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Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

05-27-2018 , 08:55 PM
Something with riding the swings after having been to disneyland.....

Your girl is already starting to show signs of being used to living the high-life.
Her saying the usual 'you care more about [insert time-consuming job which pays well] than me' is a red flag.

Basically, it means that she couldn't give a flying **** about how youre doing at the pokertables. She is going to demand A LOT of your time from now on since youre 'free' now. Poker is all fun when it brings the money in, but when it starts taking back money your girlfriend will be very very dissaproving and unsupportive.

Poker players themselves handle swings bad, let stand people around them who aren't used to swings of thousands of dollars. Unfortunately, there's no good solution for this problem. I try to always keep it vague and avoid specifying numbers and play good weather for as far as possible. The most important thing is that you should never tell when you had a huge session.

However, from what I've seen from your person ITT, you will start talking about the numbers (if you haven't already) creating huge amounts of extra stress and problems.
It's understandable, don't get me wrong. Poker is your only activity, subjects for conversation run out quickly being together 24/7 and you feel like you deserve at least one person with whom you can be honest about it all.

I expect her attitude to become very negative and unsupportive during your downswing. She will advise you to perhaps:

1. Quit and take the money (This means she wants to spend it all before its lost with poker)
2. Look for gambling addiction help
3. Break up if you don't stop losing money
4. Go back to being a pizza boy
5. Join a pokerforum and improve your game through advice of other poker players who have played the game for years/ millions of hands/ went through all the swings etc.

My guess is that OP will take option nr 6 and keep on playing underrolled in high variance games, igoring all advice, monkey tilting and spending his money. I hope OP at least goes broke on the poker tables and not playing BJ or roulette.
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05-27-2018 , 09:12 PM
Run it up in the daily MTT's iyam. Obviously OPs game is super well-rounded & can crush every game/structure. **** ROI/BRM, etc. Gotta blow off steam somehow.

Let's. Go.
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05-27-2018 , 11:09 PM
yeah, the girlfriends getting jumpy now that the "we have to tighten our belts" lecture has sunk in. Not a good sign.
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05-28-2018 , 12:49 AM
A much needed win at 1/3 NL

The past 4 sessions hadn't been great for me:
1) Lost $1100 playing a mix of 1/3 NL and a $60 MTT
2) Lost $1300 playing a mix of 2/5 NL and a $150 MTT
3) Lost $100 by playing on a poker app
4) Lost $30 at 1/3 PLO

So I needed a bit of a confidence boost, and that came today with a +$515 session at 1/3 NL.

I ran pretty hot. Went through a phase where I was constantly being dealt premium after premium: AJs followed by ATs followed by AKo followed by AQo followed by JJ twice.

So I'd been raising and 3betting a lot over a small sample size, and people automatically assumed that I was getting out of line. There was a hand where I had JJ in the BB, a few limpers, some guy raises to $20, I 3bet to $75 and he flats. I win the hand postflop and don't show.

Literally the very next hand, I'm dealt JJ again in the SB. The same guy now opens to $20 and I decide to 3bet to $75 once again. Only this time, he doesn't flat my 3bet... he 4bet jams $290 and I snap call.

He ends up having A3o and sucking out, but the important thing to gain from this is the way some otherwise loose-passive players will occasionally play back at you if they feel like you're getting out of line.

Here's another example:
Hero raises $15 UTG with ATdd
Tight-passive girl flats $15 SB

Flop ($30) Ah 8s 6h

Girl checks, hero bets $20, girl calls $20

Turn ($70) Ah 8s 6h 6d

Girl checks, hero bets $40, girl calls $40

River ($140) Ah 8s 6h 6d 5c

Girl leads $50, hero calls $50
Girl shows 87dd

Bluffing with blockers? I like it. But I don't like her sizing. If she made it $100 or more then I'd have folded.

So yeah, my faith in poker has been restored. It's nice to book a win after a few horribly unlucky sessions in a row.

Total live profit for year: +$12,374
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05-28-2018 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
A much needed win at 1/3 NL

The past 4 sessions hadn't been great for me:
1) Lost $1100 playing a mix of 1/3 NL and a $60 MTT
2) Lost $1300 playing a mix of 2/5 NL and a $150 MTT
3) Lost $100 by playing on a poker app
4) Lost $30 at 1/3 PLO

So I needed a bit of a confidence boost, and that came today with a +$515 session at 1/3 NL.

I ran pretty hot. Went through a phase where I was constantly being dealt premium after premium: AJs followed by ATs followed by AKo followed by AQo followed by JJ twice.

So I'd been raising and 3betting a lot over a small sample size, and people automatically assumed that I was getting out of line. There was a hand where I had JJ in the BB, a few limpers, some guy raises to $20, I 3bet to $75 and he flats. I win the hand postflop and don't show.

