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06-09-2018 , 03:14 PM
It's weird because he knows the reaction he will get for that post but he doesn't seem to care which either means it's not true or he just has no shame.
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06-09-2018 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Is there a way to tell what the most active thread has been over the last few months?
Yeah, easy. Web scrape 2+2 forum, compile your own data analysis. Or get a programmer with background in web-scraping & data analysis do it for you.
I'd almost point a finger at myself but imo not likely you wanna pay me to do such a project.

Not only you'll tell who has been the most active, but you can find top 10-20 whatever number you want most active threads in any time frame, compile analysis of which sub-forums are more active in which time frames.

& make snakes (graphs) if you want to.

#legal. robots.txt suggests this is ok, but haven't read full TOS so not sure if "ok" with 2+2' TOS, which I'd check out first if I was to think about actually doing it

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06-09-2018 , 03:19 PM
Still better life choice than playing micros & dying.
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06-09-2018 , 03:23 PM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Drunk at 5/5/10. Huge f**kup.

I don't like to post too many degen stories because there is a sense of shame. I already receive enough hate as it is, even when I'm sober and making fairly responsible decisions, so I don't need to fuel the fire by posting stories of me f**king up massively and making extremely irresponsible decisions.

I want to post this though for two reasons: firstly, to be completely transparent about my journey. To show the good and the bad, the responsible and the degeneracy. Secondly, to hold myself accountable for my own mistakes. As much as I want to just brush this under the rug and pretend the whole night never happened, I'll never get anywhere in life with that attitude. I need to be honest with myself and take steps to ensure that this never happens again. So here goes:

Yesterday, I was having drinks with mates from pretty much the moment I woke up and had breakfast and beers at the bar. I got fairly drunk and then had to leave them for a few hours. I went to the casino alone and started playing 2/5. The table was fairly nitty and I was craving action and disappointed that I wasn't getting it. At least my bluffs were getting through though and I was slightly up.

Then I saw the 5/5 NL game getting up. I jumped at the opportunity to sit down there and gamble at the high stakes. From what I noticed, there was one whale at the table who was about half as drunk as I was, and he was playing something like a 50/0 over the last 30 hands. He never raised a single hand preflop and he would do a tonne of limp-calling, even with hands like 64o. He also tended to donk bet whenever he flopped top pair and check every other time, although I learnt this the hard way after paying him off with 99 after he limp-called pre and donked 3 streets into me on a Q327Q board.

He was a nice guy though. He stacked me for a 2k pot when he limp-called with 64o then we stacked off on a 5423 board when I had AJo. Immediately after that, he apologised for the suckout and bought me a free drink (alcohol is damn expensive in Australia - something like $13 for a Jack and Coke). I then proceeded to spill that drink all over the table and over my clothes.

I actually only left $250 down at the 5/5/10. Even though I'd donated almost 2k to the whale, I won most of it back against the regs when I managed to hit hands at the right moments, like getting a J978x runout when I had TT and getting a 864Q7 runout when I had 55.

So then my mates come to the casino and we're having more beers at the poker room bar. We're just having a conversation and everything is good, but we decide we want to play some 1/2 together. We figured that the max buyin is only $100 and nothing can really go wrong. We'll mainly just be sitting there socialising and folding.

The problem is that they're not able to get us all on the same table at 1/2 NL, but they can do that for 1/3 PLO. We figure that we can each just buy in for the $100 minimum and fold most hands. One of my friends is dirt poor and I had to stake him $100 for 50% profits, so I figured that I'm only risking $200.

What do you know, one of my mates goes bust within 5 minutes and asks me to lend him $200. He transfers the cash straight away and everything is good. Then he busts again and again, playing like a maniac and 3betting about 50% of hands, and each time asks me to lend him another $100. Only this time, he says that he passed some transfer limit and it won't let him transfer anymore, so he says he'll have to transfer the rest tomorrow. He managed to accumulate a $700 debt to me that night and tbh I'm not sure I'll be getting that money back, which is why I've decided to add it to my own losses.

My other mate, who is being staked, drops a few minimum buyins too and I keep rebuying him another $100. I think I gave him $300 total. He was playing pretty snug though so I don't mind, like he x/folded KKxx on a Q95 flop when the SPR was 1 and it was multiway. It's fine to nit up and make these kind of folds if you want to reduce variance imo. He only stacked off preflop when he had either AAxx or a perfect rundown like T987.

Despite downing pint after pint of Carlton Draught, I actually think that I'm playing okay. I'm being somewhat disciplined preflop and generally putting my money in good. At one stage, I build up a $700 stack and my other mates are done with poker and ready to leave the table. I could leave at this stage, roughly 1k down, but I tell my mates to wait 2 more hands.

One hand I get something like AQJ5 double suited and throw in a 3bet squeeze. We get to the flop, I forget what it was but I had something like TPTK with a BDFD, so I went with my hand and lost about $350 there. Don't even know what my opponent showed up with.

