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10-17-2023 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Stixxem2
you got this!
Thanks
10-17-2023 , 01:03 PM
Perception feels pretty f'd up lately. Any tips how to reset? (other than hero dosing) lol
10-17-2023 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
Perception feels pretty f'd up lately. Any tips how to reset? (other than hero dosing) lol
Can’t seem to find the fold button. Making some really bad calls trying to hero pots. Feels really silly. On the flip side, betting seems to have no rhyme or reason other than try to blow people off pots. Getting frustrated when I do fold and definitely have entitlement tilt blinding me.

Still can’t find my A game. Maybe need to close out on some material and go back to some foundational stuff because I just feel so off base especially after 2 coaching sessions and hearing feedback.
10-18-2023 , 06:38 AM
Yea I feel the same at times, when learning a skill it can be annoying to become aware of all the mistakes. For me I also try to implement a lot of stuff and get overwhelmed. think its best to stick to the basics and slowly add or remove stuff. Also try to look at not only the mistakes and what's there to learn, but also at how far you have come and things you do better now.
10-18-2023 , 10:28 AM
Can somebody provide a basic ****ing thought process approach for each hand? I don't know what's going through my head lately but I just seem to be hyper focused on the perfectly wrong things.
10-18-2023 , 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swerbs22
Can somebody provide a basic ****ing thought process approach for each hand? I don't know what's going through my head lately but I just seem to be hyper focused on the perfectly wrong things.
Post some hands
10-18-2023 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
Can somebody provide a basic ****ing thought process approach for each hand? I don't know what's going through my head lately but I just seem to be hyper focused on the perfectly wrong things.
For me preflop I just try to think what I'm supposed to do based on what I can remember from the charts.

On the flop I just try to think again what am I supposed to do here and is there any reason I should do something else? And it's largely based on what is my range vs opponent's and what is the board?

That's about it. I think before the difference for me was I would try to hard to think about how I could win every hand I was in rather than executing an overall strategy.
10-18-2023 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
For me preflop I just try to think what I'm supposed to do based on what I can remember from the charts.

On the flop I just try to think again what am I supposed to do here and is there any reason I should do something else? And it's largely based on what is my range vs opponent's and what is the board?

That's about it. I think before the difference for me was I would try to hard to think about how I could win every hand I was in rather than executing an overall strategy.
I usually keep up preflop charts that I can refer to ( I don't think this is against TOS but could be wrong lol) I think it really helps me visualize my range OTF so I can keep a "bigger picture" mindset.

I stopped using charts for this week and last and it seems to really throw me into confusion post flop because I get stuck wondering if I played preflop correctly. I feel like I don't even process anything in the hand or am able to pull on anything I studied over the last year. Really weird sensation. I don't want to chalk it up as that (is it "chalk it up" or "chock it up"?) but I took a small hour break and played a different game, came back and opened up the charts again and made sure to refer to them after coming to a decision but before making the decision in game so I could check myself. Ended up either sun-running at the perfect time or I have serious preflop memory issues. I was able to continue postflop considering a lot more information and somehow much less results orientated.

I'm really struggling lately not knowing if what I believe or do is correct and I'm constantly second guessing myself and seems unable to find a level of confidence. The coaching sessions weren't as bad as I thought they were going to be but it also pointed out some clear issues in my strategy and I'm also likely too caught up in trying to hit frequencies perfectly (getting tilted when stats like WTSD, WSD, WWSF, VPIP/PFR aren't hitting marks that the CFP coach said they needed to be). Also not sure how much the Limpers on Ignition skew these statistics because there is usually some crazy limp and raise action going on preflop and it's hard to feel like I'm adjusting or responding correctly in these situations.

I'm pretty sure I am riddled with "entiltement" tilt as of late and it must be accompanied by "accumulated" tilt because it doesn't seem to take much for me to be like "wtf was that guy thinking? oh they are so ****ing lucky! oh of course they hit the exact card they need! every time I check I lose! every time I bluff i get caught! I'm never getting enough $ for another coaching session cause I keep losing everyday" thoughts like these. And it's funny because I'm actually not doing bad coming back from a decent downswing, I'm almost out of it and maybe I'm too greedy/expecting of getting that next session ASAP and it's clouding my thoughts. Need to go back and rip through MGoP again?

