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03-16-2014 , 05:38 AM
hand 1 you should just fold to the 3-bet vs an ipad nit whos not going to be 3-betting wide enough for you to profitably call or 4bet. His range is most likely QQ+. I see so many people just flat JJ/TT and AK and even flat QQ some % of the time

hand 2 is a bet/fold on the flop. she can't really bluff raise this board

so a range of KQ, K9, Q9, JT, 99, maybe some AQss-ATss has you pretty crushed. Too many hands that are dominating you and not enough hands you're dominating to call this off
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03-16-2014 , 09:36 AM
Sorry to nit up your great thread, but fwiw that's a Hornet, not Tomcat. God I miss SD.
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03-16-2014 , 09:39 AM
Nice goals wish you good lack there
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03-17-2014 , 06:29 AM
"One of things I learned the hard way was that it doesn't pay to get discouraged" - Lucille Ball

Coronado Beach



I'm pretty tired, got in good volume again today and played alright. Did a bunch of b/f. I predict there will be a lot of drunk people playing tomorrow.

I'm going to take a day off of posting hhs today, but I want to get back into posting a couple here and one in LLSNL while commenting on 3 hhs of my peers. I've been on hiatus from LLSNL for a little while.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
AA is a clear bet/fold in that flop and if I'm not comfortable bet folding I'd ch call

And the AK hand, like without any reads I legit don't hate folding to a 3b or just flatting
Yeah, would be an easy b/f if it was a rainbow board or I have the nf blocker. I stoved it and it I have 40% equity vs all 2p combos, btm set, str8, a few nf and fd+gutters, and tp+gutters (need 35% equity to commit stacks). Villain was loose. If here range is 2p+ then obviously it's a bad call. I was thinking maybe I should be leading for a less than pot so I avoid commiting.

Agreed the AK was spew.

Thanks for the thoughts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke0424
hand 1 you should just fold to the 3-bet vs an ipad nit whos not going to be 3-betting wide enough for you to profitably call or 4bet. His range is most likely QQ+. I see so many people just flat JJ/TT and AK and even flat QQ some % of the time

hand 2 is a bet/fold on the flop. she can't really bluff raise this board

so a range of KQ, K9, Q9, JT, 99, maybe some AQss-ATss has you pretty crushed. Too many hands that are dominating you and not enough hands you're dominating to call this off
I agree, no value playing oop vs a guy he is mostly likely comptent even with AK.

Yeah that is probably a more realistic range in H2.

Thanks for the thoughts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jihad2
Sorry to nit up your great thread, but fwiw that's a Hornet, not Tomcat. God I miss SD.
Ahh my mistake, thanks for the correction. SD seems like a very chill city with a great vibe.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grobar444
Nice goals wish you good lack there
Tyvm

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03-17-2014 , 12:23 PM
drunk people = time to turn March into the third 4K+ profit month in a row...hoping to see heaps shortly, Sir.
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03-18-2014 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
All my pf sizings are standardized, so I'll open KQ and open garbage for 12.
I don't think having standardized open sizes is a good idea in general. I think we should really table them to the tightness/looseness of table, and more importantly, to the size of effective stacks if we can make a reasonable guess as to who were going to go up against (especially if we can make a reasonable raise with a TP type hand that sets up a HU SPR of ~4, which thus makes postflop brain dead to play). Also doesn't mean we still can't open garbage to differing amounts too.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
As far as the number of callers I am virtually apathetic. I just adjust my postflop play accordingly.
My take on preflop play is pretty simple: If a raise isn't going to setup an SPR where we are cool with stacking off with TP, or narrow the field to 3way at most, then we shouldn't be raising. Going multiway in bloated pots by the very nature simply brings up difficult situations where we have a decent chance at making a big mistake. Limiting the amount of times we purposefully get ourselves in these difficult situations is a good thing.

