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05-20-2015 , 11:55 AM

#601

BlazinAces

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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker

This the pic you were trying to post?

Mhmm.

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05-20-2015 , 11:57 AM

#602

BlazinAces

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 697

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Originally Posted by Bamatide88

already fixed 10 to 20 leak. 26-30 from now on.

To keep in draws that are calling a raise to 20 or 30 which is her why.

Yup

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05-20-2015 , 12:04 PM

#603

Videopro

Making TV

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,261

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Originally Posted by BlazinAces

Mhmm.

Links for pics need to end in one of the pic extensions. Like .jpg, .bmp

See: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/76...-tips-1291634/

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05-20-2015 , 12:06 PM

#604

BlazinAces

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Thanks, is there an app for this?

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05-20-2015 , 12:11 PM

#605

BlazinAces

grinder

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Originally Posted by OscarWilde

Lots of people prefer the effects of smoking to edibles. Edibles tend to have a delayed, mostly body numbing and tiring effect.

I would suggest getting a super strong strain, like Bruce Banner, Girl Scout Cookies (any phenotype), Ghost Train Haze or almost any of the ChemD/Sour D/OG Kush based hybrids and a vapor pen.

Lol definitely think a vape pen would be a good move, and I'm gonna look into getting my card here or see if my California med card would work.

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05-20-2015 , 12:11 PM

#606

JMurder3

not god, probably jebus

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 53,649

Anytime you do anything to "see where you're at" in poker, you're doing it wrong.

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05-20-2015 , 12:46 PM

#607

Da33le

leader of the normals

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8,410

Hopefully I'll get to play with you when im there and try to beat you for mucho mucho dinero

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05-20-2015 , 12:51 PM

#608

Videopro

Making TV

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Originally Posted by BlazinAces

Thanks, is there an app for this?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...activity&hl=en
Tapatalk

There you can attach an image from your device to a post.

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05-20-2015 , 01:05 PM

#609

BlazinAces

grinder

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Anytime you do anything to "see where you're at" in poker, you're doing it wrong.

Care to explain?

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05-20-2015 , 01:48 PM

#610

JMurder3

not god, probably jebus

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Originally Posted by BlazinAces

Care to explain?

Don't have time to give a full explanation right now, but the quick answer is because it doesn't mean anything & it's an incomplete thought.

So you limp/re-raise ATo in early position to see where you're at...what do you discover when someone calls? That you're probably behind & OOP? Or if they fold you were probably ahead & if they 4-bet you were almost certainly behind?

The focus needs to be on ranges & the impact that different actions will have on opening or narrowing your opponents' ranges.

It doesn't help to know where you're at if where you're at sucks because of the play you made to find out that information.

Maybe someone else can elaborate more.

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05-20-2015 , 01:54 PM

#611

gregorio

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Raising to see where you're at is an expensive way to get information. If you limp/re-raise from early position with ATo and get called, you're stuck playing a weak hand OOP in a bloated pot. What do you plan to do with the info you paid for on various types of flops?

Getting information is a nice side effect of betting/raising, but it shouldn't be the only reason you do it. Bet/raise for value, as a bluff or semi-bluff, to charge draws, and if called you have more information to help you narrow villain's range. But it's too expensive to do on its own relative to the value of the information you gain.

Last edited by gregorio; 05-20-2015 at 02:07 PM.

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05-20-2015 , 02:15 PM

#612

gregorio

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It makes sense that you'd want more info if you're playing a marginal hand OOP, which is why you shouldn't play those hands--it's too hard to know where you're at. If you're limping from early position you want a hand whose value will be easier to quantify later on.

With suited connectors, you know on the flop if you have a strong draw or garbage so your decisions are easy. With a weak suited A if you flop a pair with no draw it's easy to fold. With a PP you flop a set or you're done. With ATo if you flop either pair OOP it's really hard to know what to do.

