the one in your example.
Yeah, that seems logical. I folded here but I was quite irritated because I couldn't flop a hand against him.

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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
thats a terrible time to value bet 1/3 pot. Youre ahead like 90% and unless your expecting him to call you w/ 78 or some such trash, hes gonna call the same amount for 3/4 as he will for 1/3
I don't expect him to hold 78 here. I agree with you that if he calls a small bet, he also calls a bigger one. I don't think I'm ahead 90%: he was a nit and called two streets on an A-high board. IMHO his range OTR: AT, AJ, AQ, 55, 99. Can we b/f 3/4 pot given his stack size?
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07-04-2011 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
thats a terrible time to value bet 1/3 pot. Youre ahead like 90% and unless your expecting him to call you w/ 78 or some such trash, hes gonna call the same amount for 3/4 as he will for 1/3
it's more a blocking bet (that is why i like a check too) than a value bet. it's pretty thin to valuebet here vs. this guy imho.
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07-04-2011 , 04:42 PM
A shorter winning session today.



Villain was unknown. Do we check back or b/c or b/f OTT as played?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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    SB: $9.41 (94.1 bb)
    BB: $5.87 (58.7 bb)
    CO: $1.79 (17.9 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $10.93 (109.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
    CO folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.70) 4 T T (2 players)
    SB bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52

    Turn: ($1.74) T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ???


    In the second hand villain was an aggrodonk (41/34 over 32 hands). He hadn't faced a 3bet yet. He was overly aggro postflop too (AF: 61%). How should I have played the hand?

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      UTG: $9.12 (91.2 bb)
      MP: $8.22 (82.2 bb)
      CO: $6.30 (63 bb)
      BTN: $20.72 (207.2 bb)
      Hero (SB): $12.11 (121.1 bb)
      BB: $11.16 (111.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.32, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.27, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.74) K 7 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

      Turn: ($1.94) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

      River: ($3.54) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP checks
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      07-04-2011 , 04:50 PM
      AA bet turn for value. it's more a b/f than a b/c as i don't think many players can bluff on that turn card. he could overvalue a FH but he would prolly dub the turn with it.

      KQs hand well played imo. you get value from his bluffs with this line.
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      07-05-2011 , 02:20 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by baohoa
      AA bet turn for value. it's more a b/f than a b/c as i don't think many players can bluff on that turn card. he could overvalue a FH but he would prolly dub the turn with it.
      Exactly. When he checks back on this turn he either has a T or is very weak. I mean most of the time. Is it true?

      I checked back b/c of this and he bet around 2/3 pot on a blank river. Can I raise for value?
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      07-05-2011 , 02:53 AM
      yep certainly raise for value otr as played. whether it is a raise/get it in or a raise/fold depends on your reads on villain. but most of the times it's a raise/get it in.
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      07-05-2011 , 03:18 AM
      Yeah, thx. I just called and he was on a bluff. There were two similar situations yesterday where I was afraid of raising for (thin?) value. Oh well, there are so much room for improvement left...
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      07-05-2011 , 04:09 PM
      A BE but otherwise terrible day. W$WSF: 35%. I still think this is the main problem.



      In the first hand villain was a 43/11 fish (over only 30 hands), F2CB: 40%, raise CB: 40%. Can I call his min raise OTT given his stack size?

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        BB: $10 (100 bb)
        MP: $5.47 (54.7 bb)
        CO: $4.85 (48.5 bb)
        BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
        Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with Q K
        MP folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB folds, CO calls $0.30

        Flop: ($0.90) 5 6 Q (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.64, CO calls $0.64

        Turn: ($2.18) 7 (2 players)
        Hero bets $1.56, CO raises to $3.12, Hero folds

        Results: $5.30 pot ($0.26 rake)
        Final Board: 5 6 Q 7
        CO mucked and won $5.04 ($2.44 net)
        Hero mucked Q K and lost (-$2.60 net)


        In the second hand villain was completely unknown but seemed fishy.

