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06-02-2018 , 12:54 AM
"I don't think I can get away from Ax on a 5432 board though. The guy limp-called pre, x/called the flop then x/jammed the turn. The turn brought a FD too. Am I supposed to just bet/fold the turn? We were slightly under 100bbs deep too."

Chk turn..evaluate Villains hand range river

why NORoulette??!!Or Craps Or BIGWHEEL?!!!!!!
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06-02-2018 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
gotta be a troll, nobody can be this ******ed.
Have you ever been drunk before? Or do you just make perfect responsible decisions all the time?
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06-02-2018 , 01:05 AM
Dude, you are getting drunk at work now. Your sole source of income.
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06-02-2018 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Any2Cards2008
"I don't think I can get away from Ax on a 5432 board though. The guy limp-called pre, x/called the flop then x/jammed the turn. The turn brought a FD too. Am I supposed to just bet/fold the turn? We were slightly under 100bbs deep too."

Chk turn..evaluate Villains hand range river

why NORoulette??!!Or Craps Or BIGWHEEL?!!!!!!
Well obviously in hindsight, I wish I'd just checked turn and flatted river. But that's being a bit results-oriented.

The reality is that villain had shown stationy tendencies, which is more reason for me to value bet thinner. It's also quite hard for someone to have a 6. They're far more likely to have Ax than 6x. And he'll occassionally hero me off with a 1pr hand. Did you see some of the bluffs I pulled in other 5/5/10 games where people made insane hero calls with hands like AJ on a QQTT5 board? I need to punish people who have hero-cally tendencies like that.

Craps is too slow. Roulette and big wheel are too -EV. The house edge in blackjack actually isn't that high if you play correctly, and I've memorised the basic strategy chart because I used to try to count cards before I got into poker.
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06-02-2018 , 01:49 AM
hes limping almost every hand, why is it hard for him to have 6x? value bet thin on river, your not getting 3 streets so turn is a check, so you don't get stacked like a fish by a whale with 6x.
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06-02-2018 , 01:54 AM
Come on man. That's results-oriented thinking.
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06-02-2018 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Well obviously in hindsight, I wish I'd just checked turn and flatted river. But that's being a bit results-oriented.

The reality is that villain had shown stationy tendencies, which is more reason for me to value bet thinner. It's also quite hard for someone to have a 6. They're far more likely to have Ax than 6x. And he'll occassionally hero me off with a 1pr hand. Did you see some of the bluffs I pulled in other 5/5/10 games where people made insane hero calls with hands like AJ on a QQTT5 board? I need to punish people who have hero-cally tendencies like that.

Craps is too slow. Roulette and big wheel are too -EV. The house edge in blackjack actually isn't that high if you play correctly, and I've memorised the basic strategy chart because I used to try to count cards before I got into poker.
House edge is high at crown due to dealer sitting on 22.
That hand is not hindsight that is poker theorum. You should be checking back almost 100% on that turn vs all villains. I did read your AJ hand, it is a different board texture and presents a more polarised board and your hand range was capped with your turn raise. So it looked like Villain was ahead-plus he was going for a Royal Suckout
This board has many possible hands that villain could chk raise with as pure value vs bluffs. Even the craziest chinese players do not call off 1 pair on 2345 for all their chips. 66 67s 56s 46s A6s 22combos Value hands that beat you is enough

Are you sure you havn't been watching too much "21" movie Pretty Awesome if you can count cards!! Just learn to count from 1-7 and you wont go broke with AJ on 2345 again
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06-02-2018 , 02:06 AM
He was only limping about 50% of hands. Even I was surprised to see 64o.

And I genuinely thought that I could get 3 streets of value.
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06-02-2018 , 02:08 AM
Guesstimating that the BR is around 5K one day into turning "pro" now?
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06-02-2018 , 02:18 AM
6bet,

I like your positive attitude.
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06-02-2018 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Guesstimating that the BR is around 5K one day into turning "pro" now?
Devil's advocate.....5k is plenty to play 1/2 or 1/3 as a single 24 yr old with zero obligations other than not to die.

If anyone's taking action...I need serious odds to place money on OP.