But I do remember the second hand: I had AAxx and this annoying French guy who had previously stacked my mate was laughing and begging me to juice up the pot, so I naturally obliged. He calls a raise OOP with TT32r. The runout comes QT44x and I just pot pot pot get it in. Standard cooler.

On the way to the food court, we stop by a blackjack table and I punt off $200 there. I know basic strategy so this was just run bad. I was about to chuck down hundreds more but my mates stopped me. So we leave the blackjack table, get to the food court and witness a fight. A glass gets smashed and police get involved. I see a guy get punched in the face a few times and I almost wish I could take that punishment instead of the financial loss.

Then I realise I left my money in my casino account, so I tell my mates to wait at the food court whilst I withdraw some cash. My mates tell me sternly that I'm not to gamble and that if I'm not back in 5 mins then they're leaving. I agree to that and assure them that I won't gamble. I don't tell them this, but on the way back to the food court, I quickly play a few more hands of blackjack with substantially bigger bets this time, but leave about even when I realise that time is going fast and I need to be back at the food court before they walk off.

It's about 1am at this stage, we eat and I'm pretending that it was a great night and all, but secretly I'm only thinking about the money and the fear of not being paid back the $700. One of my mates trains it home and the other one walks me to my apartment. I had this tingling urge to return to the casino, but once I get into my apartment, I pass out drunk in the bed.

At 9am, I hear an alarm and wake up to my girlfriend laughing at how hungover I am. I try to calculate how much I lost last night but I'm not even sure. Somewhere around the 2k mark. Not a great start to a career as a professional poker player, but what can you do? Sh*t happens.

How much money did you have left after dropping 2k to start your pro poker career?

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Finished my last day of work. Fresh start today.

I'm now officially unemployed. I finished my last shift yesterday, said my farewells and had a nice chocolate cake that the manager surprised me with. I hope to receive my last pay cheque and my annual leave pay next week, and then I'll know exactly what my bankroll and liferoll are.

I'm excited for the fresh start. I set some strict ground rules to ensure that I don't degen it all off, and that includes a $600 stoploss per day, as well as sticking strictly to 1/3 NL and nothing else. No exceptions.

I found that in the past, when I was flexible with rules (eg. "Play the 2/5 when juicy" or "Allow more than 2 buyins if the game is soft"), I ended up abusing those rules and jumping stakes. That's why I'm being much more firm and rigid from today onwards.

I know that I'm a winning player at 1/3 NL and I know that I will succeed at this challenge if I can keep my mental game intact, keep tilt under control and stick to these rules. The only way that I will possibly fail this challenge is if I don't stick to these rules. I'm confident that I can do this.

I also reset my poker income tracker app. From today onwards, I'm recording exactly what time I start and finish every session, as well as number of buyins and results, so that I can keep accurate records of all my statistics from the first day that I've gone pro onwards.

So I'm at the casino now, in the middle of a 1/3 NL sesh. I'm in for $600, which means I'm done for the day if I bust what's on the table. I had an unlucky start with 2 big suckouts and I'm down to my last $140. If I bust this then I'm done for the day.

What's interesting about these hands aren't the coolers themselves, but rather, the way I played these hands. I took slightly non-standard lines here, but I'm happy with my plays in both cases.

Hand 1 - Protecting Range Against Floaters

1/3, 9-handed, $304 effective. Villain is a very aggro degen MAWG.

Villain raises $16 UTG
Hero 3bets $60 BB with AQo
Villain calls $60

Flop ($109) is Qc Jh 5d

Hero Cbets $40
Villain calls $40

Turn ($186) is 3c

Hero checks
Villain jams $204
Hero snaps $204

River ($594) is 2c

Villain shows A4cc and scoops.

Hand 2 - Protecting Range Against Flop Raises

1/3, 9-handed, $300 effective. Villain is 40s button clicking Asian man. Tends to be stationy.

Hero is dealt Jc Jh
1 limper
Hero raises $18 UTG+1
Villain calls $18 UTG+2
Everyone else folds

Flop ($39) is Td 2d 2h

Hero bets $15
Villain raises $53
Hero 3bets $135
Villain calls $135

Turn ($298) is Td 2d 2h 2c

Hero jams $147
Villain calls $147

River ($592) is T2222

Hero flips over JJ
Asian man looks disappointed and is about to muck
Another Asian man says "you got high card? High card you win!"
Asian man double checks his hand then flips over KTo and scoops.

Results aside, I'm happy with the way I played both of those hands. I'm not even tilted either. Although I will probably have to cut this session short because of my 2 buyin stoploss. But that's okay. New opportunity tomorrow.

Will update bankroll and profits later tonight.