GimoG
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03-18-2014 , 09:05 PM
"Let me embrace thee, sour adversity, for wise men say it is the wisest course." - William Shakespeare

Barona



I played alright and got in decent volume.

Hand 1:

V1 (224)- 65 yo white male, haven't seen him play any big pots or get out of line
Hero's Image (650)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AK
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from MP, 1 LP call.

Flop (36):
QJ4
Hero bets 25, V1 calls, LP folds.

Turn (86):
J
Hero bets 50, V1 jams for 187, Hero calls.

V1 could have 44 or QJ but also smaller flushs, less than a ps raise so I call it off.

Spoiler:
board bricks, Villain shows J6, mhig


Hand 2:

V1 (900)- 30 yo asian female, tag
V2 (450)- 50 yo white male, tag
Hero's Image (800)- 25 yo white male, I 3b her once yesterday

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AK
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from LP, V2 calls from SB.

Flop (35):
AJ9
Checked to Hero who bets 12, V1 calls, V2 c/r to 45, Hero calls, V1 folds.

Turn (137):
8
V2 bets 90, Hero calls.

River (327):
9
V2 checks, Hero bets 90, V2 folds.

I don't think I am getting much value from worse, manage to get V2 to spaz, he might have 99 or AJ but I just thought he was fos otf and ended up being right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninMan5K
drunk people = time to turn March into the third 4K+ profit month in a row...hoping to see heaps shortly, Sir.
Thanks for the well wishes

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I don't think having standardized open sizes is a good idea in general. I think we should really table them to the tightness/looseness of table, and more importantly, to the size of effective stacks if we can make a reasonable guess as to who were going to go up against (especially if we can make a reasonable raise with a TP type hand that sets up a HU SPR of ~4, which thus makes postflop brain dead to play). Also doesn't mean we still can't open garbage to differing amounts too.

My take on preflop play is pretty simple: If a raise isn't going to setup an SPR where we are cool with stacking off with TP, or narrow the field to 3way at most, then we shouldn't be raising. Going multiway in bloated pots by the very nature simply brings up difficult situations where we have a decent chance at making a big mistake. Limiting the amount of times we purposefully get ourselves in these difficult situations is a good thing.

GimoG
That is a perfectly valid style to play preflop, I have just learned differently. I have used standardized sizings for a long time, when I got coached I was taught to size a little bit bigger but still standardized. I adjust to the table tightness and looseness by adjusting my range. This method gives us less control over SPR but can disguise our hand strength very well.

I think you are right that pumping up the pot pf can put us in difficult spots sometimes but this also means we are putting our opponents in difficult spots. So as long a we make less mistakes than our opponents we profit.

Thanks for the good points you brought up!

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03-19-2014 , 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Hand 1:

V1 (224)- 65 yo white male, haven't seen him play any big pots or get out of line
Hero's Image (650)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AK
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from MP, 1 LP call.

Flop (36):
QJ4
Hero bets 25, V1 calls, LP folds.

Turn (86):
J
Hero bets 50, V1 jams for 187, Hero calls.

V1 could have 44 or QJ but also smaller flushs, less than a ps raise so I call it off.

Spoiler:
board bricks, Villain shows J6, mhig


Hand 2:

V1 (900)- 30 yo asian female, tag
V2 (450)- 50 yo white male, tag
Hero's Image (800)- 25 yo white male, I 3b her once yesterday

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AK
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from LP, V2 calls from SB.

Flop (35):
AJ9
Checked to Hero who bets 12, V1 calls, V2 c/r to 45, Hero calls, V1 folds.

Turn (137):
8
V2 bets 90, Hero calls.

River (327):
9
V2 checks, Hero bets 90, V2 folds.

I don't think I am getting much value from worse, manage to get V2 to spaz, he might have 99 or AJ but I just thought he was fos otf and ended up being right.
H1: Nice hand, imo.