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          SB: $8 (80 bb)
          Hero (BB): $10.23 (102.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J 2
          SB completes, Hero checks

          Flop: ($0.20) J 2 9 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.17, SB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.43

          Turn: ($1.40) 4 (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

          River: ($3) K (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB bets $6.50 and is all-in, Hero folds

          Results: $3 pot ($0.14 rake)
          Final Board: J 2 9 4 K
          SB mucked and won $2.86 ($1.36 net)
          Hero mucked J 2 and lost (-$1.50 net)


          In the third hand villain was a huge aggrodonk fish (74/68) who always min opened and never folded to a 3bet (0/5). He wasn't overly aggro postflop.

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            CO: $13.60 (136 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $10.85 (108.5 bb)
            SB: $9.80 (98 bb)
            BB: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
            UTG: $16.92 (169.2 bb)
            MP: $3.40 (34 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
            2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.80

            Flop: ($2.15) J 3 6 (2 players)
            CO checks, Hero checks

            Turn: ($2.15) 5 (2 players)
            CO checks, Hero checks

            River: ($2.15) 3 (2 players)
            CO bets $2.60, Hero folds

            Results: $2.15 pot ($0.10 rake)
            Final Board: J 3 6 5 3
            CO mucked and won $2.05 ($1.05 net)
            Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$1 net)
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            07-06-2011 , 03:59 PM
            Another winning day but I'm still very unhappy w/ my game.



            In the first hand villain was a huge fish... BTW have you realized how often I have written this? I think 80% of my HH's posted here start like this. Anyway, back to the hand. Our villain was playing 49/38, no relevant postflop stats. What do you think of my line?

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              SB: $10 (100 bb)
              BB: $14.97 (149.7 bb)
              Hero (MP): $10 (100 bb)
              CO: $8.46 (84.6 bb)
              BTN: $10 (100 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP with J A
              Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds

              Flop: ($0.95) T J 9 (2 players)
              Hero bets $0.81, CO raises to $1.62, Hero calls $0.81

              Turn: ($4.19) 5 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO checks

              River: ($4.19) 8 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO checks


              Another huge fish in the second hand: 74/4, postflop very passive.

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                UTG: $21.03 (210.3 bb)
                MP: $4.62 (46.2 bb)
                CO: $10.31 (103.1 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
                SB: $10.86 (108.6 bb)
                BB: $8.75 (87.5 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 7
                UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30

                Flop: ($0.95) 6 T Q (2 players)
                UTG checks, Hero checks

                Turn: ($0.95) A (2 players)
                UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

                River: ($2.15) A (2 players)
                UTG checks, Hero checks
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                07-07-2011 , 11:44 AM
                I read only the first page, but when I started I had similar red line as Yours, now Its at least flat and when I play my A game Its going straight up. Two things that I think will make a difference are:
                - 3betting and squeezing more (I`m sure You heard It before in this thread)
                - stealing more pots by bluffing, use the board and position
                What I suggest You should do is to use 70-100$ as your learning funds - dont be bother If You lose It, but be with It more aggressive and less scared. Make some moves You normally wouldnt do cause they are not "safe" - get out from Your comfort zone.

                Few of my hands with NS winnings from yesterday



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                  SB: $41.76 (167 bb)
                  BB: $22.80 (91.2 bb)
                  UTG: $25 (100 bb)
                  MP: $50.43 (201.7 bb)
                  CO: $8.72 (34.9 bb)
                  Hero (BTN): $32.47 (129.9 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                  UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

                  Flop: ($1.85) 4 2 4 (2 players)
                  UTG bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

                  Turn: ($3.95) 9 (2 players)
                  UTG bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5.25, UTG folds




                  Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                  Not much He can have there except pocket pair (probably not a high one) or two overcards, He`s a NIT/TAG and probably wont be comitting too much money with It = probably will fold to a raise.


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                    BTN: $25.59 (102.4 bb)
                    SB: $19.04 (76.2 bb)
                    BB: $47.42 (189.7 bb)
                    Hero (UTG): $46.91 (187.6 bb)
                    MP: $26.62 (106.5 bb)
                    CO: $25.35 (101.4 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J A
                    Hero raises to $0.68, 4 folds, BB calls $0.43

                    Flop: ($1.46) 3 Q A (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.92, BB calls $0.92

                    Turn: ($3.30) 6 (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $2.07, BB calls $2.07

                    River: ($7.44) 6 (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $12.50, BB folds




                    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                    If He has anything else than A (flush draw), hes not calling our river bet, so Its a split unless we overbet It, then he might fold an A (if He has one). Look for spots like this one, cause they will add to your winnings.

