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11-13-2018 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
or you could use the nodelock feature and get the perfect counter strategy to your opponent's bad strategy
+1. One of the big improvements I made to my game a few months back came from nodelocking. Pio study is kinda meh for live due to so many pots being multiway but everyone now and then I’ll pick up something. It’s +EV but I don’t know if it’s the highest ROI study method. I find it interesting so I actually study more because of it.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 11-13-2018 at 01:39 AM.
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11-13-2018 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
What’s wrong with it? Seems very reasonable there. I play the hand the same way. Maybe I size bigger on turn and smaller on river depending on the opponent but the hand seems well played.

I dno, he seems to shove a lot and half the time I don't really understand why. (Sort of noob here). After I asked him though he explained why. I'm still more for a smaller bet in that situation as I'd rather increase my chances of a call but that's just me.


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11-13-2018 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
+1. One of the big improvements I made to my game a few months back came from nodelocking. Pio study is kinda meh for live due to so many pots being multiway but everyone now and then I’ll pick up something. It’s +EV but I don’t know if it’s the highest ROI study method. I find it interesting so I actually study more because of it.
Lol good luck node locking all the possible turn and river as it changes flop strategy a lot. And you will have 1 flop after tedious work.

Also if you play in a good live game hu pots on flop should be very rare
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11-13-2018 , 03:12 AM
I would concede that I play more multiway pots than heads up pots. There are some ways in which Pio can be useful for multiway pots though. It has helped me recognize for instance what hands make good bluffing candidates or when certain hands might be worse in terms of their absolute hand strength, but they might still make for better calls.

This is a bit of a derail on my part so I’ll drop it now, but I don’t think 6bet is wasting his time.
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11-13-2018 , 05:41 AM
I like how OP seems genuinly shocked that PIO in fact does NOT advise him to barrel off/overbet shove every tiniest shred of equity in every single spot
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11-13-2018 , 06:24 AM
Love this PG@C thread. Read through first ~45 pages excepting OP to have completely crashed and burned given his approach to bankroll management and living expenses.

Will flick back and catch up on the other 2000 posts I’ve not read but just wanted to say everything everybody said at the beginning of the thread is just such good advice. I would definitely recommend going back and reading it all again.

What’s your roll at now? Are you still spending a **** ton of your roll feeding both yourself and the ladyboy?

Are you still taking silly shots drunk tired and tilted? I hope for your sake you have sorted those massive leaks out so that you can actually concentrate on getting better at poker without the fear of bustoville consuming you every time you play. I know how the fear of imminent busto can change how one plays the game.

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11-13-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
I like how OP seems genuinly shocked that PIO in fact does NOT advise him to barrel off/overbet shove every tiniest shred of equity in every single spot
tbf, OP thought that if he bluffs every single spot that it's GTO because "you gotta bluff some of the time".
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11-13-2018 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I would concede that I play more multiway pots than heads up pots. There are some ways in which Pio can be useful for multiway pots though. It has helped me recognize for instance what hands make good bluffing candidates or when certain hands might be worse in terms of their absolute hand strength, but they might still make for better calls.

This is a bit of a derail on my part so I’ll drop it now, but I don’t think 6bet is wasting his time.


If you understand how pio and solver engines work you would have made the conclusion it even says less applicable results in MW pots. Just read my above posts.

Lols to bluffing in multiway flops live 2/5.

Good luck with that.

I guess marketing does it's trick.
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11-13-2018 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
tbf, OP thought that if he bluffs every single spot that it's GTO because "you gotta bluff some of the time".
From his analysis I have a feeling the bit that stuck was

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
pio wants me to call it off with most of my Ace highs
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11-13-2018 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Practice with PioSolver

So I'm still getting a feel for how PioSolver works. This is only my second real simulation. I'm going to see how PioSolver plays this hand:



How PioSolver plays my hand: Pio likes to bet smaller on the flop (closer to $30), then check back the turn, then hero call most brick rivers with AQ high.

Interesting things I noticed:

1) Barrel $150 or check: Pio hates overbet jamming turn, but pio also hates a small turn barrel. It's basically suggesting that I barrel around $150ish in this spot, or else check, with most of my range.

2) Check back flush draws: The strange thing is that pio hates betting flush draws on the turn here. Like for example, it was saying I could barrel turn with 98hh, 98cc and 98dd (complete airballs), but it always wants me to always check back 98ss (flush draw). I found that quite interesting. I guess it makes sense, because it doesn't want me to get x/raised and blown off my draw. It wants me to realise my equity.

3) Don't barrel Ace high: Apart from AK, which is the one exception, pio doesn't want me to barrel any of my Ax here on the 5425 board. Instead, pio wants me to check back. I should only bet A3 (straight), A5 (trips) and AK (bluff), and I should check back the rest of my A2-AQ on the turn. I guess it follows the same logic as the flush draws: I want to realise my equity and not get x/jammed on.