H2: I guess the small cbet is intentionally inviting the bluffy check/raise? Tighty me probably bets more on the flop (or simply check/calls if I don't feel comfortable folding to a check/raise), and then gives up if someone check/raises two opponents here, but it seems you have a read that says otherwise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-20-2014 , 11:05 PM
"What matters is not what idea a man holds, but at the depth at which he holds it." - Ezra Pound

One more shot of the San Diego skyline



Saw Daniel N. messing around having his gf ship it blind for five hands in a row hands in a row at the next table over at Wynn. His new hair looks pretty good too, putting that ps endorsement money to work.

I need to knock out a couple more 8 hr sessions to complete my mini challenge.

Hand 1:

V1 (205)- 45 yo white male, loose passive
V2 (350)- 55 yo white male, tag
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AJ
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from LP, V2 calls from BB.

Flop (36):
J72
Checked to Hero who bets 15, V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn (80):
K
Checked to Hero who bets 25, V1 calls, V2 calls.

River (155):
4
Checked to Hero who bets 50, V1 raises to 153, V2 folds, Hero folds.

Went for thin value, I think c/f OTR would probably be better that b/f

Spoiler:
Villain shows AA, nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (400)- 50 yo asian male, lag
Hero's Image (520)- 25 yo white male, I 3b her once yesterday

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt AQ
1 EP limp, V1 limps from MP, 1 MP limp, Hero raises to 21, folds to V1 who calls.

Flop (47):
K77
V1 bets 10, Hero calls.

Turn (67):
4
V1 bets 30, Hero calls.

River (127):
9
V1 checks, Hero bets 35, V1 folds.

I likely have to best hand but I bet OTR to fold small pairs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
H1: Nice hand, imo.

H2: I guess the small cbet is intentionally inviting the bluffy check/raise? Tighty me probably bets more on the flop (or simply check/calls if I don't feel comfortable folding to a check/raise), and then gives up if someone check/raises two opponents here, but it seems you have a read that says otherwise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Thanks, in H2 it looks like a good spot to steal for villain so I called him down. The board is also pretty dry so I don't have to worry much about being outdrawn.

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03-21-2014 , 03:21 AM
why not a larger bet with AQ on rvr to get smaller pairs to fold since he already called 30 OTT?
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03-21-2014 , 07:34 PM
"Those who dream by day are more cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." - Edgar Allan Poe

A big chuck of gold at Golden Nugget



I played alright, gradually getting that volume in, more session today to complete the mini challenge.

Hand 1:

V1 (300)- 35 yo black male, seen him take some stabs with air
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is BB dealt A2
3 limps, V1 limps in LP, Hero checks.

Flop (13):
T43
Checked to V1 who bets 13, Hero c/r to 40, all fold.

Flop is pretty dry and I have equity if called so I thought it was a good spot

Hand 2:

V1 (400)- 45 yo asian male, tag, spewing a little, on tilt
V2 (1500)- 50 yo white male, station, playing 90% vpip, been heatering by making hands and getting paid
Hero's Image (540)- 25 yo white male, nit

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt A9
V1 limps UTG, V2 limps from MP, Hero limps LP.

Flop (11):
KT6
Checked to Hero who bets 10, V1-V2 call.

Turn (38):
7
V1 checks, V2 bets 35, Hero raises to 135, both fold.

I think I raising pf might be okay here.

I think V2 is calling with any flush or set OTT, when he calls I have a little more than a psb left to get in OTR.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninMan5K
why not a larger bet with AQ on rvr to get smaller pairs to fold since he already called 30 OTT?
He bet the turn and I called. I know he is weak and I have SDV but I don't think he will call with worse than Kx. Small sizing looks more like a vbet and I am risking less.

