Vic is only one which is hours and normally need 55-60ish to be able to buy in for 165 and 100+ to get in for free. Aspers and Empire are just based on visits, aspers is easy to min qual for (probs 16 visits a month), Empire you need a lot more (think somewhere in 20-22 region). No race at Hippo.

Empire is based on number of 65s not visits, no?

That’s for some wsop freeroll and for rake free cards, the loyalty race is based purely on visits.

Any idea what sort of prize pools they tend to gather?

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I’m probably not in a great place to challenge you on this one as I don’t play that often, but last time I visited Empire (late Aug), the reg sitting next to me and playing short stack (50BB) announced to the table that he will only push all in with AA/KK/AK/56s. This was his plan to secure a seat in the monthly loyalty tournament based on the points he will win after winning with 56s. He told me he did enter that tourney a few month back (18 players total) but didn’t make into money. The guy was definitely a reg as I remember seeing him play last year (he looks sharp and disciplined so I remembered him) and he’s seriously executing the plan from what I observed later in that session.

Yeah this is just an addition to the usual rake race. There's still a regular cash/rake race based on visits with I believe a 60 person cap.

Tbf, all the Rake/Loyalty comps in London are jokes. Just reward the old, nitty, bitter regs. Probably do more harm to the casino's cash game volumes then good.

Can definitely see the side to this arguement, thing is as long as you're not playing everyday and over contributing to the loyalty prizepool the edge you have in the race itself might make taking part slightly higher ev than if they stopped dropping a pound. That being said the structures are awful which obvs reduces edges and variance is also just increased to crazy amounts. Also if you're a decent regular playing for a living chances are you'll be contributing significantly more than the person next to you.

Also there's been a fairly common trend where hours based system has actually killed most of the games which ran through the night at the Vic.

Also I busted the Vic one last Sunday so **** cash races

In light of some pretty interesting disucssions/posts on other threads I've been somewhat inspired to sit down and (electronically) pen down some of my thoughts on life and poker.

Me and a few friends have a common saying, you tend to only hear about the weddings and not the funerals.

On a site like 2+2 it's an incredibly narrow view of the poker world as a whole. Generally the people that start PGCs have hopes and dreams of making it big but the large majority of threads are eventually left to die and fall to the back pages never to be seen again because the person didn't fulfull their dreams. I'm sure we all know members of this community who used to be active parts of it/had long running threads and it's all ended in tears. As a result the top pages are often left with people who are somewhat successful at this game alongside a few semi troll threads. I think some people might make the sidelined view that maybe those that have failed have ended ties with the game amicably and found something better but I just get the impression that for many out there it's a really rough exit fuelled by underlying frustration, lack of money, lack of confidence, low prospects and bitterness.

In the past year the large amount of my volume has mainly been live and I've seen a lot of stuff. To people doing laps round the table with joy, to people crying at the table with sadness. I've had a close friend go on top 0.1% heater for the year and another friend go on a five month downswing and another friend who's heavily considering quitting the game. Often at a live poker table the inconvenient truth is you're watching most of the people infront of you deteriorate. Ofc there's the fish who get tilted and eventually do it off and are long time losers, you'll see the v bad regs consistently break even and go missing from time to time but the harrowing thing for me is just seeing some of the long time pro's slowly losing their marbles. The constant complaining, drinking, bad gambling habits etc. It's all a constant reminder that this game isn't for everyone and even if you do get to the stage when you can play for a living it's not all smiles and roundabouts, it can still go very very wrong.

I think in poker it's very easy to have these wtf am I doing with my life thoughts. It's a stressful game with constant highs and lows, I often wonder what life would be like if I never got into this game (more on this later). I think this is the main reason why so many poker players often peacock about the fact they play for a living. I would often say that the more braggadocio/balla someone is about poker, the far more insecure and uncertain about their life and ability they actually are. I remember when I just turned 19, was playing 10zoom online and university society poker. I won a live tourney for a couple bags and went around thinking I was the dogs bollocks when in reality I obviously didn't have a clue. I lied to myself saying this way my job now and told a lot of people around me that I played poker seriously. My mindset now is almost the exact opposite, I rarely tell anyone what I do outside of poker (only few close friends know). I've worked a lot on myself over the past 12 months and I think one of the biggest improvements I've made has just been starting to give way less of a **** about how I'm perceived. Ofc I still try and be friendly/polite etc (just because you care less doesn't mean you should be a prick etc) but I find myself far less often wanting to talk about what I do in order to justify my self worth to both people I do and don't know. I guess part of this has come down to me being pretty content and at peace with where I am, which imo is far more to do with mindset than actual tangeable improvements.