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                      BB: $10 (40 bb)
                      MP: $26.94 (107.8 bb)
                      Hero (CO): $32.85 (131.4 bb)
                      BTN: $25 (100 bb)
                      SB: $43.64 (174.6 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 K
                      MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds

                      Flop: ($1.85) 6 6 J (2 players)
                      MP bets $1.33, Hero calls $1.33

                      Turn: ($4.51) 3 (2 players)
                      MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $7.15, Hero raises to $30.77 and is all-in, MP folds




                      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                      This was based on our previous hands at this table and this is definitely a high risk play but I knew he was gonna check raise bluff me on turn so I went with my read and wasnt scared to do so.

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                        BB: $39.45 (157.8 bb)
                        CO: $51.98 (207.9 bb)
                        Hero (BTN): $56.86 (227.4 bb)
                        SB: $59.55 (238.2 bb)

                        Preflop: ($0.20) Hero is BTN with 7 T
                        CO raises to $0.87, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.90, BB folds, CO calls $2.13

                        Flop: ($9.45) 7 J J (3 players)
                        SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5.93, SB folds, CO calls $5.93

                        Turn: ($21.31) K (2 players)
                        CO checks, Hero checks

                        River: ($21.31) 5 (2 players)
                        CO bets $13.25, Hero raises to $47.88 and is all-in, CO folds




                        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                        It wont always work but giving up and folding wont win this pot for sure.This one I could pull only because we were deep, turn was K, He bet river, He bet that much on river and He wasnt a total donk.


                        My advice is to look for spots where You could take the pot down with a bet, raise, shove. My second advice is - dont overdo It cause It can easily turn into disaster.


                        Ps. In that last hand why river check?
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                        07-07-2011 , 12:10 PM
                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by Woytas
                        What I suggest You should do is to use 70-100$ as your learning funds - dont be bother If You lose It, but be with It more aggressive and less scared. Make some moves You normally wouldnt do cause they are not "safe" - get out from Your comfort zone.
                        That was my original plan too: I was ready to lose 20 BI ($200) if necessary. Actually I'm still ready to do so.

                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by Woytas
                          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                          SB: $41.76 (167 bb)
                          BB: $22.80 (91.2 bb)
                          UTG: $25 (100 bb)
                          MP: $50.43 (201.7 bb)
                          CO: $8.72 (34.9 bb)
                          Hero (BTN): $32.47 (129.9 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                          UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

                          Flop: ($1.85) 4 2 4 (2 players)
                          UTG bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

                          Turn: ($3.95) 9 (2 players)
                          UTG bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5.25, UTG folds




                          Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                          Not much He can have there except pocket pair (probably not a high one) or two overcards, He`s a NIT/TAG and probably wont be comitting too much money with It = probably will fold to a raise.
                          That's (floating) the area I'm currently working on. Given his bet sizes your line seems fine.

                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by Woytas
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                            BTN: $25.59 (102.4 bb)
                            SB: $19.04 (76.2 bb)
                            BB: $47.42 (189.7 bb)
                            Hero (UTG): $46.91 (187.6 bb)
                            MP: $26.62 (106.5 bb)
                            CO: $25.35 (101.4 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is UTG with J A
                            Hero raises to $0.68, 4 folds, BB calls $0.43

                            Flop: ($1.46) 3 Q A (2 players)
                            BB checks, Hero bets $0.92, BB calls $0.92

                            Turn: ($3.30) 6 (2 players)
                            BB checks, Hero bets $2.07, BB calls $2.07

                            River: ($7.44) 6 (2 players)
                            BB checks, Hero bets $12.50, BB folds




                            Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                            If He has anything else than A (flush draw), hes not calling our river bet, so Its a split unless we overbet It, then he might fold an A (if He has one). Look for spots like this one, cause they will add to your winnings.
                            I can't see why overbetting is good here?!? He won't call w/ worse and won't call w/ better.

