Hello everyone! Before I start talking about my personal challenge involving the Hyper Turbos, I just wanted to share my previous experience with Poker.

I had a couple of nice cashes in MTTs this year but completely blew it by not having a proper bankroll management. I was actually dumb enough to play a $265 tourney when my roll was about $1500 at the time. I've been losing a lot of money in these tourneys for the last few months and decided to quit them for now. I have tried other SNG formats (Fifty50, 9 18 45 90 180 360 Man games) but no success either. I may have finally found the one that I feel like I can be a winning player

I recently started playing the $1.50 Hyper-Turbos [6-Max] and did pretty bad at first as I was being too tight on certain spots. After watching videos and studying the format a bit more, I improved my game and had better results. I know the sample size is ridiculous but I wasn't able to get a lot of volume. Here is my graph so far:




Now onto the challenge! My goal is to play 200 Hyper-Turbos [6-Max] a day and have a ROI of at least 10% (Is it achievable in this level?) Then, I would move up to the $3.50 ones with 100BI. I will be sharing the results here and appreciate the feedback!

A couple of questions to the community:

1. I also tried the Hyper-Turbo Satellites and they feel much tougher. It's basically push or shove right from the start and the variance seems a lot higher than the $1.50 Hyper-Turbos. I had a very bad run with the Sunday Storm Satellites but had an okay outcome on The Big and The Hot Sats. Are they that much different from $1.50 Hypers strategy wise ?

2. Is the variance in these games really that high? I've read from other treads you can even get a 100BI downswing and just couldn't believe it!! After I took some time to learn the format better, my worst downswing was just about 10BI (running truly bad, losing AA to A3 suited 99 to 46 etc)

3. What would be a solid sample size so that I can see if I am a winning player on the long run?

gl, i'd say 10k games sample is still tiny for 6max hypers, study icm hard and don't stop studying it... ever... enjoy

Thanks for the tips mate! It seems volume is the key here. I might try playing 6 games simultaneously as I am still 4-tabling at the moment. These hypers are a lot of fun and I learned to appreciate the inevitable bad beats People tend to forget the several times that happen in their favor too hehe

I played some 6max hypers regulars, and some satties.. Well, I don't have much experience, but I can tell you that they are pretty beatable pre rakeback untill $15 level, $30 and up is regfest and most regs are break even pre rakeback.. Also, be prepared for 100 bi's swings, they are very very common, I remember having 100bi's down and back up in one few hours session playing 12-16 tables without even noticing I was down 1200 bucks in one point at 15's Also you can check sharscope of grinders at certain levels to see their graphs swings roi etc. cheers!

EDIT: 200-300 swings will happen too, I just said that 100 ones are pretty common and happen all the time

I appreciate the info, I will check their graphs there! Whoa, these massive downswings can happen even at the $1.50 buy-in Hyper-turbos?? The reason I am only 4 tabling is because I manage to have more time to think about every single move and focus on each player's tendencies. I hope I can deal with these swings without tilting too much (One of the problems I had with MTTs)! I realized the Satellites are tougher as the edge is much smaller than 6-Max Hypers Regulars so I will probably only play them with FPPs

I played 150 Hypers today and the variance got brutal at times. My worst downswing now is 16 Buy-ins (Bad luck and a little bit of tilt). At least I got a positive ROI of 6.59% by the end of the day




I might not be able to get 200 games a day (I forgot they each take 20min tops to complete and I am just 6-tabling them) so my new objective is to obtain a minimum of 150. The following graph is for the overall results I have accomplished so far on this format:

I've been debating switching to hypers lately as well, good luck with your challenge!

Just be aware when people say "prepare for 100 BI downswings" they are not even talking about the worst case scenario.

GL

I appreciate the comment! It's starting to become my favorite format hehe You should definitely play them for a few days to see if it's your thing too!

Got it! I hope I can be prepared to confront them when the time comes. I thought 100 or more BI downswings only happened in higher limits though!