The main thing I wanted to get into is just something which isn't really shared much, it's about sacrifice. The grass always seems greener on the other side and it's the main reason aspiring recs look up to some pros and how some pros look up to the bosses. It's very easy to think the life of someone "higher up" in the pecking order is naturally going to be better, it's easy to want what you haven't got. However people only look at the good things this "higher up" lifestyle has to offer, they don't factor sacrifice in. I don't even mean the "I didn't take a day off for 3 months" sacrifice stuff. It's the deeper stuff, it's the I've lost some important friendships because I was too fixated on poker, it's the I missed out meeting family for imporant events because my sleep schedule was ****ed and I overslept, it's the university has gone to pot because I made this game my life kind of sacrifices, it's the I've struggled to be committed in many relationships because of this game. Every pro doesn't mind saying "ah well I'm on a bit of a downswing right now so I'm struggling a bit" but I think many want to ignore the negative effects this game has brought onto the non-poker parts of their life. People sometimes ask me if they should play poker for a living and I'm sure many of us would agree that "no" is the answer we give for the large majority of people, I think the "no" response is often fueled far more by weighing up our own self sacrifice than we think. To be successful in life you often need to be incredibly selfish and this has costs which many seem to underplay.

"So ye Labax, how's it going m9"

On the whole things are actually going pretty well. Live in October wasn't great but I had a pretty solid month online, 100z is still going well and I'm tempted to goblin it up inside for November and really push for 200z. I feel fortunate to be where I am, I have good friends and a loving family etc. Ofc poker is hard but I try and tell myself that every job has good and bad days, I mean you need to have bad experiences to be able to realise what the good ones are right. I also just like the freedom on quite a deep down level, I think it's really nice for me mentally to not have to have someone say "Oh Tom, can you get these on my desk ASAP" or "you know you're in for 8am on Tuesday right Tom?". I've always been quite introverted and I guess burrowed away when it comes to work and I guess I feel really comfortable just living my life and doing my own thing, just being the one who makes the decisions instead of being told what to do is a big plus.

Anyway I guess I just wanted to write this post to give a bit of a broader perspective on what poker is like as someone who's committed a lot to it. I mean I don't really know even why I wrote this, I guess it helps get things off my chest and it's something to look back on. I'm actually a really big fan of journalling, it's nice to look at this thread and see my thoughts from a year ago and remind myself of where I was etc. I don't have the itch to write all the time but it's a pleasure when I do. Even though this post has a fairly negative tone I don't have the slightest urge to leave this game or stop, I think I actually enjoy the game and putting in the hours a lot more than most so here's to many more future posts and hours of poker.

Lol, have you thought that threads of people that refuse to give up are those "troll threads"?

No idea how long it took me to find your thread but enjoyed reading it and I'm glad your head is still in the game. Gives me hope seeing someone work their way up through the stakes, hopefully I can do the same.

I was an engineering student as well but I dropped out after a year as I was having a pretty miserable time of it. I switched universities and courses and graduated in politics after having some of the best years of my life. Probably a -ev life move but I wouldn't go back and change anything given how things have worked out.

Subbed and looking forward to following, maybe see you on the tables some day.

Great last post man, nice read!

Keep them coming, gl gl

I'm sure some of them are yeah.

Glad you enjoyed reading it, I think the dream of moving up the stakes both online and live is always there, just comes down to how hard you're willing to work and putting in the hours. Big thing for me was just becoming less and less of a victim, I stopped feeling sorry for myself and stopped making excuses, I think being able to constructively self reflect and hold yourself accountable in a rational way is a really important skill for success in both life and poker.

Seems to me like you made the right decision, we're humans not robots and sometimes even if something like an engineering degree might be more +ev life wise if you're just going to be miserable and find it hard to grind out it's definitely not worth it. As you said yourself you have no regrets and you had a great time.

Hopefully will see you around!

Thanks very much, appreciate it

solid post!

great post labax thx for sharing m8

nice post! good food for thought, best of luck to you

Thanks guys, glad you liked the post.