                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by Woytas
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                              BB: $10 (40 bb)
                              MP: $26.94 (107.8 bb)
                              Hero (CO): $32.85 (131.4 bb)
                              BTN: $25 (100 bb)
                              SB: $43.64 (174.6 bb)

                              Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 K
                              MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds

                              Flop: ($1.85) 6 6 J (2 players)
                              MP bets $1.33, Hero calls $1.33

                              Turn: ($4.51) 3 (2 players)
                              MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $7.15, Hero raises to $30.77 and is all-in, MP folds




                              Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                              This was based on our previous hands at this table and this is definitely a high risk play but I knew he was gonna check raise bluff me on turn so I went with my read and wasnt scared to do so.
                              That seems to me spewy. There are only a very few villains (and spots) at NL10 where this would work.

                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by Woytas
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                                BB: $39.45 (157.8 bb)
                                CO: $51.98 (207.9 bb)
                                Hero (BTN): $56.86 (227.4 bb)
                                SB: $59.55 (238.2 bb)

                                Preflop: ($0.20) Hero is BTN with 7 T
                                CO raises to $0.87, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.90, BB folds, CO calls $2.13

                                Flop: ($9.45) 7 J J (3 players)
                                SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5.93, SB folds, CO calls $5.93

                                Turn: ($21.31) K (2 players)
                                CO checks, Hero checks

                                River: ($21.31) 5 (2 players)
                                CO bets $13.25, Hero raises to $47.88 and is all-in, CO folds




                                Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


                                It wont always work but giving up and folding wont win this pot for sure.This one I could pull only because we were deep, turn was K, He bet river, He bet that much on river and He wasnt a total donk.
                                This seems also a bit spewy to me. Do you think if it works often enough?

                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by Woytas
                                My advice is to look for spots where You could take the pot down with a bet, raise, shove. My second advice is - dont overdo It cause It can easily turn into disaster.
                                I don't know: I'm not sure I can hand read well enough to try this out.

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                                Originally Posted by Woytas
                                Ps. In that last hand why river check?
                                Villain was very passive and I though he only bets w/ an A OTT. OTR I thought he had a weak A but my was weak too. Perhaps I should have tried to bet small to get a crying call from a Qx or a weaker A.

                                EDIT: Thx for the tips!
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                                07-07-2011 , 03:55 PM
                                Finally a successful day which can give me (back) some confidence. I'm not completely happy though as my red line was in free fall at the end of the day.



                                Let's see some hands though. In the first one MP was a tight player (18/14) but CO was a fish (51/15, 11.5% 3bet over 83 hands). How do we play preflop? If I 4bet and the MP shoves I'm definitely crushed and have to fold. If I just call then I have to play OOP against possibly two opponents. Finally I don't want to fold having the fish in the pot.

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                                  MP: $10.32 (103.2 bb)
                                  CO: $12.53 (125.3 bb)
                                  BTN: $10.29 (102.9 bb)
                                  SB: $7.57 (75.7 bb)
                                  Hero (BB): $10.41 (104.1 bb)
                                  UTG: $10 (100 bb)

                                  Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
                                  UTG folds, MP raises to $0.40, CO raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero ???


                                  In the second hand villain was a huge fish (88/16). He wasn't particularly aggro postflop but he couldn't fold and it was the second time when he raised a cb (out of 7). Easy fold?

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                                    MP: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
                                    CO: $8 (80 bb)
                                    BTN: $10.67 (106.7 bb)
                                    SB: $9.60 (96 bb)
                                    Hero (BB): $12.11 (121.1 bb)

                                    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
                                    2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.30

                                    Flop: ($0.85) 5 3 J (2 players)
                                    Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero ???


                                    In the third hand SB was 51/15 and BB was a 58/8. None of them was too aggro postflop but they couldn't fold either. Can I do anything but fold?

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                                      BTN: $10 (100 bb)
                                      SB: $18.40 (184 bb)
                                      BB: $8.15 (81.5 bb)
                                      UTG: $7.75 (77.5 bb)
                                      Hero (MP): $11.45 (114.5 bb)
                                      CO: $11.19 (111.9 bb)

                                      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
                                      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

                                      Flop: ($1.20) 2 7 J (3 players)
                                      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.02, SB calls $1.02, BB raises to $3.20, Hero ???