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03-21-2014 , 07:43 PM
I have an image of when you sit down at a table you ask everyone for ID to check their age for the HH write ups.
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03-21-2014 , 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longy2
I have an image of when you sit down at a table you ask everyone for ID to check their age for the HH write ups.
lolol
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03-22-2014 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longy2
I have an image of when you sit down at a table you ask everyone for ID to check their age for the HH write ups.
omg, lollll...Carl would not...okay, yeah maybe he would
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03-22-2014 , 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
He bet the turn and I called. I know he is weak and I have SDV but I don't think he will call with worse than Kx. Small sizing looks more like a vbet and I am risking less.
makes sense...im a n00b you know this..
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03-23-2014 , 03:07 AM
"Nothing limits achievement like small thinking; nothing expands possibilities like unleashed imagination." - William Arthur Ward

Red Rock Canyon



I managed to complete my mini challenge, I had to push myself but I am glad I did. I am going to put in another 60 hrs in these next 10 days and knock out my monthly volume goal (160 hrs) concurrently.

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 45 yo white male, loose pf, can take stabs
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is BTN dealt A6
V1 raises UTG, 1 MP caller, Hero calls.

Flop (45):
T98
V1 bets 15, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn (75):
5
V1 bets 30, Hero raises to 90, V1 folds.

Villain had a tendency to bet big with good hands so I went for the float, have some outs if called

Hand 2:

V1 (180)- 35 yo white male, loose
V2 (320)- 50 yo white male, straight forward
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, lag, raising limpers frequently

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt K4
2 MP limps, V1 limps MP, Hero raises to 21, V2 calls from BB, the rest call.

Flop (80):
542
Checked to V1 who jams for 160, Hero folds, V2 calls.

I considered calling here because he is probably fos there are some draws.

Spoiler:
V1 had T7, V2 had 99, not sure if V2 would overcall if I called.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Longy2
I have an image of when you sit down at a table you ask everyone for ID to check their age for the HH write ups.
Of course that's what I do. haha

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03-23-2014 , 05:28 AM
have you done any climbing at red rock yet?
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03-23-2014 , 08:55 PM
Just wanted to say I admire your progress and your unwillingness to never give up. You will look back at this point in your life as a truly special period. Love the quotes as well. Keep up the good work sir
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03-23-2014 , 11:03 PM
"The starting point of all achievement is desire. Keep this constantly in mind. Weak desires bring weak results, just as a small amount of fire makes a small amount of heat." - Napoleon Hill

Wynn



I think I played well.

Hand 1:

V1 (160)- 35 yo white male, loose station
V2 (900)- 40 yo lag, will take stabs postflop
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag, got in 150bb pf with AKs

Preflop (3):
Hero is SB dealt JT
V1 limps from MP, V2 limps from BTN, Hero completes.

Flop (8):
T98
Hero bets 8, V1 calls, V2 raises to 30, Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn (92):
5
Checked to V2 who bets 60, Hero calls, V1 folds.

River (232):
6
Checks through.

I don't think I have FE OTF so I just call. I think V2 would raise with all pairs so I think his range is mostly 2p maybe a small str8 or overs+sd, I think V1 is drawing

OTT I expected V1 to c/c as well, I have about 25% equity so not getting quite the right odds, possibly have IO though.

OTR a shove might work but I have seen V2 make some crying calls when a scare card hit so I just checked back.


Spoiler:
V2 shows 98 nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (210)- 35 yo hispanic male, drunk, loose, likes to bluff
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is SB dealt KT
V1 bets 10 blind UTG, 1 LP caller, Hero raises to 50, V1 calls, LP folds.

Flop (106):
977
Checks through.

Turn (106):
Q
Checked to V1 who bets 50, Hero calls.

River (206):
3
Checks through.

I think V1 is defending close to his whole range pf

I check to let him bluff, I actually have a decent draw to go with my K high so easy call, probably calling any river.


Spoiler:
V1 shows K3 nh sir


Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninMan5K
have you done any climbing at red rock yet?
No, just wandered around the canyon with Duke last time I went. Would love to go rock climbing, havn't done it since I was in the Boy Scouts.