Not really an apology but I do realise it's been two months since the last update. In a perfect world I would update this thread every few days, have a rapport with some people here etc but the reality is that's never really been me. I've never really been one to splurge down my thoughts or write quick hh updates alongside how my session went. Whenever I turn on the laptop to write it's often when I'm in reflective moods. There's been times over the past week where I've subconciously said to myself "probs a good time to update the thread", I've opened it, got the quotes up and then just stared at the blank box with the black verticle line just flashing and nothing comes out. As I've stated in prior posts I do love journalling, maybe in 2019 I find myself posting more, who knows. What I do know is that there are no plans to end the thread whatsoever so maybe that's a late christmas present for those of you that enjoy the thread.

So the year is coming to a close and I thought it would be a good time to give my thoughts on how it's all been and what the plans for 2019 are.

So this calender year has definitely been the swingiest year I've ever gone through both life and poker wise. I'll spare the finer details but I think the positive and negative variance I've endured this year from all angles has made me gain an even greater respect for variance. There's so much we can't control in life and if anything my increased exposure to variance has just shifted me to become more content with where I am and to just be grateful. Like I feel a mixture of fortunate and proud for being able to play poker as my job but I also feel happy that I probably enjoy it more than many pros do (I actually feel this is more to do with how I deal with sizeable downswings then compared to the "oooh let's see how this card shifts the equities"). Variance aside, I also feel I've solidfied my good friendships futher and my composure towards others and in general has improved both on and off the table. Of course there's been many times throughout the year where I should have done better, should have been there more, should have acted better etc. But, I think I'm fairly good at holding myself accountable and trying to do what I can to learn from the mistakes, one thing I've definitely improved on in the last 12 months is feeling less and less like a victim and feeling sorry for myself and instead just getting on with life.

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There was a scenario in the past few weeks which was the hardest thing I've had to deal with in a poker room. I'll try and zip through the story to give some context.

So yeah 1/2/5 I make it 20 with TT MP, loads of messers call and an old fish-reg makes it 110, we're playing just under a bag eff and I peel, rest fold.

Now I recently doubled the fish up in a 1k pot (classic Labax) so topped up my stack with a monkey (500 chip) (you can only get these when you take money from deposit at the casino, they're meant to be changed up at the table but ofc still legally count as in play when in use). This hand happened a few hands after I lost the hand and the chip hadn't been changed. I place it under my front stack of 100s and it's clearly visible.

(300) T42rnbw

He snap rips and obvs we snap

Board runs out brick and then an Ace on the river, I table and he winces (obvs we good). He then goes "Oh I didn't see the monkey chip there, I didn't ****ing see it". Now just to clear anything up I'm 100% sure he didn't see it (known him ages we would never ever rip any of his range here if he knew i was playing 1k), however the rest of the table and dealer etc all knew it was in play. Fellow regs all say "Come on we all saw him put it on, you know he always sits for the max, you should know better (to vill)" etc. Tbh these moments are my least favourite moments in poker, they're annoying as **** to sit through even when you're not in them and I hate being at the face of controversy. Now to my own admission I didn't deal with the situation well. As soon as he says I didn't see the monkey I just sigh, he goes "what the **** are you sighing for they're gonna give you the pot". I say "it's not about the money it's just a weird spot", this might be to the surprise of some of you but this wasn't bull****, it really wasn't about the money for me. Like really at this stage I should probably just stfu and wait for floor to give ruling but he enquires it's weird and I'm like yeah well if you won the pot what would situation be (again I know I should stfu, this was badly played by me, I wasn't even trying to imply he would def take the 900).

Floor checks the cameras and says the chip clearly visible. Tldr ruling is the monkey stands and I win the 2k pot.

I've known the villain for well over a year and our relationship has always been okay, I wouldn't say overly friendly, he's fairly dark and cynical and is one of those who takes the piss out of large majority of people behind their back (and in front of them too). He's funny sometimes but often I personally find it a bit much. Anyway so he goes on astro and starts complaining how I've "****ed him for a monkey here", what's nice is a couple of oldschool long time regs (who I'm not even close friends with) stood up for me and told him to be quiet and that I did nothing wrong, nothing malicious, everyone else could see it and that it's up to him to keep up to date with how much people are playing or at least ask.