I can post some hands closer to the weekend, if I go through them now I will only be posting bias ones. I'd rather have some time away from these days and come back with a fresh view on the hands too. I mean I'm looking at a few days ago now and it's just like, what the **** am is even going through my head when I'm playing lately?!?! Stuff I know not to do, or know better about and I'm just simply ignoring it chasing FPS type style. Ashamed to even admit that I let stuff like this happen. I know better. I feel like a toddler with no self control/self awareness.

. Sill having issues getting PT4 to collect and record iggy hands, but the download after hasn't seemed to give me any issues so far so when I get the HHs I'll go through and try to put together like 5-10 of the worst hands. Also main PC is still out of commission until the new parts come, which they ****ed up the shipping on and it's been sitting in Nebraska for days. I paid for premium shipping and it sat for 3 days, messaged the company and they were nice enough to admit the labeling mistake and refunded the extra costs.

Last edited by swerbs22; 10-18-2023 at 01:56 PM.
10-18-2023 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
I usually keep up preflop charts that I can refer to ( I don't think this is against TOS but could be wrong lol)

I stopped using charts for this week and last and it seems to really throw me into confusion post flop because I get stuck wondering if I played preflop correctly. I feel like I don't even process anything in the hand or am able to pull on anything I studied over the last year. Really weird sensation. I don't want to chalk it up as that (is it "chalk it up" or "chock it up"?) but I took a small hour break and played a different game, came back and opened up the charts again and made sure to refer to them after coming to a decision but before making the decision in game so I could check myself. Ended up either sun-running at the perfect time or I have serious preflop memory issues. I was able to continue postflop considering a lot more information and somehow much less results orientated.

I'm really struggling lately not knowing if what I believe or do is correct and I'm constantly second guessing myself and seems unable to find a level of confidence. The coaching sessions weren't as bad as I thought they were going to be but it also pointed out some clear issues in my strategy and I'm also likely too caught up in trying to hit frequencies perfectly (getting tilted when stats like WTSD, WSD, WWSF, VPIP/PFR aren't hitting marks that the CFP coach said they needed to be). Also not sure how much the Limpers on Ignition skew these statistics because there is usually some crazy limp and raise action going on preflop and it's hard to feel like I'm adjusting or responding correctly in these situations.

I'm pretty sure I am riddled with "entiltement" tilt as of late and it must be accompanied by "accumulated" tilt because it doesn't seem to take much for me to be like "wtf was that guy thinking? oh they are so ****ing lucky! oh of course they hit the exact card they need! every time I check I lose! every time I bluff i get caught! I'm never getting enough $ for another coaching session cause I keep losing everyday" thoughts like these. And it's funny because I'm actually not doing bad coming back from a decent downswing, I'm almost out of it and maybe I'm too greedy/expecting of getting that next session ASAP and it's clouding my thoughts. Need to go back and rip through MGoP again?

I can post some hands closer to the weekend, if I go through them now I will only be posting bias ones. I'd rather have some time away from these days and come back with a fresh view on the hands too

. Sill having issues getting PT4 to collect and record iggy hands, but the download after hasn't seemed to give me any issues so far so when I get the HHs I'll go through and try to put together like 5-10 of the worst hands. Also main PC is still out of commission until the new parts come, which they ****ed up the shipping on and it's been sitting in Nebraska for days. I paid for premium shipping and it sat for 3 days, messaged the company and they were nice enough to admit the labeling mistake and refunded the extra costs.


Also feeling like I'm horribly behind where I should/could be for 1 year of studying with Upswing (it's really difficult for me to wrap my head around a lot of concepts and **** on my own). I built up a roll to move up stakes, and I seem to keep finding excuses why I haven't moved up. Felt like I hit a HUGE goal when I reach my monetary goal for the year so early but what do I have to show for it? Still grinding 10nl lol so what even was the point of that goal?
10-18-2023 , 03:46 PM
10-18-2023 , 04:01 PM
You're perspective is not really reasonable. I don't know how many hours you've put in over the course of a year, but you're at a respectable spot after one year in my opinion.
10-18-2023 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
getting tilted when stats like WTSD, WSD, WWSF, VPIP/PFR
Does this pressure to hit your numbers come from the CFP or from you? Maybe I´m completely wrong here, but while WTSD, WSD and WWSF are in fact very important, trying to directly control them is a very terrible idea. You need a sound strategy, where you micromanage things that are actually controllable in the first place, like how much you fold flops, turns, x/r'ing enough, cbets, barrels, bluffs, etc, blah blah and blah. You play a fundamentally solid strategy, and then, the broad stats trend to where they should be.