Quote:
Originally Posted by y0l0Theory
Just wanted to say I admire your progress and your unwillingness to never give up. You will look back at this point in your life as a truly special period. Love the quotes as well. Keep up the good work sir
Haha that's a double negative (/grammar nit), I get what you are trying to say. Thank you very much. I enjoy sharing the wise words of others, they keep me motivated and hopefully motivate whoever reads this.

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03-24-2014 , 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression

Hand 1:

V1 (160)- 35 yo white male, loose station
V2 (900)- 40 yo lag, will take stabs postflop
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag, got in 150bb pf with AKs

Preflop (3):
Hero is SB dealt JT
V1 limps from MP, V2 limps from BTN, Hero completes.

Flop (8):
T98
Hero bets 8, V1 calls, V2 raises to 30, Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn (92):
5
Checked to V2 who bets 60, Hero calls, V1 folds.

River (232):
6
Checks through.

I don't think I have FE OTF so I just call. I think V2 would raise with all pairs so I think his range is mostly 2p maybe a small str8 or overs+sd, I think V1 is drawing

OTT I expected V1 to c/c as well, I have about 25% equity so not getting quite the right odds, possibly have IO though.

OTR a shove might work but I have seen V2 make some crying calls when a scare card hit so I just checked back.


Spoiler:
V2 shows 98 nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (210)- 35 yo hispanic male, drunk, loose, likes to bluff
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is SB dealt KT
V1 bets 10 blind UTG, 1 LP caller, Hero raises to 50, V1 calls, LP folds.

Flop (106):
977
Checks through.

Turn (106):
Q
Checked to V1 who bets 50, Hero calls.

River (206):
3
Checks through.

I think V1 is defending close to his whole range pf

I check to let him bluff, I actually have a decent draw to go with my K high so easy call, probably calling any river.


Spoiler:
V1 shows K3 nh sir

Hello pure

I had a few comments on the hands you posted in your last session. I could be totally off here just thought I would give my comments so we can compare thought processes.

Hand 1-

Checking flop is pretty viable here. Keep pot small. Your hand is really just a bluffcatcher. Bet/calling can't be good because you aren't likely to get paid when u hit and even if he is raising with worse, its going to be tough to call down on later streets.

Hand 2-

Is pretty interesting. I see you've been experimenting with 3 betting light. How's that been working out for you? Do you find your opponents play pretty straight forward in 3 bet pots? Been getting enough folds pre where people range you on just standard live 3bet range?

Regarding this particular hand, why choose the drunk lag to 3 bet? Don't you think he will be continuing with much of his opening range and are u prepared to barrel if you don't hit?

Flop, I think you have to cbet. I come from an online background so it could be much different live, but I tend to cbet these paired boards with pretty much my entire range in 3 bet pots with initiative against opponent with low fold to 3bet.

This could be the difference between live and online. Like even fogo I noticed didn't cbet KJ on paired board against Harry when he calls with pretty much any 2 pre and just waited until he hit top pair to extract.

Curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
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03-24-2014 , 09:43 AM
Hey pure, looking forward to meeting up on my next trip out. I had a great time...didn't play much poker but saw a few of the rooms you frequent (the flamningo and the wynn).

I thought about Hand One and I fold pre in order to avoid an RIO spot (and b/c I'm a nit). The problem is that we're building a pot out of position vs. a spazzy villain who probably isn't folding a pair. I also think that LP's range is significant here. If I'm in position or even sooted I like this play more.

As played I'm sizing a flop bet so that I can shove a T, J, Q, or K turn--40ish looks good. Check/shoving the turn is also an option although I think villain rarely bet/folds.
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03-24-2014 , 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 45 yo white male, loose pf, can take stabs
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is BTN dealt A6
V1 raises UTG, 1 MP caller, Hero calls.

Flop (45):
T98
V1 bets 15, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn (75):
5
V1 bets 30, Hero raises to 90, V1 folds.