Now at this point I'm pretty over it, I've kinda switched off and am letting him just tilt on his own. I've been called all kinds of names etc, people have been rude etc and for the most part I just let it brush over me because it's pointless engaging with the majority of people that say this stuff. However he then went onto say "You've cheated me here" and tbh this is the one thing I really didn't like and I actually spoke up. Like in this industry your name means a lot and I'd like to think I have an incredibly good reputation in regards to integrity/trust. I say I don't like being referred to as a cheat when I didn't do anything wrong etc and again people stand up for me and say it's really OOL because obviously I didn't do anything wrong.

I know this is turning into a bit of a ramble, it's just frustration, like 99% of people that know him and know me will know that I didn't do anything wrong and that he's just chatting bollocks but it's tilting knowing that a tiny minority might feel that maybe I did cheat him when I did nothing of the sort. Like it just made me sad tbh that my name could be tarnished by some old geezer who's just tilted at me because he made a mistake.

I spoke to a few close friends about this and aside from one who said he'd give the monkey back the rest said yeah nothing you can do except take the pot. Fwiw the friend who said give it back had a situation with the villain where he mucked on a board chop and the guy gave him back 200 quid etc. However I've never had this situation with the guy, have never been close and he never wanted to take an ounce of accountability for making a mistake (I had already apologised for my actions) and instead just went off on me. Anyway I won the pot but it's going to take some resolve to keep grinding with him around since he's not the kind of person that will stop talking about it.

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Anyway let's briskly move on to goals for 2019...

-A big one is again just pride myself on my composure and actions at the table (again not showing a shining example of myself in the TT hand above). Generally I'm quite pleased but yeah always can improve.

-200 Hour months till June, I've always been good at getting good quality volume and want to continue this trend in the new year. Shouldn't be too difficult.

-Play more piano/cook more/exercise more/read more. All things I do to some extent currently but would like to make a larger part of my routine in 2019, I think it's always good to have outlets to switch off from the casino-based noctural lifestyle I largely live.

-Keep up friendships with people outside of poker. In the past I've often shut people out but I have one good friend in particular who I really want to continue to spend time with during my free time, we've been through a lot together and yeah I should always be making time for him.

-2 Cash races a month, again I really should be doing this since I'm full time.

-Buy more action, I get offered a fair few +ev spots and it's just a sick ROI a lot of time. Think it's a v decent investment since the people I would buy off I significantly trust and have faith in their ability.

-Game Select well, I know London population pretty well. Biggest game is obvs not always the best game. I don't really care about image or being seen playing the big games so just going to keep myself to myself and play in the games I think are best.

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So yeah a couple of things, as you can see there's no monetary goals because I think they're pretty silly in the grand scheme of things. I'd rather set goals I can control in the short/mid term.

Also yeah in June I'm moving to the USA for at least 18-24 months to continue to play full time. Tldr got green card need to spend time there to make it permanent. Will be in Vegas for the Summer with friends and will likely stay out there for the rest of my time, maybe FL, LA maybe etc. Yes I will be taxed, talking to lawyers about tax options. And no I won't really be talking about this more publically in the thread. And yeah whilst it might be a let down for some but I won't be publically posting results until everything is sorted out. I'm not really a fan of publically posting them anyway so yeah. Plan is to hopefully be able to play 5/T and deep 5/5s and go from there.

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Thought to end the thread I might as well post some HHs.

Saw a good 2/5 during the 888 festival at Aspers so took a seat.

We open 15 in CO with KQ David Tuchman (super nice guy) folds BTN, mtt "reg thing" flats SB and v good reg calls BB (rest of table was full of fish this wasn't the worst table ever I promise). 2keff with all

(45) AJ3

Checks to me I bet 30, SB folds BB calls.

(105) 5

Check, I bet 90 he calls

(285) 7

Check, we bet 325 and get a snap fold.

I think there's interesting discussion to be had as to what sizings we can go with on flop, turn and river.

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Fairly big asian reg opens 20 In HJ we 3bet AA to 70 in CO 2keff he peels

(147) KQ4

He checks I check (low freq kappa)

(147) T

Check, I bet 100 he calls

(347) 6

Check, I bet 200 he sighs off and we're good.

Pretty std I think he always bets 2p+ on turn or xr turn so yeh ez v bet. Probs KJ QJ AQ a fair bit.

