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07-16-2018 , 11:05 AM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Update on bankroll/finances

So it's the 11th of June and I feel I should update my finances. All figures are rounded to the nearest $100:

Bankroll/liferoll combined: $7000
Emergency money in case of bust: $1500

I should have a little bit more money coming in from work once they pay my annual leave (likely but not certain). I also have a few friends that owe me money that might pay me back (unlikely but possible).

Did you get paid any annual leave money? Did any friends pay you back or are you still owed money? How much?
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07-16-2018 , 11:11 AM
If your friends who crush 200nl really believe you have what it takes then why not suggest a coaching/staking deal. It's great for you since you can get coaching, improve quickly and not have to constantly worry about going broke and it's great for them because it's basically free money when you crush the games.

If they don't jump at the offer you can probably surmise that they were just blowing smoke up your arse and maybe don't think your actually as good as they tell you you are.
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07-16-2018 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6,




Did you get paid any annual leave money? Did any friends pay you back or are you still owed money? How much?
Yeah got paid like $600 annual leave and I basically lost that money playing 1/3 NL the day I received it lol.

Still owed over 3k although I've basically written those debts off because it's been over 2 years and none of those people have shown any ability or willingness to commit to a payment plan. They're all broke everytime I talk to them. And I hardly speak to them anyway. It's not worth me even thinking about at this stage.
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07-16-2018 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Still owed over 3k although I've basically written those debts off because it's been over 2 years and none of those people have shown any ability or willingness to commit to a payment plan. They're all broke everytime I talk to them. And I hardly speak to them anyway. It's not worth me even thinking about at this stage.
What about the dude you lent a bunch of money to a couple of weeks ago when you were playing drunk?
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07-16-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
If your friends who crush 200nl really believe you have what it takes then why not suggest a coaching/staking deal. It's great for you since you can get coaching, improve quickly and not have to constantly worry about going broke and it's great for them because it's basically free money when you crush the games.

If they don't jump at the offer you can probably surmise that they were just blowing smoke up your arse and maybe don't think your actually as good as they tell you you are.
Tbh I don't think there's a single person reading this thread who thinks I have what it takes except for myself. No one wants to offer me a coaching/staking deal for that reason.
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07-16-2018 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
What about the dude you lent a bunch of money to a couple of weeks ago when you were playing drunk?
I got that money back. All the money I've loaned out this year has been returned to me, since I'm extremely cautious about who I lend to and for how much these days. It's the historic loans from 2-4 years ago that I'm not getting back.
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07-16-2018 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Like how am I supposed to tell you whether or not it's profitable to defend 87s from the BB? I can intuitively guess that it probably is against any reasonable sized open raise (4x or less), but I can't prove it mathematically.
lol this is fricken gold

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I don't have equilab so I'm unable to put in ranges... But obviously if I wanted more precise answers, I'd need to be clairvoyant about villain's range and I'd also need equilab. It's all just guesswork in the end.
is equilab not free anymore?
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07-16-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I didn't have the balls to jam here

There was one more hand I played which I forgot to post. In this hand, we were about $500 effective.

Whale opens $50 UTG
CO calls $50
Hero flats $50 SB with 22 (definitely a loose play)
BB flats $50

Flop ($185, 4ways) is Td 7d 3s

2 checks
Whale bets $145
CO folds
Hero tank folds (I really thought about jamming here)
BB folds

Whale flips over AKo
Set mining with 22 getting 10:1. Wanting to jam the nut low pair 4 ways.

What constitutes a whale to you? Because when I think of fish and whales I think of people who make ridiculous moves like jamming 22 100BB deep 4 ways on T73dds. I see someone do that, that player is an aggrotard and I'm getting his money.

It's like someone else was saying...your image barely matters at this level. I'm not a nit but I'm towards that end of the TAG spectrum. Sometimes I fold for three hours then open UTG to 5BB and get called 5 times. I flop a set, bet flop, overbet turn, jam river. And I win a 1k stack off some guy with TPGK.

Loose players are going to give you action no matter what you do. That's their defining trait. Tight players will overfold no matter what you do. The action junkies can't help but chase that money and the TPs see monsters lurking behind every corner. The only people actually adjusting to your image are pros, and pros are relatively rare. And you should be mostly avoiding them anyway, so really your image doesn't matter much at all.

Patience, discipline, and cold realism are what it takes to beat LLSNL. Not balls and light 5 bets.
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07-16-2018 , 11:58 AM
He’s castrating his roll. And you have $3k. Including overdraft in you roll is something only a degen would do.


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07-16-2018 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
He’s castrating his roll. And you have $3k. Including overdraft in you roll is something only a degen would do.