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06-02-2018 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6bet,

I like your positive attitude.
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Guesstimating that the BR is around 5K one day into turning "pro" now?
Not sure exactly. I haven't done the maths yet. And I still need to see what my final work pay will be. But I estimate that it's a bit over 5k.

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Originally Posted by Lordkjun
Devil's advocate.....5k is plenty to play 1/2 or 1/3 as a single 24 yr old with zero obligations other than not to die.

If anyone's taking action...I need serious odds to place money on OP.

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I think that 5k is enough for 1/3 NL too. And lol I'd prop bet on myself succeeding, although it's difficult for me to prove to you guys exactly what my bankroll is, so you'd just have to take my word for it.
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06-02-2018 , 04:56 AM
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Not sure exactly. I haven't done the maths yet. And I still need to see what my final work pay will be. But I estimate that it's a bit over 5k.
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06-02-2018 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Thank you.



Not sure exactly. I haven't done the maths yet. And I still need to see what my final work pay will be. But I estimate that it's a bit over 5k.



I think that 5k is enough for 1/3 NL too. And lol I'd prop bet on myself succeeding, although it's difficult for me to prove to you guys exactly what my bankroll is, so you'd just have to take my word for it.
But you don't play 1/3, you play PLO, 2/5, 5/10 etc.
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06-02-2018 , 06:17 AM
5K bankroll is an ok bankroll for 1/3, but you dont have much room at all to **** up like OP seems to do on a regular basis regarding tilt, spending habits,playing at higher stakes severly underrolled+++.

Even sticking to 1/3 exclusively, if you hit a big soul crushing downswing (wich OP also will do sooner or later even if he doesent think it will happen or not), that 5K is gonna be wiped out within a week or even 2-4 big losing sessions where the buyins keep flying.

Your house is burning big time if your bankroll is only 5K and this is your only source of income.

Also i am speechless about OP degening it up playing drunk,lending money out to others and torching off 2K in a night. At this point with your repeatedly self claimed dreams of becoming a serious pro,moving up stakes,changing your life habits and all those big ambitious talks- i am lost for words regarding how you at the same time manage to **** up for yourself big time once more. Unbelieveable.
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06-02-2018 , 06:37 AM
My wife (who is a very successful lady) just said something that kinda struck a note with me and made me think of this thread (it was a random conversation about someone who perhaps had underachieved in life)

"It's easy to be successful. Just look at all the people around you and work harder than they do. Most people just don't have it in them to work really hard for a long time, and they just buy into all that motivational garbage instead, which actually counts for **** all."

She's right...I remembered Alex Ferguson speaking about Ronaldo's training ethic and dug this out...

"During my time at Manchester United I was lucky enough to have a lot of people who put in countless extra hours to get better.
Gary Neville turned himself from an average footballer into a wonderful one because of his work ethic, as did David Beckham.
But Ronaldo used to completely exhaust himself, and still does. He just wanted to be the best in the world.”


So I can tell you Op who will the best player in your casino, or any casino or anywhere online.

It will be the player who works relentlessly and endlessly to improve their game, technically, mentally, every which way.

The irony is that anybody who has the basic IQ and epic work ethic needed to excel at poker would be able to succeed at any number of careers.

Bottomline, success is 90% perspiration 10% inspiration.

And it was ever thus
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06-02-2018 , 07:41 AM
Right^^

Most people dont want success as much as they want sleep

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06-02-2018 , 08:07 AM
Maybe the last "nondickheaded" post I can make here....

@ OP no one cares how elaborate your play was at the table. You're not on tv. Just make your money. I was in similar shoes to yours at a younger age than you. I get wanting to "prove yourself." No one cares. Ever....in any job. Just get your money. I make $28/hr @1/2 over a 2k hr sample in the most boring fashion. I would describe my style in 2+2 terms as some weird bastard child of GG, Mike Starr, and Petrucci. It's not fun to watch but who cares when you're winning. Money spends the same.

