OP I gave you some love in a poast. Represent

If I may; I'm not mad, just disappointed.

Don,
I was surprised to read that something like this happened again after I was told you took a similar incident, for mere pennies in comparison, very poorly at Oceans.
Based on what David is saying it was probably an angle, but nonetheless be very definitive with other players from here on out.

wouldn't that make it less surprising then

The last time I suggested the same, he made it very clear (something like "OK, let's go two rivers" with affirmative body language). This time he didn't even acknowledge I said anything to him, he just looked at the dealer and said "just deal" in a low voice. I mean like I have already posted, from my point of view I thought it was very definitive at the time of him saying it.

Do you think I did something wrong, and if so, what?

I admit I'm a little bit frustrated that you're saying last night's situation where I feel like I didn't do anything wrong is similar to probably the biggest mistake of my entire poker career. That is, the one time I've ever been in tears at a casino over thousands of hours and probably the worst thing I did in all of 2014 period not even talking about just poker (that I can think of off the top of my head), which I also immediately apologized for as well and the other person involved assured me there were no hard feelings. I even asked the floor for a 1-year ban immediately after the incident at Ocean's because I'm probably harder on myself than anyone else is and I considered it inexcusable. But like I just said about villain in the above post (#4822), everyone has bad moments including me.

So yea I dunno I could be completely misunderstanding here, but if you're comparing this to the situation at Ocean's I assume you think I was in the wrong and I'm just curious what part. I don't really agree that I agree that the situation last night would have been avoided had I stopped the dealer (who also thought we were just playing it out) and clarified that we were just going to play the hand normally before the river card was dealt, but yea I mean I don't think I did something wrong by NOT doing that since from my PoV it was already 100% clear that's what he meant.

I suppose we'd need to hear about the O11 situation.

Wasn't thinking clearly, played a hand that took 20 minutes where I did something wrong and didn't realize it until afterwards

Reap what you sow I suppose

Hey bud, I appreciate your response but can you elaborate a little?

Why does the buy in range make you think I'm running like god? I've played like 20 tournys in 4 month cashing in about 25% of time. I didn't run mad lucky in any of them my strategy is no showdown based. I was a consistent bar poker league winner and moved up in buy ins and have consistently done well no matter the buy in. I watch and study constantly and adjust really well. I didn't mean id be quitting soon but ive got my "biggest cash ever" beaten every month for the past 5 lol if I keep winning @ even close to this rate for a bigger sample I'm gonna have to give it a go. I'll be playing circuits and possible wsop events this yr. So if I have a really good yr I'm gonna strongly consider it.

I like what someone said about if I could make the same playing poker part time as I do working full time . Then give it a go. I think that's fair. If I clear 100k this yr in part time poker . It's a wrap lol.

Unrelated note. Aesah I assume your win rate doesn't include any points/benefits u get for being a full time cash game grinder right ? I imagine they would be pretty solid no?

And although I do believe I'm in the 1/10 skill wise Ik humans commonly over rate their own ability. I guess I'll find out in time lol

20 tourneys live donkaments? geez thats a sick sample size dude

It doesn't sound like you were wrong in this case.
I would have thought you would get a direct, no doubt answer, after the previous incident.
But, as I said, based on your post and David's, it sounds like you were in the right.
Glad Palomar is treating you well.

Go ask in Running Uphill's PG&C thread. He's more of a tourney guy but he still crushes at cash games too. I really doubt you could make it on the tournament series without being a winner in cash games.

You seem like you are a pretty good player and maybe you do have what it takes. The problem with this metric regarding tournaments is you could bink 1 or 2 and extrapolate that you will always be winning at that rate. A sample of 20 tournaments is not even remotely close to a large enough sample to draw any conclusions or predict future profitablity.

I would never discourage anyone from taking a shot, it's your life your choice. But I would have to agree getting a dick tatt on your face would be less of a mistake than trying to make a living off solely tournaments. Mixing cash games and tournaments would give you a better shot because CG will mitigate some of the ridicoulous variance involved in tournaments.

Of course if you do take a shot, make sure you leave yourself a plan B if things don't work out. Play well!

As I said it's a small sample size, I can only play about once or twice every other weekned. And that's when a good series is within driving distance. My tourny options are limited as **** with time constraints. Dispite this I have still managed to profit about 10k in the past couple months which is more then some full time players of these stakes can manage. This leads me wanting to give it a more dedicated effort. This is my only point. And I was really only asking OP but trolling bitches gonna troll lol

yeah sorry about trolling you dude, you are top 10% ability after those 20 tourneys for sure, go quit your job and follow your dreams!

I apologize I overreacted to your post. You took it very well.

I made it after i just went on a first date with a girl and had an experience I have never had before- I COULD NOT FK'ING STAND HER. So I was a bit tilted.