4) Barrel all overpairs: pio says I should be barreling my 99-AA here at pretty much a 100% frequency, and never checking back. Initially, I thought that this was a bit strange, since it means we are super weak when we check back the turn, but I guess pio compensates for that with the following:

5) Hero call brick rivers with Ace high no spade: If the river is something like an offsuit Ten (5425T), and villain bets into me, then pio wants me to call it off with most of my Ace highs, provided I unblock spades. So with my specific hand (AQhh), I should've checked back the turn and then bluff catched most rivers.

It's actually kind of fun seeing the way PioSolver thinks. Reminds me of back when I was a kid and I had a chess engine (Chessmaster 10th edition) that I would plug random positions in and see how the engine played it out. It's just really interesting to see what the solution to a messy board texture looks like.
Doing this is ok but you then need to node lock different scenarios depending on the player types you will most frequently encounter playing your stakes. Run the sim with villian folding everything on the turn that isn't a boat, straight or 5x. Then run it again with them never folding any pair. Then run it again with them never folding a pair/draw/good overs. Compare the EV's of each of their strategies to the original sim and then go from there.
You should have a word doc for each sim you run like this, with a little musing at the end about what you've found and how you can apply it to your game. After you've done this a few hundred times you'll have constructed to some really solid strategies, and you won't be spewing nearly as much.
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11-13-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sl8a
Doing this is ok but you then need to node lock different scenarios depending on the player types you will most frequently encounter playing your stakes. Run the sim with villian folding everything on the turn that isn't a boat, straight or 5x. Then run it again with them never folding any pair. Then run it again with them never folding a pair/draw/good overs. Compare the EV's of each of their strategies to the original sim and then go from there.
You should have a word doc for each sim you run like this, with a little musing at the end about what you've found and how you can apply it to your game. After you've done this a few hundred times you'll have constructed to some really solid strategies, and you won't be spewing nearly as much.
and 6b is officially done using PIO. wtg!
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11-13-2018 , 09:56 AM
Lol
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11-13-2018 , 12:11 PM
Weird spot at 25nl zone

I'm going to save results for later because I want to see what the 2p2 community would do in this spot:

$47.40 effective
MP raises $0.75
CO calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.50 BTN with Kd Qh
MP calls $3.50

Flop ($8.10) Qs 6h 5c

MP donks $8.10 (took 1 second to bet)
Hero calls $8.10

Turn ($24.30) Qs 6h 5c Td

MP bets $12.15 (took 1 second again)
Hero calls $12.15

River ($48.60) Qs 6h 5c Td 4s

MP jams $23.65 (took 1 second again)
Hero ???

So here are a few questions for you all:
1) Do you think that villain (MP) is polarised or merged here?
2) Do you think that villain's quick bets are a sign of strength or weakness?
3) Would you call or fold against the river jam with this specific hand (KQo)?
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11-13-2018 , 12:19 PM
Did you play any 2/5 yesterday?

I put him on AK or QJ and call with his quick bets a sign of weakness (unless prior play shows otherwise). But I'm new and am no way trying to say my answer is correct.
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11-13-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beechboy
Did you play any 2/5 yesterday?
Nah I spent the day hanging out with my girlfriend, then I played a little bit online (Tuesdays are her day off work).
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11-13-2018 , 12:25 PM
Fish just clicking buttons a lot, impossible to range. Just gotta call so high in range
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11-13-2018 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
Fish just clicking buttons a lot, impossible to range. Just gotta call so high in range
Agreed.

Sometimes you see AA here, sometimes you'll see 99 or {random}.
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11-13-2018 , 12:35 PM
Do you have a HUD stat on the player? That's a bit more useful than monitoring betting speed.


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11-13-2018 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob_
Do you have a HUD stat on the player? That's a bit more useful than monitoring betting speed.


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Nah this is zone on Ignition. It's completely anonymous.
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11-13-2018 , 12:40 PM
I don't get into a 400bb pot with <TPTK at 25nl.
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11-13-2018 , 12:40 PM
Ah ok. (Makes it a tonne easier with a hud btw so maybe move to a site that's hud compatible?)

Any rough estimate on the vpip and pfr/player type?


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11-13-2018 , 12:46 PM
you gotta avoid 3betting these offsuit combos when it gets deep, it's fine 100bb deep, it gets dicey 200bb deep

as played call river obv
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11-13-2018 , 12:49 PM
I'd call my range in order to not be exploited without any info. If you 3bet KQo here I don't know how much other trash you have so I guess without knowing your preflop range this could be a fold or call. I guess you have a bunch of 99-JJ you can fold, AKs that missed backdoors, maybe some QJs/QTs or stuff like that. Knowing how much OP 3bets this hand is probably one of the better ones you have here so call.

If I had to guess for value he shows up with 66 here and as bluffs something completely random like J9hh.
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11-13-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob_
Ah ok. (Makes it a tonne easier with a hud btw so maybe move to a site that's hud compatible?)

Any rough estimate on the vpip and pfr/player type?


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This is zone format... we're matched with 5 random players and none of them have visible usernames. So I'm completely clueless about this particular player. He could be anything from the biggest nit to the biggest maniac whale. You just have to take a wild guess.
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11-13-2018 , 12:58 PM
Villain shows 87 and wins?
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