Depends on your ROI obviously but I imagine you'll have them pretty regularly at the $7s at first. What's your plan for moving up stakes?

Just finished a session of 36 Hypers and it definitely got frustrating at times. I can't believe I lost to the same player (a regular who was probably mass-tabling) three times in a row when I had a big advantage. AA to K3, AJ to A2 and the worst was 99 to 52 (he got a straight flush on the river lol). Well, at least I ended up having a slightly positive ROI. I will return and post the results here once I gather at least 150! Thanks to everyone who's following my journey

I have read that it would be best to have at least about 100BI for the $3.50 level. I might be able to give my bankroll a boost of $100 in the near future and that should help me move up stakes sooner ! Would you recommend more or less?

Tbh I and most people I know skipped the $1.5 bi level. Rake is lower and the player pool is the exact same skill level as 1.5. Won't be any real regs or even decent players 99% of the time. If you can afford to start at $3.50s with 100 BI I'd do that.

I agree with that ^

I was under the impression that the $3.50 level would be much tougher and reg infested hehe As soon as I build a solid bankroll, I will definitely make the transition !

I disagree low level stt's are often reg infested on the big sites... Mostly depends on time of day

While it's true there will be more "regs" at the $3.50 level, they're just as exploitable as the fish/randoms because the $3.50 regs and $7s regs tend to play a simple, static strategy which is very easy to counteract and they may not realise what you're doing, although even if they do, they're not likely to adjust properly.

Well, Day 2 was almost a complete disaster



I was mostly a break-even player and questioned if I could even beat this level. After 110 games, I noticed I was getting burned out (I might need to take a few breaks every now and then to cool off from bad beats) and that I was starting to get too loose-aggressive on several spots. For example, I would go all in (having 5-6 blinds) with small or medium pseudo-connectors against a min-raise from UTG who was the big stack. On other occasions I would also call SB shoves with only K4 suited or a very weak Ace against tight players. Another bummer is the fact that I had plenty of 2nd place finishes compared to Day 1, so I really need to improve my Heads-Up game.

Overall results:



As you can see in the graph, my growth has become stagnant unfortunately. Hopefully, I will have a better performance today and get a new high!


Talking about them, I actually played with gold and platinum stars yesterday. There was even a Supernova player at some point! I have no idea why they were playing the $1.50 stakes but I realized their strategy was pretty much "robotic" as you just pointed out. For instance, there was one who always shoved any two cards from the SB if everyone folded to him. So I agree they are exploitable and easy to counteract!

$3.50s have some terrible players in them you shouldn't have to worry. Once you get to $15+ (if you ever do) then you will have to deal with some solid players, and of course some really horrible regs as well.

Hi, good luck with your goals.

If you got problems with tilting, you have to work on it. Otherwise you will have some bad times at the tables, especially at 6-Max hypers. And what people say about variance is unfortunatly true, even on the micros (ofc it depends on your RIO): I had a 200 buy-in run below EV twice this year at the $3,50 level... you need a good motivation to grind that back :P

Oh, and would you mind to show your red-line (the expected winnings)? For me it's much more interesting too see, coz it erases at least a bit of the variance.

Thats pretty nice and "calm" graph for hypers

I truly appreciate all the feedback everyone! After having played more than 1200 Hyper-Turbos, I realized they just aren't for me. I know it's a ridiculous sample size but I haven't been coping with the massive variance and tilts very well. Fortunately, I have been doing great with other SNGs (Had a nice 3rd place cash on the $4.50 180 Man, which was actually the first one I ever played hehe). I am probably starting another similar challenge but for the 45 and 90Man SNGs as I am doing much better at them.

Would you say they also contain heavy variance? At least, I feel like I have a higher edge and a better shot at being profitable on the long term.

Yes but I imagine that unlike 6m hypers you will go even longer without cashing

Understood! I have been cashing out on occasion so I might take a little longer to move up to the $3.50 stakes. Gonna open a new thread by the end of the day with my new quest and results for each day. I hate to be a quitter, but the Hypers can be pretty tough to handle!