                                      Finally a hand where I'm not sure if slowplaying can be correct. Villain was an aggrodonk (57/35, 4/12 raise cb, 44% turn AF). Against him I'm ready to stack off but is raising the best OTF?

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                                        CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                        BTN: $5.71 (57.1 bb)
                                        Hero (SB): $10.24 (102.4 bb)
                                        BB: $12.19 (121.9 bb)
                                        UTG: $11.35 (113.5 bb)
                                        MP: $10 (100 bb)

                                        Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
                                        4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

                                        Flop: ($0.60) T 4 K (2 players)
                                        Hero bets $0.51, BB raises to $1.02, Hero ???
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                                        07-08-2011 , 08:46 AM
                                        Short update after my afternoon session. Flop cbet: 48,3%, cbet success: 21.4%.



                                        Two hands to discuss. In the first one villain was an unknown LAG (33/28, no relevant postflop stats). Can we stack off OTT?

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                                          CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                          Hero (BTN): $11.29 (112.9 bb)
                                          SB: $10 (100 bb)
                                          BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
                                          UTG: $12.90 (129 bb)
                                          MP: $8.29 (82.9 bb)

                                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
                                          3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

                                          Flop: ($0.55) A 6 7 (2 players)
                                          BB checks, Hero bets $0.47, BB calls $0.47

                                          Turn: ($1.49) 7 (2 players)
                                          BB checks, Hero bets $1.27, BB raises to $3, Hero ???


                                          In the second hand villain was a fishy (38/8, F2CB: 60%, bet IP vs missed CB: 2/8) player. Played horribly?

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                                            SB: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
                                            BB: $10 (100 bb)
                                            UTG: $4 (40 bb)
                                            MP: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
                                            Hero (CO): $11.28 (112.8 bb)
                                            BTN: $16.79 (167.9 bb)

                                            Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 A
                                            2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

                                            Flop: ($0.75) A Q 9 (2 players)
                                            Hero checks, BTN bets $1.60, Hero folds


                                            Plans for the next weeks:
                                            • I have successfully withdrawn most of my BR but redeposited $200 again so that I can grind a $40 bonus. I have 20 days for it.
                                            • After that I will change a bit how I play: I will reduce the number of parallel tables to two (currently playing 4) and I will try to win as many pots as possible. My game is too robotic ATM which doesn't help to improve (along with my red line).
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                                            07-08-2011 , 11:55 AM
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                                            Originally Posted by furkae
                                            Finally a successful day which can give me (back) some confidence. I'm not completely happy though as my red line was in free fall at the end of the day.



                                            Let's see some hands though. In the first one MP was a tight player (18/14) but CO was a fish (51/15, 11.5% 3bet over 83 hands). How do we play preflop? If I 4bet and the MP shoves I'm definitely crushed and have to fold. If I just call then I have to play OOP against possibly two opponents. Finally I don't want to fold having the fish in the pot.

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                                              MP: $10.32 (103.2 bb)
                                              CO: $12.53 (125.3 bb)
                                              BTN: $10.29 (102.9 bb)
                                              SB: $7.57 (75.7 bb)
                                              Hero (BB): $10.41 (104.1 bb)
                                              UTG: $10 (100 bb)

                                              Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
                                              UTG folds, MP raises to $0.40, CO raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero ???


                                              In the second hand villain was a huge fish (88/16). He wasn't particularly aggro postflop but he couldn't fold and it was the second time when he raised a cb (out of 7). Easy fold?

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                                                MP: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
                                                CO: $8 (80 bb)
                                                BTN: $10.67 (106.7 bb)
                                                SB: $9.60 (96 bb)
                                                Hero (BB): $12.11 (121.1 bb)

                                                Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
                                                2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.30

                                                Flop: ($0.85) 5 3 J (2 players)
                                                Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero ???


                                                In the third hand SB was 51/15 and BB was a 58/8. None of them was too aggro postflop but they couldn't fold either. Can I do anything but fold?