What are your wins/losses since starting fresh as a disciplined pro a week ago?
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06-09-2018 , 04:20 PM
I'm impressed at how fast you've climbed the ranks.
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06-09-2018 , 04:35 PM
Since starting full-time I'm $510 up after 34hrs of play in the past 7 days. Slightly disappointed that I didn't get in 40+hrs like I planned and I didn't stick to the same stakes either, but it's still something.
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06-09-2018 , 04:55 PM
6,

Is that including your loss in that first post I quoted, or is that +$510 after starting fresh on day two?
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06-09-2018 , 05:16 PM
Just realised something... What if OP has only been breaking every rule he's set... Because that's the theme of his thread? (Setting goals and immediately getting smacked down by lolvariance)
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06-09-2018 , 05:33 PM
hahahaha thread delivers
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06-09-2018 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6,

Is that including your loss in that first post I quoted, or is that +$510 after starting fresh on day two?
I worked last Saturday night. My first day as a pro was last Sunday. The drunk 5/5/10 session was last Friday. So no, that day isn't counted, since I still had my job then.
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06-09-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Me Up
Winter in Aus
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06-09-2018 , 06:04 PM
In subbed. Gl.
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06-09-2018 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I worked last Saturday night. My first day as a pro was last Sunday. The drunk 5/5/10 session was last Friday. So no, that day isn't counted, since I still had my job then.
moved up from nl300 to nl2k in 6 days, impressive, not everyone is capable of climbing the stakes so quickly

Spoiler:
vaaaaamoooo
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06-09-2018 , 06:12 PM
6,

Ok, gotcha. Thought this meant you were officially a PRO POKER PLAYER:

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Drunk at 5/5/10. Huge f**kup.
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Somewhere around the 2k mark. Not a great start to a career as a professional poker player, but what can you do? Sh*t happens.

But I guess it makes sense to not include that loss in your pro records since that was back when you were still an undisciplined rec player with money coming in from non-poker sources.

Good to see your positive results now that you’re fully focused on your poker career.
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06-09-2018 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dairuss86
Winter in Aus
He's been grinding super hard, setting goals, having purpose, etc. Such rapid success can be exhausting. OP definitely deserves/needs a break. His wifey too. He can clearly afford it, after all. He's playing 5/10/20 now.

6BM - You should educate your GF about your actual BRM situation. I bet she'd be super enthused & not anxious in the least.

If it doesn't work out, you can always marry a pillow :

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06-09-2018 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I recently saw a documentary about a young man who was really really good at math. However, he was from the wrong side of town and he and his friends did not value a traditional education. He worked as a janitor at MIT. He would solve very difficult problems in minutes and wow both the staff and students alike. I saw him in another documentary about gambling. He had a natural gift. He was tight but aggressive. He had his ups and his downs but he finally beat the game and rolled up a stake and took it to vegas. This sounds eerily similar to our hero

jus sayin
Bro! I saw those documentaries too! I just watched another one last night where he was also a state trooper in Boston so it must not have worked out too well for him in Vegas. But if the cop thing doesn’t work out either, this other guy was in the same documentary and I once saw that guy in another documentary where he would make fake checks and cash them all while pretending to be an airline pilot or a doctor or a lawyer....OP, the possibilities are endless!!!
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06-09-2018 , 07:19 PM
Can confirm legitimacy of the story, I am the Crown reg that told him about the 5/10/20, was more of a joke than an actual suggestion though LOL.
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06-09-2018 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DLuo
Can confirm legitimacy of the story, I am the Crown reg that told him about the 5/10/20, was more of a joke than an actual suggestion though LOL.
Is he as big of a degen as he comes across in this thread?
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06-09-2018 , 07:36 PM
It was my first time meeting 6betme, you can't really tell if someone's a degen from a brief encounter. He just seems like another reg to me.
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06-09-2018 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DLuo
Can confirm legitimacy of the story, I am the Crown reg that told him about the 5/10/20, was more of a joke than an actual suggestion though LOL.
Tempting 6BM into playing games he can't afford is approximately this difficult :

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06-09-2018 , 07:56 PM
Put it all on black imo.
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06-09-2018 , 07:57 PM
OP plays by his own rules. He's the Cameron Bancroft of poker. He does what he wants.

Imagine the stress involved when buying in for 50BB with about a sixth of your net worth

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06-09-2018 , 08:02 PM
The fact that he flopped 10s full and only made $200 profit for the session should be all the evidence OP needs to stay away from 5/T/20.

Still, probably not as bad of a choice as taking what will be a $1k+ trip to Sydney. OP has no self control whatsoever. Poker players tend to be bad with money, but most of them wait until they actually win to spend it frivolously. OP is blowing his money without even winning.
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06-09-2018 , 08:18 PM
Unlike most in this thread I had faith that OP would pull it off and his poker ability would help him overcome his short roll and shot taking but booking that trip to Sydney is really the straw that broke the camels back. OP so fooked it's not even funny any more.
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