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Now for a classic 1/2

We open 10 BTN AT , SB folds Indian whale calls BB. Bag eff

(21) T74rnbw

He leads 10 I make it 40 he calls

(101) Jfd

He checks we bet 100 he makes it 400. Just classique stuff, pretty certain he didn't have 98 but I just didn't have the arsehole to go any further in this hand. We fold he says I knew you were ****ing around and shows a T I actually don't know if I was good or not, even though my default view of how people play this spot says I'm rarely good this guy was just a messer

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All over the shop hand vs a reg and good friend (thanks for all the continuous lifts adrian )

1/2

Our friend opens 8 EP, fish calls MP fish reg calls btn I make it 55 in BB with AA, our friend makes it 145 , quickly folds back to us and 620eff we peel.

(307) K43

Check Check

(307) Q

Check, he bets 150, I decide to jam and he sigh calls fairly quickly.

River is brick 6 and we scoop.

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1/2/5 vs whale

One limp, whale limps BTN we iso SB with A5 to 25 bb whale calls btn whale calls.

(85) 932

I bet 50 both call

(235) 4

If Carlsberg did turn cards... I bet 125 because I'm a lemon and miscalc'd pot size cus was late, bb shrug folds whale snaps.

"no diamond no diamond no diamond n-"

(485) 8

I jam 660 she calls after a couple of seconds and we win.

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Anyway yeah as you can see an array of different things being addressed in this update. As a parting note I'm currently in Austin, TX spending xmas with my family. I flew over on 16th Dec and am back in London on 10th Jan, no poker nearby, need a SSB for Ignition and **** ACR on multiple levels (deposit fees cus I don't have crypto and just scum running it). So yeah I'm itching to get back to London and play, still sweating some friends and doing some studying but if you see me running down Edgeware Road in mid Jan don't be alarmed. Talking about the Edgware Rd also just jogged my memory from a funny story. It was back in August in the biggest upswing of my career, just won around a bag at the vic but all the games broke at 2-3am and it was midweek so no tube init, grounded Labax was like ok let's take the bus (and not drop the score on the the uber), N205 (I think) has quite a nice route and yeh I was just down for it. Well took ages cus people got on and off and every stop (not a shock), took like an hour but wasn't that bad, got off at Stratford City and quickly checked in on Aspers games, the game was v good so I took a seat and within the 90 minutes I played for, I played some of the worst poker of my career, I was just underlyingly tilted the whole time, part of it was I couldn't even win a fiver off the whale (she was also vill in A5hh hand ...times change), she legit took a bag off me in this time and I just racked up defeated. Ended up doing 700 there and on the journey home I was tilted beyond beleif. I've done my bollocks many times and rarely get that annoyed or complain but I was actually like a kettle even when I got home. It wasn't even like an oh I'm upstuck tilt it was some different animal. Well the irrational part of me wants to blame the long bus journey causing me tilt but yeah I'm not sure what brought it on. I've been on some long BE stretches and gone home everytime pretty content, smiling with others, listening to music but during a massive upswing this sends me off my trolley. Everytime I see or take that bus in the future I'll remember that day...

Anyway just some final parting words. One thing I've somewhat struggled with during this thread is how much of myself I showcase. I'm fine sharing the poker aspects but a lot has happened to me personally this year which I'm not really sure if I want to share or not in this thread. I don't really want this to end up like some soap opera or where advice is throwing from 5 different angles about how I should approach something. Like a year ago I would never share some of the things I'm considering potentially sharing. I guess maybe deep down some advice or even just the act of journalling some of my difficulites could be useful. Anyway I wish you all a happy and successful 2019 and last but not least, perspective is important, be grateful for what you have

Hey man! Always look forward to your updates, thanks for sharing, often throughout this thread I am touched, motivated and inspired by your perspective, so much of what you say resonates with me.

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year pal, good luck with all your endeavours in 2019!

I enjoy your journal type write ups Labax fwiw. Thanks for sharing a little deeper than most. The transparency is refreshing!

Thank you for the very kind words, it's nice to see some of what I've posted has resonated with you. Best of luck for the year ahead.

Glad you like the write ups And yeah no problem, this game is full of dark periods. I think often they're never really spoken about so it just skews public perception of what playing this game is actually like. Same goes for win rates, the people speaking the most are largely the ones on big upswings so it skews what achievable win rates actually are/what is actually sustainable. How many 100k zoom graphs have you seen on here where eventually the person goes missing.

