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08-04-2010 , 06:16 PM
Congratz on 100k views IFS, best thread in the forum and thoroughly deserved 5 stars.
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08-04-2010 , 06:35 PM
I don't get that fold with your set of tens. You are so heavily underrepped with the way you played your hand. Are you putting him on KQ or a flush? I can honestly see the villian bluff raising the river considering you rep nothing of any strength. He isn't putting you on a flush considering you checked back the flop, didn't raise the turn. You don't rep any large Ax hands sets, two pair. Your line looks so weak.

As for his hand. He 3-bets KQ preflop as well as AA,JJ so you're probably not behind to a set or straight. Maybe he hit a set of 6's on the river. I guess he has either a flush, 66, or nothing. Guess we'll never know.
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08-04-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Biggest losing hand:

iPoker - $6 NL - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $626.00
Hero (BB): $612.00

Hero posts SB $3.00, SB posts BB $6.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $9.00) Hero has T T

Hero raises to $18.00, SB calls $12.00

Flop: ($36.00, 2 players) 2 A J
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($36.00, 2 players) T
SB bets $27.00, Hero calls $27.00

River: ($90.00, 2 players) 6
SB bets $67.50, Hero raises to $199.00, SB raises to $581.00, fold

SB wins $487.00



I wonder if raising TTT there is too thin? I mean, i think I can rep a weak hand that turns itself into a bluff (repping a flush/straight) pritty well so I think he can hero call me a lot, but maybe I just run into the nuts too often?

Anyway, roll is 22.1k.
Overthinkaments into confusion! maybe RR a bit smaller like 2.3-2.5x instead but I suck
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08-04-2010 , 06:49 PM
tbh he prob had it but your line looks so much like what you say it is (weak made turned into bluff) that he could be bluff shoving the river. you say you sometimes check back flush draws but i doubt that is really the case.
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08-04-2010 , 07:23 PM
To be compltely honest, I just thought he was a somewhat deacent nit. I didn't think he'd have the balls/understand to ship river with nothing less than a flush.

I later found out tho, that this guy is a very good HU reg, that used to play highstakes and without a doubt got the balls for it. I talked to him via msn btw, and he said he had ATo. So I guess I got kinda owned there. Won't underestimate him again
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08-04-2010 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Money022
I don't get that fold with your set of tens. You are so heavily underrepped with the way you played your hand. Are you putting him on KQ or a flush? I can honestly see the villian bluff raising the river considering you rep nothing of any strength. He isn't putting you on a flush considering you checked back the flop, didn't raise the turn. You don't rep any large Ax hands sets, two pair. Your line looks so weak.

As for his hand. He 3-bets KQ preflop as well as AA,JJ so you're probably not behind to a set or straight. Maybe he hit a set of 6's on the river. I guess he has either a flush, 66, or nothing. Guess we'll never know.
Why would he ship river with 66, that would just be ******ed.

And yes, we do know
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08-04-2010 , 07:26 PM
Oh and 100k views - sick! Never thought this thread would get this popular :-)

Actually, the plan when I saw that it got deacently popular, was to keep my BR $$ roughly the same as the views in this thread Guess that will be a bit hard now (Not impossible tho, I could go on a heater and reach highstakes in no-time)
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08-04-2010 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
had ATo.
wtf, makes no sense to me, cos he can just call river and beat all your bluffs. no need to shove to fold out such a tiny % of value hands you have that beat his.

ask him the suit of this T imo.
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08-04-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
wtf, makes no sense to me, cos he can just call river and beat all your bluffs. no need to shove to fold out such a tiny % of value hands you have that beat his.

ask him the suit of this T imo.
Nah, if he thinks I don't have a flush often, and I fold weaker hands to a push, then his play is obv gonna be optimal, regardless of how often he's ahead. But FWIW, he said that he was like 80% sure he was behind. Weird, I thought I repped a bluff so well
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08-04-2010 , 08:16 PM
Dude, you should be playing way higher by now... Hope that your luck and even mine are gonna turn into good!!!
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08-04-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Nah, if he thinks I don't have a flush often, and I fold weaker hands to a push, then his play is obv gonna be optimal, regardless of how often he's ahead.
why would he care if you fold weaker hands than AT to a push?