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05-20-2015 , 02:28 PM

#613

BlazinAces

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Originally Posted by gregorio

This is more of what I was going for, probably could have elaborated more on this myself too. I really wasn't worried about the cards in this hand as much as I was playing a tight image, as I usually am if I'm limp 3betting a lot. most of the table was pretty passive so I think I'm getting folds often enough when I 3bet that if I were to find myself facing a 4bet I'd be able to fold it easily enough knowing I'm beat.

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05-20-2015 , 02:46 PM

#614

Da33le

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Some next level stuff right here. I feel like I'm reading a thread in the high stakes forum.

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05-20-2015 , 02:51 PM

#615

JMurder3

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Your thought process is all over the place. If the table is passive, it means they're raising a stronger than normal range. Passivity also had nothing to do with your fold equity. Some people are passive nits, but others are passive stations.

What are the effective stack sizes & hypothetical raise & 3-bet amounts? If your 3-bet is sized like your other raises, you'll have almost no fold equity because they'll be getting crazy good odds to call in position.

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05-20-2015 , 03:05 PM

#616

Bighurt52235

I was born to eat hamburgers

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Typically any time you're betting, you need to decide if you're getting a worse hand to call or a better hand to fold.

You'll be much better off, especially at this stage in your development, focusing on getting value from your good hands, rather than trying to outplay people OOP.

You didn't address my questions about your bet sizing. Based on those few hands you posted, that appears to be a pretty big leak that you need to address.

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05-20-2015 , 03:50 PM

#617

gregorio

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Try not to take the comments you're getting as criticism but as a chance to improve your game. When you're playing poker, you want to have as many easy decisions as possible, especially when you're playing oop. When you see ATo in early position, probably the only easy decision you're going to get in that hand is to fold. Anything other than folding is going to force you to make a hard decision with not enough information later on.

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05-20-2015 , 05:51 PM

#618

vookenmeister

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ATo is a good hand if your live 1/2 opponents are deep enough and 4betting too lightly. The Ace is a good blocker for their 4bet, fold to your 5bet shove range.

On a serious note good to see this is the first smartass comment. Some good free coaching ITT. Every hand we discuss makes us stronger. Mostly.

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05-20-2015 , 08:19 PM

#619

BlazinAces

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Definitely used the wrong word, I didn't mean passive. I meant they were raising pre OOP and check/folding on the flop if they missed. If I 3bet them pre, with any two cards really in pos. and they just flat, I cbet flop if they check and fold if they lead and I don't have anything.

This isn't something I would normally do, but it was an idea I had, so I'm not sure what the hypothetical sizing would be. Be Bet sizing is probably my most prominent leak, are there sizing guidelines?

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05-20-2015 , 08:23 PM

#620

BlazinAces

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

I must have missed the question?

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05-20-2015 , 08:25 PM

#621

BlazinAces

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Originally Posted by vookenmeister

How deep is deep enough? ...which part of this was serious?

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05-20-2015 , 08:57 PM

#622

vookenmeister

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Originally Posted by BlazinAces

How deep is deep enough? ...which part of this was serious?

Ha indeed. 1st paragraph lame joke No one 4bet folds at 1/2 ever. 2nd paragraph actually serious. Might have to lock the thread again if you keep getting serious poker advice.

Ps. Bighurt was answering the "don't bet to see where you are at" question. It's a good answer in my opinion.

Cheers.

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05-20-2015 , 09:27 PM

#623

Bighurt52235

I was born to eat hamburgers

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Originally Posted by BlazinAces

I must have missed the question?

I asked a couple times what you were hoping to accomplish by min raising your opponents' $10 flop leads. Specifically in the 764 flop hand.

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05-20-2015 , 10:53 PM

#624

BlazinAces

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I wanted a call

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05-21-2015 , 01:13 AM

#625

shulenberger

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ah I just realized what "head in the clouds" means. I'm slow on the uptake.

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