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                                                  BTN: $10 (100 bb)
                                                  SB: $18.40 (184 bb)
                                                  BB: $8.15 (81.5 bb)
                                                  UTG: $7.75 (77.5 bb)
                                                  Hero (MP): $11.45 (114.5 bb)
                                                  CO: $11.19 (111.9 bb)

                                                  Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
                                                  UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

                                                  Flop: ($1.20) 2 7 J (3 players)
                                                  SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.02, SB calls $1.02, BB raises to $3.20, Hero ???


                                                  Finally a hand where I'm not sure if slowplaying can be correct. Villain was an aggrodonk (57/35, 4/12 raise cb, 44% turn AF). Against him I'm ready to stack off but is raising the best OTF?

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                                                    CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                                    BTN: $5.71 (57.1 bb)
                                                    Hero (SB): $10.24 (102.4 bb)
                                                    BB: $12.19 (121.9 bb)
                                                    UTG: $11.35 (113.5 bb)
                                                    MP: $10 (100 bb)

                                                    Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
                                                    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

                                                    Flop: ($0.60) T 4 K (2 players)
                                                    Hero bets $0.51, BB raises to $1.02, Hero ???

                                                    QQ hand meh...what's original raiser foldv3bet? i would cold 4bet here to isolate the fish tbh. being oop i'm not sure i like flatting.

                                                    88 hand fold, especially oop. these folds will make you improve your redline

                                                    QQ hand again fold...frustrating huh?

                                                    AA i think you can go either way. but being oop i prefer 3betting otf here. villain is probably not folding a K or a draw here. if we flat he has the chance of checking back ott. if he has a T he's folding otf or checking ott so we don't lose that much value imho
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                                                    07-08-2011 , 11:59 AM
                                                    Quote:
                                                    Originally Posted by furkae
                                                    Short update after my afternoon session. Flop cbet: 48,3%, cbet success: 21.4%.



                                                    Two hands to discuss. In the first one villain was an unknown LAG (33/28, no relevant postflop stats). Can we stack off OTT?

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                                                      CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                                      Hero (BTN): $11.29 (112.9 bb)
                                                      SB: $10 (100 bb)
                                                      BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
                                                      UTG: $12.90 (129 bb)
                                                      MP: $8.29 (82.9 bb)

                                                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
                                                      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

                                                      Flop: ($0.55) A 6 7 (2 players)
                                                      BB checks, Hero bets $0.47, BB calls $0.47

                                                      Turn: ($1.49) 7 (2 players)
                                                      BB checks, Hero bets $1.27, BB raises to $3, Hero ???


                                                      In the second hand villain was a fishy (38/8, F2CB: 60%, bet IP vs missed CB: 2/8) player. Played horribly?

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                                                        SB: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
                                                        BB: $10 (100 bb)
                                                        UTG: $4 (40 bb)
                                                        MP: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
                                                        Hero (CO): $11.28 (112.8 bb)
                                                        BTN: $16.79 (167.9 bb)

                                                        Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 A
                                                        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

                                                        Flop: ($0.75) A Q 9 (2 players)
                                                        Hero checks, BTN bets $1.60, Hero folds


                                                        Plans for the next weeks:
                                                        • I have successfully withdrawn most of my BR but redeposited $200 again so that I can grind a $40 bonus. I have 20 days for it.
                                                        • After that I will change a bit how I play: I will reduce the number of parallel tables to two (currently playing 4) and I will try to win as many pots as possible. My game is too robotic ATM which doesn't help to improve (along with my red line).
                                                        AK hand i would flat ott. villain is repping very thin and we're IP. i don't think he's stacking off with worse here as he would prolly 3bet a strong A preflop.
                                                        and anyway we can get value from that hand otr as well.

                                                        A3 hand: you have to cbet here, you get calls from Qx and broadways. if we check is to check call, and should do it vs. a player who bets more vs. missed cbets imo. if you get called otf you can check/call the turn.
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                                                        07-08-2011 , 12:52 PM
                                                        Quote:
                                                        Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                        QQ hand meh...what's original raiser foldv3bet? i would cold 4bet here to isolate the fish tbh. being oop i'm not sure i like flatting.
                                                        That was my thought process too so I 4bet and the fish called. I was lucky enough to flop a set...