Literally the very next hand, I'm dealt JJ again in the SB. The same guy now opens to $20 and I decide to 3bet to $75 once again. Only this time, he doesn't flat my 3bet... he 4bet jams $290 and I snap call.

He ends up having A3o and sucking out, but the important thing to gain from this is the way some otherwise loose-passive players will occasionally play back at you if they feel like you're getting out of line.

Here's another example:
Hero raises $15 UTG with ATdd
Tight-passive girl flats $15 SB

Flop ($30) Ah 8s 6h

Girl checks, hero bets $20, girl calls $20

Turn ($70) Ah 8s 6h 6d

Girl checks, hero bets $40, girl calls $40

River ($140) Ah 8s 6h 6d 5c

Girl leads $50, hero calls $50
Girl shows 87dd

Bluffing with blockers? I like it. But I don't like her sizing. If she made it $100 or more then I'd have folded.

So yeah, my faith in poker has been restored. It's nice to book a win after a few horribly unlucky sessions in a row.

Total live profit for year: +$12,374
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05-28-2018 , 01:14 AM
Guess that means the home cooking is off the menu for now.
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05-28-2018 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
My solution to overspending


My girlfriend doesn't think in a mathematical way. She doesn't really think about numbers, finances, budgets, bankroll management, EV, variance, etc. She thinks in a more social/emotional way. And I mean, there's nothing wrong with different people seeing the world through different lenses, but this can become problematic when she doesn't really stop to consider things like income vs expenses, and whether we can actually afford the lifestyle we're living or not.

I think from her perspective, I'm being a little bit selfish by trying to cut down my own expenses and increasing the burden on her. I also think that she interprets me not wanting to go out to restaurants with her as me not wanting to spend time with her. In her mind, poker is consuming me and it's caused me to stop caring about her. "You care about poker more than you care about me."
.

Unless she is literally stupid, it should not be too difficult to sit down and explain to her the basic finances of your position, its hardly rocket science, any grown adult will understand it, the question is will she care. It sounds like shes the one being selfish if she expects you to keep splurging money like your ballers.
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05-28-2018 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Guess that means the home cooking is off the menu for now.
Too bad. OP was just finding his groove in the kitchen :



Wifey still not feelin' it though :


Last edited by Phil Me Up; 05-28-2018 at 01:53 AM.
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05-28-2018 , 04:17 AM
Just eat her fish properly and you'll be ok.
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05-28-2018 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
OP accuses girlfriend of being delusional. The irony.
Yea I'm still slightly leaning the thread is a troll.

Every few days OP makes an "insightful" post about sticking to BR, only playing when he is in a good spot mentally and physically, or adjusting his lifestyle to one that is better suited for what he is trying to do.

Meanwhile, he ignores or actively argues when given this exact feedback in this thread.

He is young and surely a bit immature. No offense, OP, we were all there.

However, I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for people to recognize their deficiencies when they are clearly laid out for them through well thought out posts and examples.

Being formerly in the field of psychology i was exposed to Jung and really enjoyed reading Joseph Campbell in my 20s. There are motifs and archetypes that repeat themselves again and again. If a person is able to see themselves falling into these patterns of life it is easier to find a way to break out and reverse it.

Time and again people can be warned and shown these patterns but not actually see themselves in them. The Heroes Journey has not been fully understood by the masses. We tend to get stuck on being a Hero but fail to recognize that we are not that special. We are all on a path. A Hero stumbles and falls. A Hero should also look at the failures and pitfalls highlighted around them to avoid inevitable mistakes.

That being said, I still feel like I'm being trolled. Maybe this is just the universe trolling me/us. I think that happens too.
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05-28-2018 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
yeah, the girlfriends getting jumpy now that the "we have to tighten our belts" lecture has sunk in. Not a good sign.
I knew this would happen. I warned OP of this a number of posts back, but he ignored it (as usual).

He should have never splashed out on his gf. She is now used to being spoilt and once that disappears, she will leave him.

I also agree with Crown. Regular people can't handle the monetary swings and general lifestyle that comes with being a poker pro. There are many cases of gfs leaving guys when they turn pro. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens to OP. Then he will really hit rock bottom, emotionally speaking.
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05-28-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
A much needed win at 1/3 NL

The past 4 sessions hadn't been great for me:
1) Lost $1100 playing a mix of 1/3 NL and a $60 MTT
2) Lost $1300 playing a mix of 2/5 NL and a $150 MTT
3) Lost $100 by playing on a poker app
4) Lost $30 at 1/3 PLO



So yeah, my faith in poker has been restored. It's nice to book a win after a few horribly unlucky sessions in a row.