Just as a side note as this isn't a full update of any kind. When budgeting or just thinking about what I should earn ev wise I always go with the lower bound of what I think my hourly likely is as it heavily reduces chances of me overspending. I've also put in a lot of work in regards to being financially impartial, I would say my spending throughout the year has remained very much the same every month, even though there's been five figure months and losing months. I actually think this is very important (for me) because it means your external lifestyle out of poker isn't effected as much by how you're doing on the felt. I still go and get a coffee and pastry even though I did my bollocks the night before and I don't go and buy new jeans just because I had a good Friday night. I think this has helped my mental game tremendously both on heaters and downswings, I see some of my friends affected by the swings of this game to a far greater extent because their emotional wellbeing is very much tied to their short term results (whether they'd like to admit it or not).

Awesome post mate, all the best with 2019 and congratulations on a strong 2018. Looking forward to following this year, especially the move to the US!


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great thread, gl for 2019 mate

Thanks very much Jake, best of luck with all you endeavours this year.

Cheers, much appreciated

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So my last post was on the first day of the year I guess there's a few things which are on my mind so I thought why not open up the virtual journal and write some stuff down.

So I landed in London in early January and things went pretty smooth life and poker wise. February though has been pretty brutal poker wise. Granted time wise a month is next to nothing and a lot of the money I've lost has been due to running severely under EV but it would be naive to assume that I played really well throughout the duration of the month. There were many spots where I could have saved some money/taken a different line etc etc. I've said the same thing ever since I got into poker seriously but the best poker players and the ones who deal with negative periods the best.

Dealing with losses is such a weird one, it's a merge of trying not to beat yourself up too hard whilst still maintaining accountability for your actions. It's easy to question yourself over trivial situations, to become overly pessimistic and even to become worried about what you got yourself into and question your ability and longevity. I also think in poker it's easy to enter a trance like state where the days all blend in together which ends up in one not really being in the moment and therefore not questioning certain things both on and off the table in the most optimal way. Countless times throughout this "job" I've internally asked myself "what am I doing playing this silly game" during both positive and negative stretches. I've sacrificed a lot to get to where I am today and it's easy to think about what else could have been, I think it's quite dangerous to delve too deep into that hole. As a friend said to me I need to remind myself why I've taken the path I'm on. The overwhelming reality for me is even though things can be tough sometimes I really wouldn't want to be doing anything else right now (and for the next few years). The plan is to keep digging deep, trust the process, put in good quality hours and maintain a good life off the felt.

So I've had this thread for around 18 months now and over that time my mindset towards the game has changed a fair bit. At the start I had far more of an "let's get the money", "ev is ev" ", "let's max the hourly" approach compared to now. I'm making (and plan to continue making) active efforts to try and reduce variance. Just remembering I'm a human and improving my quality of life via dampening potential swings is important to me and something I never really gave much consideration to in the past. I think earlier on in my poker journey I was way more obsessed with the glory, battling, potentially building a brand, what people thought of me at the table etc. Where as now I've realised I'm completely content burrowing away in the shadows in good quality games rather than wanting to heavily ramp up variance in big tournaments and in cash games that are bigger than what I usually play. I'm happy just grinding away in games I might have slightly less ev than in order to lower variance and improve my quality of life off the felt. Will that potentially dent my chances of reaching the upper echelons of poker, sure, but I've never been driven by making lots of money, my motto has always been "as long as I don't have to worry about how much dessert costs I'll be alright".

I guess I see this thread now as a way to jot down my thoughts at given points in time so they don't get lost in the wind. I think the act of me being able to re-read my thoughts from the past allows me to understand my prior self (and my journey) better than if I just attempted to remember how I felt off of thought. I've considered a personal/private journal at times as an alternative to this but I'm not opposed to occasional thoughts and feedback from others and there's also a chance this thread could provide value (of any kind) to other people who come across it.

Really nice update mate and glad you're not getting lost in the midst of a rough patch. Keep up all the good work and self awareness, I think that'll make a huge difference to your quality of life.

Only just found this thread Tom, some very good stuff here enjoyable read.

Looking forward to getting dinner again soon with the boys and glgl