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                                                        Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                        QQ hand again fold...frustrating huh?
                                                        I almost shoved but ended up folding. Obviously both of them was ahead of me...

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                                                        Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                        AA i think you can go either way. but being oop i prefer 3betting otf here. villain is probably not folding a K or a draw here. if we flat he has the chance of checking back ott. if he has a T he's folding otf or checking ott so we don't lose that much value imho
                                                        I could have called to let him bluff OTT too. The flop was dry enough to do so.

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                                                        Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                        AK hand i would flat ott. villain is repping very thin and we're IP. i don't think he's stacking off with worse here as he would prolly 3bet a strong A preflop.
                                                        and anyway we can get value from that hand otr as well.
                                                        And x/c river?

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                                                        Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                        A3 hand: you have to cbet here, you get calls from Qx and broadways. if we check is to check call, and should do it vs. a player who bets more vs. missed cbets imo. if you get called otf you can check/call the turn.
                                                        I wanted to x/c to pot control but he overbet OTF! Still a x/c as played?

                                                        Thx for the answers!
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                                                        07-08-2011 , 01:32 PM
                                                        AA hand if you 3bet otf you have the chance to make him stack off with worse, like an oesd or a K. if he's drawing he might check behind ott. oop i tend not to slowplay, even though vs. this villain could work.

                                                        AK hand yeah, cc otr imho. if you lead he's not calling with worse but maybe an A, which should bet himself anyway so it's not that we're losing value. it's hard for villain to have a real hand here so i would call a river bet most of the times vs. this villain.

                                                        A3 hand by not betting you give up the lead oop which kind of put you ina weird spot when he overbets. as played folding is not that bad ofc, but that overbet is kinda ******ed
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                                                        07-08-2011 , 03:14 PM
                                                        Look at this if you want to see a funny (weird looking) graph:



                                                        One hand to mention: villain was 20/14 reg. On another table I had seen him isolate 5bb w/ AA so I thought I'd just flat call his raise preflop. He cbet 2/4. How do we play OTF?

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                                                          UTG: $3.72 (37.2 bb)
                                                          MP: $11.08 (110.8 bb)
                                                          CO: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
                                                          BTN: $9.54 (95.4 bb)
                                                          SB: $24.04 (240.4 bb)
                                                          Hero (BB): $10.69 (106.9 bb)

                                                          Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
                                                          UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, UTG folds

                                                          Flop: ($1.05) T 8 2 (2 players)
                                                          Hero ???
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                                                          07-08-2011 , 03:25 PM
                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                          AA hand if you 3bet otf you have the chance to make him stack off with worse, like an oesd or a K. if he's drawing he might check behind ott. oop i tend not to slowplay, even though vs. this villain could work.
                                                          Normally nor do I but this spot seemed to be perfect for slowplaying and trying to trap him. Unfortunately I ended up raising and he folded.

                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                          AK hand yeah, cc otr imho. if you lead he's not calling with worse but maybe an A, which should bet himself anyway so it's not that we're losing value. it's hard for villain to have a real hand here so i would call a river bet most of the times vs. this villain.
                                                          I don't know... I showed enough strength and I don't think he had enough bluffs and worse A in his range that I can call this and a possible river bet. He was a laggy player so he could have easily had a 7.

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                                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                          A3 hand by not betting you give up the lead oop which kind of put you ina weird spot when he overbets. as played folding is not that bad ofc, but that overbet is kinda ******ed
                                                          Playing OOP sucks so much. He could have had anything but I didn't want to barell 3 streets so I decided to x/c two streets. And then he suddenly overbets...
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                                                          07-08-2011 , 06:34 PM
                                                          idk, ak hand, i don't see many 7s in a BB cold calling range vs. BTN if villain is decent. he's repping 66,77...that's it. vs. your wide range from the BTN he could overvalue an ace, i lately see people in the 6max foum playing tp like this, and random bluffs. of course if you don't feel like clling a river bet then folding ott is better but i'd call here.