Thanks for your comments =]

Thanks for legit response . And I agree one of my goals this yr is to improve my cash game.

I have never met a poker pro who lived solely off of $200 - $600 MTTs

Christ, the thought of that makes me want to throw up a bit in my mouth. I don't think he understands how big a factor variance is in MTTs. You can literally go an easy 15 tournament stretch without a cash even though you are playing perfect poker. Since the frequency of most live tournaments are once or twice a week this equates to 2 to 3 months with no income coming in. But during this time you are still shelling out $200 - $600 for buy-ins and travel fees and other expenses. And then when you finally get a cash, it won't necessarily be a first or second place bink, it could just be a minish 9th place cash of $900...

There is one player I know of who quit her job to play MTTs. She did it after binking for $150k first place. She then went two months without a cash then binked again for $50k. Went 4 months without a major cash then binked for $80k. Went 6 months without a major cash then binked again for $100k. However, in between these bouts of binking she lost a ton of money in tournaments, expenses related to tournaments, and the cash game (she is a horrific cash game player, tries to play them like tournaments). Last I heard, it's been over 8 months since her last decent bink and she is going back to her old job.

I just don't think it's possible to be a live MTT pro without sponsorship or without being able to beat the cash game. I know of several MTT pros who use the cash game to subsidize their MTTs, playing roughly 50% cash game 50% MTTs and they play at the 5/10nl level. And thinking about all the players I know of who make a living with poker, not one of them do so as an exclusive $200 - $600 MTT grinder. Personally, I think it is virtually impossible to become a "pro" exclusively on those MTTs because it's impossible to get the volume in... You're talking about 4 - 8 MTTs a month max. And if you are following a tour (like the HPT or WPT) now you're talking about travel expenses as well which will easily equate to $200/day

yea I know exactly zero people who consider themselves live MTT pros I respect. I know more people than I can count on my hands and feet who consider themselves live MTT pros that I am 99% sure are losers in cash, 50% sure are also actually losers in MTTs, and 99% sure they think they are better at poker in all aspects than me.

So yea just make sure you aren't one of those guys. From reading your posts it seems you are more level-headed than most, but I've already posted the main reasons why I hate the idea of making a living off of MTTs- transition to cash ASAP imo. Like I said some guy could literally get to his seat 3 hours late, then just shove preflop whenever he has an ace or pair and your edge over him is hardly large enough to even overcome the rake in most ~$300 buyin tourney structures.

I don't keep stats by casino but I'm pretty sure I'm lifetime loser at Palomar been running well over a small sample recently though.

And yea I was making a quick phone post response in #4841 above, I want to clarify again that I apologize for snapping at you, it was uncalled for. Basically yea the incident at O11 I think is probably the biggest misstep I've made in thousands of hours of poker, I (obviously) thought I was correct at the time but I was really out of it/tired/confused and it was probably the most stressful moment of my entire 2014. So I'm not like trying to brush it off as not a big deal, but honestly to be fair to myself I think that could happen to anyone =/

Hey guys I appreciate the feed back. And Im sorry I think u misread my post lol I don't plan to live off buy ins between 200-600. It's just what my 10k profits has come from. And these stakes I just went up to and haven't had an issue winning. In fact I feel more comfortable the higher buy in I play as people tend to play "better"poker which is easier to exploit then completelEly random play IMO. I plan to keep moving up stakes as long as things go well but as I said I've been playing the game for yrs I'm fully aware you can play like a boss over and over again and not even make it to 2nd brake. But I feel I could keep my roi around 100% ish (it's 150% right now) and honestly I think if I focused my attention towards cash game strategy I don't think I would have a problem. Right now it's just for the past yr or so I have been. Heavily focusing on my tourny game and it's definitely improved

I personally know like zero good players who think this is true and tons of losing players who believe this.

again, not trying to offend you, just trying to give you 100% honest feedback to help you make a good decision (which I don't have enough information to say exactly what it is. Good luck!)

In addition to this I think cash game pros are 100% better players then mtt pros no question.

tyty slim

ty everyone for comments!! I think this is a record for this thread for "most ongoing topics at once". I will share the results of the Palomar hand soon, and the O11 story at some point when I'm not too embarrassed to write about it anymore which will probably happen in a few weeks.

(I give up on debating the semantics of feminist)

No worries man , I will not take offense to honesty.
I should have been clear about this. Coming from $20-50 buy ins where people play almost with their hands face up.
To playing $200-600 for example where u can get someone to lay down ak on a AK272 hhh board.

To me it was more exploitable. You can bluff where it makes sense because players are paying attention.
I believe once you get to the 3k+ buy ins the poker would become much more and advanced and thus more difficult to exploit