I hit the hard heater like you did(are) at the same age. I bought my wife the bakery she always wanted. It did well for 7 years. She got sick and we liquidate...I'm back to the tables to find the next chapter in life. Use poker as a means to an end. I disagree with most in this forum....I love casino life. But it's selfish and based on your posts, you care about your gf. She's with you (at least financially) based on a misconception. Fix that asap or explain it in layman's terms. Tell her what you're paying yourself weekly, and budget accordingly.......This is coming from a man who's been with the same woman for 17 yrs....since b4 we could legally buy beer lol. If she's your ride or die.....be honest, and find out. Very few significant others can weather the storm, and you haven't proven yourself the rock yet.

Lol....I've been drinkin all night and coming home after earning the rent and the bill payments while under rolled on the tables in one of the toughest rooms in the country.....so **** it if you're not interested in the voice of experience. For some reason, myself and countless others in this thread continue to volunteer our knowledge and our scars for your benefit. Smarten up or you're ****ed.......long and hard.

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06-02-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
My girlfriend never laughs at me when I'm in genuine pain. She'll only laugh at minor things like a hangover.

The main reason I staked my friend was just so I had an excuse to play without ditching them. I knew it was extremely -EV.

Yeah I regret loaning so much to the other friend, but I was drunk at the time and we don't always make the best decisions when we've had 5 pints of beer and 2 JD and cokes.

I don't think I can get away from Ax on a 5432 board though. The guy limp-called pre, x/called the flop then x/jammed the turn. The turn brought a FD too. Am I supposed to just bet/fold the turn? We were slightly under 100bbs deep too.

Like I said earlier though, I'm not a quitter. Every mistake I make is an opportunity to learn and improve. These mistakes actually bring me closer towards my goal, not further away.
you're supposed to check turn behind
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06-02-2018 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I think that 5k is enough for 1/3 NL too. And lol I'd prop bet on myself succeeding, although it's difficult for me to prove to you guys exactly what my bankroll is, so you'd just have to take my word for it.
I would take any bet up to your whole bankroll and I would even take your word for it. Unfortunately you're not going to be able to pay me after I win the bet.
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06-02-2018 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Drunk at 5/5/10. Huge f**kup.

I need to be honest with myself and take steps to ensure that this never happens again. So here goes:

Yesterday, I was having drinks with mates from pretty much the moment I woke up and had breakfast and beers at the bar. I got fairly drunk and then had to leave them for a few hours. I went to the casino alone and started playing 2/5.
I'm not sure what you consider the big mistake you made. However, it was the fact that you had a drink and then started playing poker. People are drawn to the "poker lifestyle" because they don't like other people telling them what to do. To be successful though, they need to make rules for themselves. About 20 years ago, Dnegs built up his bankroll to nearly $1 million. Within the next 9 months he lost almost all of it until he realized that drinking and poker don't mix.

He made a rule that as soon as he started drinking during the day, he was done with poker for that day. You need to follow the same rule.

There's only minority of players that have the capability of beating poker technically. Of those, most are knocked out of the poker world by their other vices such as poor bankroll management and drug issues (which includes alcohol). A reason so many people are telling you to stop is because you've shown no sign that you have any control over those other areas. Consider this your first warning. Unlike a job where you show up drunk, nobody is going to fire you eventually. However, have two more nights like this and you'll have fired yourself.
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06-02-2018 , 09:37 AM
This can't be real:

1. Be a pro player
2. Get piss drunk before playing poker
3. Jumping up two stakes beyond your BR
4. Lending money to other degenerate gamblers to play bingo poker with
5. Drunkenly staggering between the pits and poker table
6. Pro life yo

I can see how quitting the day job really smartened up your professionalism OP.
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06-02-2018 , 09:47 AM
tbh OP given your current situation your only focus right now should be to build bankroll at 1/3 or 1/2 exclusively, get good sleep schedule and go to the gym on a regular basis, probably avoid taking many if any day off in the near future
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06-02-2018 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
tbh OP given your current situation your only focus right now should be to build bankroll at 1/3 or 1/2 exclusively, get good sleep schedule and go to the gym on a regular basis, probably avoid taking many if any day off in the near future
+1

Cut down on drinking, cook more, possibly dump high rake gf (although that's your choice), buy PIO, prepare yourself for a long grind up to live mid/high stakes.
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06-02-2018 , 10:01 AM
Lol.....I love the term "high rake gf." The wife is 100% catching that next time she asks for money (even though she's not). Will post results.

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