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Lol,on point.
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07-16-2018 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I've been watching a tonne of videos by skuz poker and how he beats 200z on Ignition. I'm trying to emulate his plays at 50nl.
This, right here, is why you're not really a pro. You want to be a great poker STRATEGIST. I have a buddy like that, he's ****ing awesome at poker theoretically, he lives with his mom at 34 and works at a bar serving tables with an Economics Degree from Queen's here in Canada. Couldn't get his mind around WINNING and being the best STRATEGIST aren't always the same thing.

Your plan to beat 50z is to watch a guy at 200z and use those skills to beat a game 4x lower in buy-in? Good plan.

And there is nothing wrong at all with wanting to be a brilliant poker mind... go for it. But don't think it ALONE is going to get you the money. It won't. Treating your poker like a business is what will do that. Name a successful business that operates the way you do at poker...?

Where are your spreadsheets with sessions logged?
Expense reports?
Monthly targets?
What game do you play for a living anyway? 1/3? 2/5? Online?
And what are you studying that is specific to THAT game?

That's what pros do. And you are NOT one. You're a hobbyist. You play for the fun of gambling and to learn about strategy and play with math concepts... and that's great, and it can help you be successful, knowledge is excellent to have, but if you don't have the discipline to know when to use what knowledge and how to stop your ego from overriding that discipline then you aren't winning anything. And if you aren't winning enough to pay the bills, you aren't a pro.
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07-16-2018 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
This, right here, is why you're not really a pro. You want to be a great poker STRATEGIST. I have a buddy like that, he's ****ing awesome at poker theoretically, he lives with his mom at 34 and works at a bar serving tables with an Economics Degree from Queen's here in Canada. Couldn't get his mind around WINNING and being the best STRATEGIST aren't always the same thing.



Your plan to beat 50z is to watch a guy at 200z and use those skills to beat a game 4x lower in buy-in? Good plan.



And there is nothing wrong at all with wanting to be a brilliant poker mind... go for it. But don't think it ALONE is going to get you the money. It won't. Treating your poker like a business is what will do that. Name a successful business that operates the way you do at poker...?



Where are your spreadsheets with sessions logged?

Expense reports?

Monthly targets?

What game do you play for a living anyway? 1/3? 2/5? Online?

And what are you studying that is specific to THAT game?



That's what pros do. And you are NOT one. You're a hobbyist. You play for the fun of gambling and to learn about strategy and play with math concepts... and that's great, and it can help you be successful, knowledge is excellent to have, but if you don't have the discipline to know when to use what knowledge and how to stop your ego from overriding that discipline then you aren't winning anything. And if you aren't winning enough to pay the bills, you aren't a pro.

This is also on point.

OP is a hobbyist masquerading as a bad pro.

Go back to school bro. Or you’re going to end up like Trooper.


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07-16-2018 , 12:23 PM
Have you noticed that 5/5 plo is running almost everyday 6bet?
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07-16-2018 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Eholeing
Have you noticed that 5/5 plo is running almost everyday 6bet?
Yes I've noticed that. And apparently the game is super juicy too. But I think you'd need at least a 50k roll to comfortably grind that game. The pots get massive, well into the 5 figure mark.
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07-16-2018 , 01:01 PM
You're seriously going to cite bankroll requirements? Really?
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07-16-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
You're seriously going to cite bankroll requirements? Really?
These are the requirements to be comfortable. Obviously you can take shots whenever you like though, but you'll be playing with scared money and might be forced to sacrifice some EV to lower variance.
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07-16-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
True, but it's still a start. And being up money, even just a small amount, is what gives me confidence that I can win. And confidence in my game is what motivates me to grind and crush my opponents. A lack of confidence, on the other hand, causes desperation and tilt.

I'm really pushing towards my goal now to beat 50nl online. I've been watching a tonne of videos by skuz poker and how he beats 200z on Ignition. I'm trying to emulate his plays at 50nl.

I know a few other players who can beat 200nl but want me to pay them for coaching. Maybe when my roll builds up, I'll consider that, but for now, I'm going to do my best to utilise all the free content available on YouTube.

I just recently started listening to Nick Howard too. I really look up to him because he seems incredibly wise and mentally stable. I definitely think that my mental leaks are far greater than my technical leaks, so I should devote more time to improving my mental game.

In terms of paying the rent, I'll continue to put in sessions of 1/3 NL at the casino, but my real passion at the moment is in trying to become a winning small stakes online reg.
If it was so easy to watch "a tonne of videos" and copy the moves, there would be a lot more people beating the game. And it's all irrelevant anyway if you start playing blackjack or go to the casino drunk and tilt off all your winnings.
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07-16-2018 , 01:18 PM
Feel like i finally have gotten somewhere in life, when i get to receive bankroll lessons from 6betme. What a gift.
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07-16-2018 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
These are the requirements to be comfortable. Obviously you can take shots whenever you like though, but you'll be playing with scared money and might be forced to sacrifice some EV to lower variance.
Why do you not do this then? You continually tell us you'll squeeze KQo because you're telling us it's +ev.
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07-16-2018 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Yes I've noticed that. And apparently the game is super juicy too. But I think you'd need at least a 50k roll to comfortably grind that game. The pots get massive, well into the 5 figure mark.
You really don't
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07-16-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
Your plan to beat 50z is to watch a guy at 200z and use those skills to beat a game 4x lower in buy-in? Good plan.

