You seem to be very good from your posts, but I suggest you open your mind up more to max exploitative thinking when the situation warrants it. I see this leak often, over applying sims to situations that are 100% rock.

When someone throws rock 100% of the time, we dont throw paper 33%. And the beauty of live poker is that most villains are throwing rock 100% of the time.

As an example, in the QJ hand, its a fairly standarf flop or turn check for me at $25NL+. In live poker it is a double barrel for reasons Im too lazy to type but can be summarized as villains being showdown happy otr to almost absurd standards.

Exactly, that explain the situation.

Ask anybody who have played 3000 hours+ of livepoker, and they will tell you accurately what a true OMC 3 bet range is: KK+

5/10 is not comparable either, because those games plays alot more active and aggro with more 3 betting than a typical 1/3 game.

you need a hell of a sample of showdowns to fold QQ there, OP didn't have that, if you just mindlessly fold QQ in this exact spot against any old dude that looks like a nit you're definitely making a mistake

I understand the exploitative approach and I'm definitely open to it, I'm just saying that you can't just make decision based on the age of the player in front of you, I've seen old guys who appeared to be huge nits show up with the weirdest hands at showdown, so yes I'll tighten up significantly but not as far as folding queens there

Fwiw Im obviously not folding queens there, was just an observation from your posts. Thinking in max exploitative lines is almost if not more complex than solving the game tree. It's fun, you should try it.

Absolutely....I agree with you on not judging a book by it's cover.

However,

OP is a master at identifying players into specific categories. (One that apparently Jaman Burton could learn from.)

OP identified him as an OMC.

OMC only 3! KK+



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You dont need that big of a samplesize to pretty accurately fold QQ in a spot like that in a small livegame no.Most live villains are insanely predicctable. Its a combination of live experience, population tendencies, accurate profiling on the spesific villain at the table as you play with him,being tuned in on sizing tendencies regarding the villain,body language when he have the nutz and alot more.

I cannot count the times ive folded QQ pre against a nit/OMC 3 bet, and the guy shows his KK/AA with disgust and says something like "Damn, i was hoping you had a real hand this time". Sometimes i resist showing my hand when that happens, sometimes i dont and cant help myself rubbing it in.

And no, its not like i "mindlessly fold QQ against an old guy that looks like a nit". I am obviously building up reads and an accurate profile as possible before i am considering making such a fold.

you forget I've been around for 11 years, I haven't always had a theoretical approach haha

QQ you're flipping or dominated. On a short roll what is the best use of your money?


And Garick he is drawing dead. Let's just assume he in fact "makes it" and builds up a roll. What does it even mean? How many 2/5 5/10 guys have actually built a nice life through poker? I know of maybe 2 people (out of who knows how many) and 1 of them binked an mtt.

H1:

Yeah, I probably sigh fold QQ here but it may also depend on your image (with my nit image it's an easier fold).

H2:

I've really gone back and forth lately whether raising hands like AJ/AT/KQ in LP after multiple limpers at loose tables is a good thing. I think I'm slowing concluding it might not be, but I'm really fence sitting and could be convinced otherwise. If betting flop, I would have bet much less. As played, flop fold is trivial, imo.


ETA: Think the 55 hand is ok, not sure I could fold the river since this does look a little blocking bettyish by two pears. AJo is spew preflop (imo) although I might actually bet a 1/3rd PSB on the flop and hope I'm up against AK/AQ (and then done with the hand after that).

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Yes that's true. He should just state it though. We all know he's playing on a tiny roll, I'm not sure why he's trying to hide it from anyone.

It strikes me that OP just wants to get rich quick, rather than be in this for the long term. He would be better served grinding MTTs online. That way he'd at least have a chance to hit a huge score.

It also strikes me that OP has a number of deep seated insecurities:

-he overspends on his gf to impress her
-he desperately wants to outplay his opponents on every hand (hence all the triple barrel bluffs he's posting to feed his ego/insecurities)
-he wants to be recognized for something in his life. He dropped out of uni, he quit his job, poker is the only thing he's got left.

He is using poker to fill an emotional void, so he's going to hit the wall harder than most when things go south (which they inevitably will at some point).

His total winnings aren't that impressive either when you consider the stakes he's been playing. His winnings are essentially a good month at 2/5.

You haven't played much 1/2 or 1/3 so your view is pretty irrelevant on the subject. This is a clear example of why an online crusher isn't automatically a crusher when playing 1/2. Many low stakes players always flat raises with KK. I know a 95+ year old player that plays a lot of hands but only raises with AA. Anything worse than that he limps.


That depends what you define as a nice life. Playing poker for a living can provide a decent middle class income with very little upside. Poker pros are generally the least successful people by far in most 5/T+ lineups.

this read would warrant folding QQ dream crusher but OP didn't have a read of that magnitude on villain that 3bet to $88 with a $197 stack, all he knew is that this villain had opened 88 UTG meaning he is clearly not as tight as this 95 yr old player you're talking about

This comment actually blew my mind bc of how true it is.

Weird.

Dude, the OMC had KK. What more evidence do you need?

yeah I'm not expecting to never see KK there broadwaysushy....... just not enough of the time to warrant a fold, you're aware you don't need to win with ur hand 100% of the time to show profit right?

The worst played hand is 3betting ajo against the guy who previously limped ak.

Owning your own home/condo. That criteria alone eliminates probably 98% of all lol poker pros.

The game is just way too simple/solved at this point. Basically you have to pray to run good when/if one of marks decides to punt it off. Picking off a bluff here or getting value there against regs just isn't enough in this game. Tbf I get sooooo ****ing tilted watching Neemes vlogs I had to stop watching- people just throw money at him with no equity and his hand distributions are off the ****ing charts.

From his pov I'm sure life is just dandy- but it's not normal. I don't remember the last time I flopped a set or AA/KK or someone shipping 100bbs into me with 7 high. And before anyone says it, yeah I am a little bitter and pissed in general at variance/ this game.

Dude, you just admitted you don't play live low stakes. So why comment on a situation that you have no experience of?

Dr. Phil ITT

to be honest you're probably just not very good, you might want to just look at improving instead of thinking you're the unluckiest of the bunch

Lol.... I encourage everyone to

1. Estimate where they think they make all money,

2. Estimate what the EV is in those spots (not just coolers ffs) and

3. Actually work them out like a professional. And not mapping them out your hand vs their range, I'm talking about range vs range.

You'll be shocked at what you find

Folding QQ for 50bb is just bad it doesnt matter the stakes/situation(only in mtts with ICM involved ofc it could be right), and this is coming from a guy that folded kk last week 100bb deep on 200z. People could be tilted and showing off with J7o(their favorite hand), or JJ even, saying "**** this short stack, lets get it in".

100bb its different and folding AK/QQ pre is normal vs some nits, but we have a lot of data to rely on rather than "he is old" to make the fold

you may want to take your own advice, I've been doing that for quite a while and I'm winning, more than the dudes you watch on youtube¸

all I mean to say is stop blaming bad luck and get to work if you want to win, variance is a thing but you won't lose for a year straight if you have a solid edge in cash games

Folding QQ for 50bb is fine in the right spots.

Yeah but who wants to be a lawyer or businessman pulling down $350+ hourly when you can have a perfectly balanced 5bet range instead? 'Success' is sticking it to The Man and being respected as a top shark at the tables.