Villain had a tendency to bet big with good hands so I went for the float, have some outs if called

Hand 2:

V1 (180)- 35 yo white male, loose
V2 (320)- 50 yo white male, straight forward
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, lag, raising limpers frequently

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt K4
2 MP limps, V1 limps MP, Hero raises to 21, V2 calls from BB, the rest call.

Flop (80):
542
Checked to V1 who jams for 160, Hero folds, V2 calls.

I considered calling here because he is probably fos there are some draws.

Spoiler:
V1 had T7, V2 had 99, not sure if V2 would overcall if I called.




Of course that's what I do. haha
H1: I think I just fold preflop. It's for an ok percentage of our stack, and we'll be in position (good), but it looks like we're only going to go 3way here and we are facing an UTG raiser (less chance he's going to find a fold postflop, if our plan is to bluff him off the hand). Add another caller or two and I'm in there ~nutmining. I guess our plan the whole way is to bluff him off his hand, a plan I must admit I don't typically have in mind at my table, but I *guess* it's okish?

H2: Preflop is spewy, imo. We have a raisey image with 3 limpers already in the pot, the chances of us narrowing the field are zilch here; time to switch gears, imo. I might overlimp, but there's also probably nothing too wrong with simply dumping it. I fold the flop, I don't see how we can call with others still behind us to react, and getting a horrific price; there's even some bluffy draws that are actually doing quite well against our POS hand, let alone the real hands. Yuck, imo.

GnicejobgettinginyourhoursG
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03-25-2014 , 06:21 AM
"One of the secrets of life is to make stepping stones out of stumbling blocks." - Jack Penn

Here are a couple more axes on display at Hard Rock

Gwar, their lead singer passed away yesterday RIP, saw their stage show a couple times and it was epic



Joe Satriani, a virtuoso and guitar teacher of some highly influential thrashers



I got in an okay session still squeezing in decent volume. I had one funny hand.

Hand 1:

V1 (500)- 25 yo white male, lag
V2 (400)- 40 yo white male, loose station
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt 54
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls from BTN, V2 calls from BB.

Flop (33):
732
Checks to V1 who bets 22, V2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn (99):
5
Checked to Hero who bets 75, V1 calls, V2 folds.

River (249):
Q
Hero bets 100, V1 snap calls.

I probably should have cbet here OTF but ended up c/c with close to direct odds

OTT I try and take it away and have decent equity vs 1 pair hands, V1 calls but I don't think he is very strong.

OTR I barrel again but get snapped off...


Spoiler:
I show and mhig he said he had A high


Hand 2:

V1 (700)- 45 yo white male, straight forward tag
V2 (295)- 50 yo white female, lag, slow plays sometimes
Hero's Image (640)- 25 yo white male, table saw me 3b KQo and GII with 2nd pair and a gutter

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt A7
V1 limps UTG, Hero limps MP, V2 limps in LP.

Flop (14):
543
V1 bets 12, Hero calls, V2 calls.

Turn (47):
5
V1 bets 35, Hero folds, V2 raises to 80, V1 calls.

River (207):
8
V1 checks, V2 jams for 160, V1 calls.

I don't think I have FE OTF so I just call and keep the pot multiway.

OTT board pairs and I could easily be drawing dead so I eject.


Spoiler:
V2 shows K5 nh ma'am, V1 had 65


Quote:
Originally Posted by y0l0Theory
Hello pure

I had a few comments on the hands you posted in your last session. I could be totally off here just thought I would give my comments so we can compare thought processes.

Hand 1-

Checking flop is pretty viable here. Keep pot small. Your hand is really just a bluffcatcher. Bet/calling can't be good because you aren't likely to get paid when u hit and even if he is raising with worse, its going to be tough to call down on later streets.

Hand 2-

Is pretty interesting. I see you've been experimenting with 3 betting light. How's that been working out for you? Do you find your opponents play pretty straight forward in 3 bet pots? Been getting enough folds pre where people range you on just standard live 3bet range?