Getting tilted over all of this IMHO is even worse than worrying about the wrong stats, but if your mindset is one that gets nuts if it feels control was lost, at least worry about the micro stats that form a solid strategy.

Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 10-18-2023 at 10:58 PM.
10-18-2023 , 10:55 PM
Why would you get stressed about poker to begin with? Are you in a hurry to succeed, to reach whatever limit you made a goal for yourself? Why, do you think poker will die tomorrow, or next year? Want to play for a living?

First of all, whatever limit you´re playing when poker dies, if it dies, the effect on you will be the same. Also, you have no control in any of the circunstances that might produce the end of poker, so worrying about any of this is futile.

But this self inflicted stress will definitely make you play worse and cause suffering, all of which will lead to you not reaching higher stakes at the speed you might want (or at any speed).

Calm down dude, try to enjoy the process more, poker is a beautiful game and it is possible to be serious and still have fun with it
10-19-2023 , 07:49 PM
tilted off 6 buy ins today after another break even session for hours. honestly today felt like set up after set up after setup. i know how stupid this sounds and its just more proof i need a break.


so desperate to see positive results like now. not going to play for a few days i think. maybe longer. i have some notes from the coaching sessions im going to try to look over a lot and ig just drill GTOw until i don't feel mentally f'd. Hero dosing is starting to sound like exactly what i need. not sure if i have any time alone for a few days though. will see.



^mugshot

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Why would you get stressed about poker to begin with? Are you in a hurry to succeed, to reach whatever limit you made a goal for yourself? Why, do you think poker will die tomorrow, or next year? Want to play for a living?
^why would i not want to find success in the things i invest myself into?

Last edited by swerbs22; 10-19-2023 at 07:56 PM.
10-19-2023 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
tilted off 6 buy ins today after another break even session for hours. honestly today felt like set up after set up after setup. i know how stupid this sounds and its just more proof i need a break.


so desperate to see positive results like now. not going to play for a few days i think. maybe longer. i have some notes from the coaching sessions im going to try to look over a lot and ig just drill GTOw until i don't feel mentally f'd. Hero dosing is starting to sound like exactly what i need. not sure if i have any time alone for a few days though. will see.



^mugshot


^why would i not want to find success in the things i invest myself into?
Because success has nothing to do with getting stressed out about poker. The only things that matter are improving and playing well. I don´t know how I would manage to win anything in this game if I kept tilting every time I ran bad, had a failed shot or faced difficult spots. But if you can, congrats, keep doing what works for you.

Anyway, GL man!
10-22-2023 , 08:45 PM
Spoiler:

^today session graph. Just a small session after taking 2-3 full days off everything poker. Sucks to not win some flips ig but honestly don't really care. Faz is right, just keep playing and play to play well.


Spoiler:

^month.


Spoiler:

^year(by month) just ignition though. I actually never looked at this before here but was nice to see I really don't have losing months. Good for morale.
10-22-2023 , 08:47 PM
Vs 56/56/20

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 98.2 BB
CO: 102.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 101.1 BB
BB: 121.8 BB
Hero (UTG): 247.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) MP has A K

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) T 6 J
Hero checks, MP bets 3.9 BB, Hero calls 3.9 BB

Turn: (24.3 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP bets 17.3 BB, Hero calls 17.3 BB

River: (58.9 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, MP bets 69.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.5 BB

MP shows A K (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 63%, Flop 36%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows Q J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 37%, Flop 64%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 188.1 BB
10-22-2023 , 08:51 PM
Both hands here Vs same the same villain. 33/26/24 F3b:100 WTSD:21 WWSF:32

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 94 BB
BB: 116.5 BB
CO: 121 BB
Hero (BTN): 205.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 A

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 7 3 6
BB checks, Hero bets 1.9 BB, BB calls 1.9 BB

Turn: (9.3 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets 13.5 BB, BB calls 13.5 BB

River: (36.3 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 187.4 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 34.5 BB


Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.5 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 121 BB
Hero (CO): 221.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 4 4 3
SB bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, SB calls 11 BB

Turn: (67 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets 188.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 63.7 BB
10-22-2023 , 08:52 PM
Vs 34/34/10