                                                          Last AK hand i like flatting here pre even oop, especially if limper is a huge fish. CR seems standard. donk+3bet maybe ok too, idk if many people would like it though. to overs+nfd i'm probably never folding vs. this villain.
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                                                          07-09-2011 , 07:21 AM
                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                          idk, ak hand, i don't see many 7s in a BB cold calling range vs. BTN if villain is decent. he's repping 66,77...that's it. vs. your wide range from the BTN he could overvalue an ace, i lately see people in the 6max foum playing tp like this, and random bluffs. of course if you don't feel like clling a river bet then folding ott is better but i'd call here.
                                                          The question is if we can call OTT/OTR profitably against an unknown. He was laggy preflop but I'm not sure if we can conclude that he is spewy postflop. On the other hand you're right that he wasn't repping too much.

                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                                          Last AK hand i like flatting here pre even oop, especially if limper is a huge fish. CR seems standard. donk+3bet maybe ok too, idk if many people would like it though. to overs+nfd i'm probably never folding vs. this villain.
                                                          Yeah, I was scared to x/r although it's the easiest move ever.
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                                                          07-09-2011 , 04:02 PM
                                                          I have finished the 14th week of my challenge. If you look at my graph you may notice a 1.5 BI losses at the very end of it. I flopped two sets in three hands but lost with both of them (although misplayed the first one). Because of the recently losses I have played a bit tighter and more straightforwardly postflop this week but at least I won again.



                                                          My stats:
                                                          • Volume: 49,387 hands (this week: 4,001)
                                                          • VP$IP/PFR: 22.4/18.8 (this week 20.9/17.4)
                                                          • 3bet: 4.5 (this week: 3.9)
                                                          • Flop c-bet: 65.1% (this week: 55.7%)
                                                          • Win-rate: 3.22 bb/100 (this week: 13.02 bb/100 // This is the only thing I'm really happy with)
                                                          • WR w/o SD: -12.72 bb/100 (this week: -16.42 bb/100 // Tragical...)
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                                                          07-10-2011 , 04:00 PM
                                                          I have still very big problems w/ my red line but I'm winning and this is the only thing which matters after that long BE stretch.



                                                          In the first hand the OR (UTG) was a tighter reg (19/15 but he was positionally unaware). BTN was a fish (78/24) and BB was fishy too. I didn't want to just call as I didn't want to be in a 4-way flop OOP. What to do OTF?

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                                                            MP: $6.30 (63 bb)
                                                            CO: $7 (70 bb)
                                                            BTN: $11.58 (115.8 bb)
                                                            Hero (SB): $12.28 (122.8 bb)
                                                            BB: $2.05 (20.5 bb)
                                                            UTG: $9.10 (91 bb)

                                                            Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
                                                            UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $2.05 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.65, BTN calls $1.65, Hero calls $0.55

                                                            Flop: ($8.20) Q 9 2 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
                                                            Hero ???


                                                            In the second hand villain was a huge fish (72/22 over only 19 hands). He was somehow normal postflop. What do you think of my line? The question is if playing such hands so passively if acceptable against him?

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                                                              BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
                                                              Hero (SB): $10.13 (101.3 bb)
                                                              BB: $10 (100 bb)

                                                              Preflop: Hero is SB with K 2
                                                              BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

                                                              Flop: ($0.60) J 5 6 (2 players)
                                                              Hero checks, BB checks

                                                              Turn: ($0.60) 4 (2 players)
                                                              Hero checks, BB checks

                                                              River: ($0.60) A (2 players)
                                                              Hero checks, BB checks
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                                                              07-11-2011 , 02:32 AM
                                                              JJ- cf otf think everyone will play straight forward even tho the pot is already bloated.
                                                              K2s- villain is calling w a wide range which makes cbetting more profitable.
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                                                              07-11-2011 , 03:41 AM
                                                              Quote:
                                                              Originally Posted by ExpectedV
                                                              JJ- cf otf think everyone will play straight forward even tho the pot is already bloated.
                                                              Yeah, I did c/f.

                                                              Quote:
                                                              Originally Posted by ExpectedV
                                                              K2s- villain is calling w a wide range which makes cbetting more profitable.
                                                              If we c-bet OTF how do we play OTT? I expect him to call a lot OTF.
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