are you are saying is he is trying to make hands that are stronger than AT (but weaker than a flush) fold? (if so - lol)
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08-04-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
why would he care if you fold weaker hands than AT to a push?

are you are saying is he is trying to make hands that are stronger than AT (but weaker than a flush) fold? (if so - lol)
That's exactly what I'm saying. Or to be precise, that's what he's saying. Why is that lol?
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08-04-2010 , 08:34 PM
because there is more chance of you having a flush or possibly straight and calling than you folding the best hand.

really don't think he had AT, if he did he is mental imo.
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08-04-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Nah, if he thinks I don't have a flush often, and I fold weaker hands to a push, then his play is obv gonna be optimal, regardless of how often he's ahead. But FWIW, he said that he was like 80% sure he was behind. Weird, I thought I repped a bluff so well
that doesn't make a lot of sense.. if that's the case, then calling would be more optimal than shoving?

Pretty crazy to turn a good two pair into a bluff.. like he's specifically trying to make you fold AJ, a straight, or a set? You think he could be lying to you?
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08-04-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blehhhx
that doesn't make a lot of sense.. if that's the case, then calling would be more optimal than shoving?

Pretty crazy to turn a good two pair into a bluff.. like he's specifically trying to make you fold AJ, a straight, or a set? You think he could be lying to you?
Nah, I don't think he's lying Why would anyone ask for msn, talk about other random hands and general strategy just to lie about one hand? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
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08-04-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
because there is more chance of you having a flush or possibly straight and calling than you folding the best hand.

really don't think he had AT, if he did he is mental imo.
I think he's just pritty sure that I don't have the flush and can't call with worse.

But yeah, it's definitly a marginally play, but hey, it worked, right?
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08-04-2010 , 08:40 PM
How certain do you think he is that he could get you to fold a straight or set?
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08-04-2010 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
because there is more chance of you having a flush or possibly straight and calling than you folding the best hand.

really don't think he had AT, if he did he is mental imo.
Just because he has 2 pair doesnt mean it cant be turned into a bluff.

When IFS raises the river he will have lots of bluffs but he will sometimes be going for value with str8s and sets. When villian gets raised on the river, he is only beating a bluff and behind IFS entire value range at that point, but he can make IFS fold his entire "realistic" value range since honestly, IFS never has a flush in this spot. If IFS is capable of folding str8s and sets in this spot then villian should be exploiting it by shoving 100% of the hands he gets to the river this way (obv adjust now after the fact)

So when villian bets river its for value, when he shoves he is turning hsi hand into a bluff. He is described as a really good HU reg that has played high stakes, so he is very capable of doing this.
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08-04-2010 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chamaican66
Just because he has 2 pair doesnt mean it cant be turned into a bluff.

When IFS raises the river he will have lots of bluffs but he will sometimes be going for value with str8s and sets. When villian gets raised on the river, he is only beating a bluff and behind IFS entire value range at that point, but he can make IFS fold his entire "realistic" value range since honestly, IFS never has a flush in this spot. If IFS is capable of folding str8s and sets in this spot then villian should be exploiting it by shoving 100% of the hands he gets to the river this way (obv adjust now after the fact)

So when villian bets river its for value, when he shoves he is turning hsi hand into a bluff. He is described as a really good HU reg that has played high stakes, so he is very capable of doing this.
thank you... well put.
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08-04-2010 , 08:55 PM
it's not well put, it is just nonsense.

you said yourself you sometimes can show up with flushes here.

to try to get you to fold exactly TT or KQ is so bad when you can have flushes.
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08-04-2010 , 10:28 PM
Nice going ..
What ipoker skin are you playing on ?
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08-05-2010 , 03:55 AM
sickest blog around,bow to u sir and i wish u a happy heater soon
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08-05-2010 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
it's not well put, it is just nonsense.

you said yourself you sometimes can show up with flushes here.

to try to get you to fold exactly TT or KQ is so bad when you can have flushes.
yeah, well, that's exactly how he's thinking anyway.
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08-05-2010 , 10:07 AM
Do believe good poker players lie compulsively about what cards they held.
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08-05-2010 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Why would he ship river with 66, that would just be ******ed.
Because you look weak. If the villian thinks 66 is the best hand then he's shipping it. I mean he did ship ATo on you so it can't be that ******ed.
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