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.6 BB
SB: 123.6 BB
Hero (BB): 135.2 BB
UTG: 119.6 BB
MP: 43.8 BB
CO: 240.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) J 2 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 1.3 BB, Hero calls 1.3 BB

Turn: (8.1 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 5.8 BB, Hero calls 5.8 BB

River: (19.7 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 16.9 BB, Hero raises to 125.6 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 50.9 BB

River bad?
10-22-2023 , 08:55 PM
Vs 42/24/0 F3b:0

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 128.1 BB
BTN: 107.9 BB
SB: 70.6 BB
BB: 23 BB
UTG: 82.2 BB
MP: 77.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) UTG has Q K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 6 3 3
UTG checks, Hero bets 19.6 BB, UTG calls 19.6 BB

Turn: (52.7 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG checks, Hero bets 76.2 BB, UTG calls 56.6 BB and is all-in

River: (165.9 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 51%, Turn 68%)
UTG shows Q K (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 48%, Flop 49%, Turn 32%)
UTG wins 157.7 BB
10-22-2023 , 09:01 PM
Vs 23/16/5 F3b:50 WSD:36 WWSF:18

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB
MP: 110.2 BB
CO: 110 BB
BTN: 98.5 BB
SB: 90.4 BB
Hero (BB): 158.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero raises to 19.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 42 BB, Hero raises to 158.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 87 BB


Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 133.6 BB
BTN: 99.5 BB
SB: 106.1 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 102.5 BB
Hero (MP): 209.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) Q 2 9
BB checks, Hero bets 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.7 BB

Turn: (8.9 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 6.4 BB, BB raises to 19.8 BB, fold

BB wins 20.7 BB

Bad? If i call turn, what sizes can I call OTR?

Last edited by swerbs22; 10-22-2023 at 09:07 PM.
10-22-2023 , 09:03 PM
At the time, felt like V was going to TBBluff but looking back at his agg/street is showing river agg really low. Probably should have found a lead here? What sizing?

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 107.5 BB
SB: 169.7 BB
BB: 106.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 110.6 BB
MP: 139.3 BB
CO: 10 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 3 players) 3 3 6
SB checks, Hero bets 2.7 BB, MP calls 2.7 BB, fold

Turn: (13.9 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP bets 6.7 BB, Hero calls 6.7 BB

River: (27.3 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, MP checks

Hero shows 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Threes)

Hero wins 26 BB
10-22-2023 , 09:07 PM
Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 138.7 BB
MP: 105.5 BB
CO: 104 BB
Hero (BTN): 126 BB
SB: 168.5 BB
BB: 79.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, fold, BB calls 6.5 BB, UTG raises to 138.7 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

UTG wins 23 BB

Hmmm
10-22-2023 , 09:09 PM
Vs 58/38/10 F3b:20

Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 153.2 BB
BB: 105.5 BB
UTG: 105.5 BB
Hero (MP): 118.5 BB
CO: 168 BB
BTN: 71.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) SB has J J

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 8.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 118.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 110 BB

Flop: (238 BB, 2 players) 5 7 7

Turn: (238 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (238 BB, 2 players) J

SB shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Sevens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
SB wins 226.1 BB
10-24-2023 , 08:57 AM
9d9c

Even vs a 82.2BB, this 3b sizing looks bad. If you had some type of sample on his fold to 3b stat, more reasons to go standard, or at least 8 bb.

Go for 3 streets and more standard plays imho, recs do not ONLY have draws here, they may have pps, or pairs, or A highs etc. Are you afraid of getting raised? If yes, then this is a reason to learn how to play vs raises, not to try to run away from them.


KhKc

I believe it's either a call or a 3bet, never a fold. I´m sure villain's have enough bluffs here, and I´m confident they are bluffing too much with nut-semi-bluffs, x/calling them way less, and also bluffing too little with the other possible bluffs, and if we nodelock this reality, we pretty much play a very aggroequity-denial strategy. If someone can make the sims, including nodelocked ones, to prove or disprove this, as I don´t have time now?

River after we call turn, texture comes first, you obviously don´t want to call on textures that improve obvious bluffs, and want to call on the ones that are blanks. Pot/overbets this might be "thresholdish" call/fold vs a river overbet, I assume, on a blank. Or even a pure fold with the Kc. Idk. Less than pot I´m calling any safe river 100% of the time if I call turn.

      
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