Regarding this particular hand, why choose the drunk lag to 3 bet? Don't you think he will be continuing with much of his opening range and are u prepared to barrel if you don't hit?

Flop, I think you have to cbet. I come from an online background so it could be much different live, but I tend to cbet these paired boards with pretty much my entire range in 3 bet pots with initiative against opponent with low fold to 3bet.

This could be the difference between live and online. Like even fogo I noticed didn't cbet KJ on paired board against Harry when he calls with pretty much any 2 pre and just waited until he hit top pair to extract.

Curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
I agree c/c H1 seems like a better line OOP

In H2 I expect V1 to call with a very wide range which KTo dominates and V2 will fold almost always, he would have 3b himself with any hand that can call 50.

V1 had been running some futile bluffs so I think there is more value to be had be checking to induce than pushing him out postflop and I do have a little SDV.

Yes I have been finding a lot more spots to 3b with less than premiums. The biggest thing to keep in mind is how people react to 3b. After that you can exploit them by bluffing them if they fold too much or value town them if they call too much.

Thanks for the thoughts!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_124
Hey pure, looking forward to meeting up on my next trip out. I had a great time...didn't play much poker but saw a few of the rooms you frequent (the flamningo and the wynn).

I thought about Hand One and I fold pre in order to avoid an RIO spot (and b/c I'm a nit). The problem is that we're building a pot out of position vs. a spazzy villain who probably isn't folding a pair. I also think that LP's range is significant here. If I'm in position or even sooted I like this play more.

As played I'm sizing a flop bet so that I can shove a T, J, Q, or K turn--40ish looks good. Check/shoving the turn is also an option although I think villain rarely bet/folds.
I am going to deduce from the commentary that you are referring to H2 correct?

I get what you are saying I could probably blow him off his weakest unpaired holdings by betting the flop and barreling OTT if I pick up equity but I think he is calling with most paired hands and he will bluff his air if checked to.

I'll catch you next time, glad you enjoyed your trip. Thanks for the comments on the hh!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
H1: I think I just fold preflop. It's for an ok percentage of our stack, and we'll be in position (good), but it looks like we're only going to go 3way here and we are facing an UTG raiser (less chance he's going to find a fold postflop, if our plan is to bluff him off the hand). Add another caller or two and I'm in there ~nutmining. I guess our plan the whole way is to bluff him off his hand, a plan I must admit I don't typically have in mind at my table, but I *guess* it's okish?

H2: Preflop is spewy, imo. We have a raisey image with 3 limpers already in the pot, the chances of us narrowing the field are zilch here; time to switch gears, imo. I might overlimp, but there's also probably nothing too wrong with simply dumping it. I fold the flop, I don't see how we can call with others still behind us to react, and getting a horrific price; there's even some bluffy draws that are actually doing quite well against our POS hand, let alone the real hands. Yuck, imo.

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In H1 I think we are definitely deep enough to play a suited A OTB. I don't float very much either but I saw the opportunity with the smaller than usually bet sizing from villain pf and OTF.

In H2 I don't mind overlimping I think that would be fine. There had been a lot of l/f so I think I can raise and pick up dead money a lot of the time or play HU IP with initiative. K4s is not typically in my value range but still has some postflop playability. Well I ended getting a bunch of callers and calling OTF would be pretty thin with middle pair. Now that I see people are l/c and donking 2x pot with much worse than K4s I guess my value range can be a little wider haha.

Thanks for the comments as always, genuinely appreciate it!

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Last edited by pure_aggression; 03-25-2014 at 06:28 AM.
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03-25-2014 , 08:44 AM
Love the quote by Jack Penn.
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03-25-2014 , 09:15 AM
You know this, but Hand 1 definitely needed a cbet. No reason to play hands like 45 suited, if you aren't going to follow up on boards like this. But once you check, you've gone into nit mode and only good if you hit.
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