Total live profit for year: +$12,374
Have you actually ever had a proper downswing? I mean a real one.. Where you lose for weeks not for 3-4 days or 3-4 hours? How can you possibly hope to make it in this game when you constitute 4 losing sessions as "horribly unlucky"? 4 losing session is really standard, two of them aren't really losing when you only managed to lose like 40bb together. You only managed to lose like 7-8BI overall which is a super super standard swing...

It's posts like this that get people to dislike/troll the **** out of you, you really don't understand/experienced the variance of this game have you?
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05-28-2018 , 11:12 AM
Pio advices you to fold your girlfriend at a high frequency

One question, OP

Spoiler:
are you paying taxes?
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05-28-2018 , 11:27 AM
OP you should really listen to mahsjdi, hes an expert on down swings.
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05-28-2018 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
OP you should really listen to mahsjdi, hes an expert on down swings.
lol
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05-28-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
Have you actually ever had a proper downswing? I mean a real one.. Where you lose for weeks not for 3-4 days or 3-4 hours? How can you possibly hope to make it in this game when you constitute 4 losing sessions as "horribly unlucky"? 4 losing session is really standard, two of them aren't really losing when you only managed to lose like 40bb together. You only managed to lose like 7-8BI overall which is a super super standard swing...

It's posts like this that get people to dislike/troll the **** out of you, you really don't understand/experienced the variance of this game have you?
I can guarantee you that OP have never experienced a proper downswing. (As you also probably know i guess, but just saying).

He is in for a freaking epic wakeupcall once that day comes where he inevitably going to drop like $5000+ in a week or two playing 1/3, and torch his short roll into dust. Because that IS coming if you play enough, and its nothing you can do to avoid it.Your AA pre going to be shot down time and time over again for stacks. You going to be on the wrong side of onavoidable coolers and setups over and over and over again. Your going to run KK into AA more often than you ever thought was possible. Gruesome downswings is coming sooner or later, no matter how good you are or no matter how you approach the game.
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05-28-2018 , 04:15 PM
I dunno losing for several weeks in live poker you'd have to run reaaaaaaaaally bad, almost a statistical anomaly
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05-28-2018 , 04:23 PM
Haha... ”Weeks” being the worst of it. Good one
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05-28-2018 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
I dunno losing for several weeks in live poker you'd have to run reaaaaaaaaally bad, almost a statistical anomaly
Several weeks gets you a few thousand hands at most. Losing in a <10k sample is not an anomaly, it's expected to happen frequently. We might know this but I bet you OP doesn't realize this.
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05-28-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
I dunno losing for several weeks in live poker you'd have to run reaaaaaaaaally bad, almost a statistical anomaly

It really isnt that rare compared to what people think. The key is you need to play enough to get there where those downswings is coming, playing thousands of hours. Everyone decent i know in poker who have played big samples over several years have experienced horrible downswings and ran worse than many people cant wrap their head around.

Most rec players who plays maybe once a week or couple of weekends pr month likely never is going to experience how bad the doomswitch can get.
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05-28-2018 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Several weeks gets you a few thousand hands at most. Losing in a <10k sample is not an anomaly, it's expected to happen frequently. We might know this but I bet you OP doesn't realize this.
+1. I've had two 40k hand breakeven stretches in the last year, and I'm almost a 10bb/100 winner over that time. This is online, so tougher games than OP has, but he will run into at least 20k BE stretches, which is 600+ hours, or 15+ forty hour weeks.
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05-28-2018 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
It really isnt that rare compared to what people think. The key is you need to play enough to get there where those downswings is coming, playing thousands of hours. Everyone decent i know in poker who have played big samples over several years have experienced horrible downswings and ran worse than many people cant wrap their head around.

Most rec players who plays maybe once a week or couple of weekends pr month likely never is going to experience how bad the doomswitch can get.
If a rec player who plays once a week, went thru the bad luck, coolers, outdraws and other nonsense Ive seen in the last 185ish hours, I doubt they would ever play again.

This 185 hrs stretch of insanity that I'm enduring could last them over a year. They would lose a ton and probably think poker is unbeatable.
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05-28-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Several weeks gets you a few thousand hands at most. Losing in a <10k sample is not an anomaly, it's expected to happen frequently. We might know this but I bet you OP doesn't realize this.
it doesn't happen that often when you have a 30bb/100 edge though does it?

played with a calculator for fun and it said that a 300bb downswing only occurs 2.64% of the time over 5000 hands if you win at 30BB/100
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05-28-2018 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
it doesn't happen that often when you have a 30bb/100 edge though does it?
But OP doesn't have that.
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05-28-2018 , 04:37 PM
He won't experience a proper downswing, because he's lucky, imo. Think, like, lottery winners.
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