And there is nothing wrong at all with wanting to be a brilliant poker mind... go for it. But don't think it ALONE is going to get you the money. It won't. Treating your poker like a business is what will do that. Name a successful business that operates the way you do at poker...?
50z actually plays fairly similar to 200z. It's not a huge difference. They're fundamentally the same game, just that 200z has slightly more 3betting and 4betting preflop. If I were to imitate the way that the winning 200z players play at 50z, it would still work.

And I realise that poker isn't all about technical ability. I realise that mental game and bankroll are huge aspects too. That's why I'm trying to work on my mental game too. I'm actually watching Nick Howard YouTube videos right now.
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07-16-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
50z actually plays fairly similar to 200z. It's not a huge difference. They're fundamentally the same game, just that 200z has slightly more 3betting and 4betting preflop. If I were to imitate the way that the winning 200z players play at 50z, it would still work.

And I realise that poker isn't all about technical ability. I realise that mental game and bankroll are huge aspects too. That's why I'm trying to work on my mental game too. I'm actually watching Nick Howard YouTube videos right now.
You literally do almost none of the things you should be doing to give yourself an actual chance at succeeding. Which is why for your sake I really really hope you are just pulling an elaborate time wasting troll and that this isn't actually how you act day to day. You are basically broke and btwn you being mediocre at poker, a degen, and your living expenses it is extremely likely you could succeed even if you were actually doing what you should be, which is putting in lots of hours at 1/3 or 50nl and keeping expenses as low as possible.
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07-16-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
In the past 6 weeks, I've played 113 hours of live poker, and 74 of those hours were spent at 1/3 NL. I spend more time playing 1/3 NL than I do playing any other form of poker combined.
I know i said I was gona leave the thread but this just blows my mind. You've said you wanna go pro and take poker seriously yet in 6 weeks you have managed to play 113 hours of live???? Bro that's 2.7 hours a ***** day... You should be putting in min 2x that.

You're going to dodge this post and question like you do with most questions that make you face reality, but here goes.

Why the fk if you take poker seriously and you want to make this work are you putting as much time in as a rec basically does? You probably study even less.


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Originally Posted by 6bet me
50z actually plays fairly similar to 200z. It's not a huge difference. They're fundamentally the same game, just that 200z has slightly more 3betting and 4betting preflop. If I were to imitate the way that the winning 200z players play at 50z, it would still work.
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Mind blown. You clearly haven't played enough at 50z or even 200z. Think we have a new stupidest comment itt?
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07-16-2018 , 03:30 PM
Some Fun Hands at 50NL online

All hands are played at 50nl online. 6-handed. Anonymous.

Hand 1: Stacking off with Queens

HJ opens $1
CO flats $1
BTN flats $1
SB 3bets to $6.50
Hero 4bets to $15 BB with QQ
3 folds
SB 5bet jams $50
Hero calls $50

SB shows QQ and we chop the pot.

Hand 2: The dreaded min raise

Hero opens $1.25 HJ with QQ (no heart)
CO ($19 deep) flats $1.25

Flop ($3.25) 8h 7c 4h

Hero bets $1.62
CO calls $1.62

Turn ($6.50) 8h 7c 4h Ts

Hero bets $5.24
CO raises to $10.48
Hero jams $16
CO calls $16

River ($38.50) 8h 7c 4h Ts Qh

Villain shows 44 (bottom set)
Hero shows QQ (top set) and wins the pot. Nice little 2 outer there.

Hand 3: I... guess I call?

Hero is $45 deep
CO opens $1.50
Hero 3bets $6 SB with AJcc
BB cold calls $6
CO folds

Flop ($13.50) Jh 8h 8c

Hero bets $4.25
BB jams $39 effective
Hero calls $39

BB shows Kc Kd and holds. Not sure I could've gotten away from this hand tbh.

Hand 4: Bluffing without blockers

$54 effective
Hero opens $1.25 BTN with KTss
SB 3bets to $4.25
Hero flats $4.25

Flop ($9) is Jd 5d 2d

SB bets $3
Hero raises to $10
SB folds his TT (no diamond)

I love bluffing on monotone boards because I think people fold at a much higher than optimal frequency.
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07-16-2018 , 03:47 PM
h2 turn jam is awful, he's never bluffing and never raising worse for value. and if by some chance he is bluffing, jamming is the worst thing you can possibly do.
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