Going pro after 2k HUSNGs...
12-09-2013
, 09:14 PM
Quote:
I thought u r a serious guy but that made my day. You were selling coaching films, later writing about long queques in hu reg thread and now u r lolling at me while I`m trying to make wl shorter, n1. Also it`s gr8 that u r trying to protect your student (lol) but seriously man- most of ****ty regs at 100s got rich backers from higher stakes so u think we care? As long as they are bad than ye- it`s a smart idea to sit them and I don`t have to think if they will move down.
12-09-2013
, 09:21 PM
12-10-2013
, 01:58 AM
Day 76:
Well this thread has blown up pretty hard today lol!
I have actually realised something important today but first lets get the boring **** out of the way.
So today I played most of my volume vs two very different cartel guys who both ran pretty well but played drastically different. The first one was pavels who posts in the husng forum and played well, and beat me for a few buys in EV. He did some cool stuff and I improved from playing him. He likely deserved to win some $ from me. I recorded every hand and look forward to learning a couple more things when I review the match tmrw. The second was some random ****** who I honestly would hunt at 30s, he ran really well to breakeven in EV.
Played a few other games vs some randoms and overall my day ended up losing a bunch of dollazzzzz in EV. Obv this sucks but I am happy with my play today, and I ran well in CD last week so I can't complain too much about not running so well today.
This point really made me think. I had been thinking I have been doing well, winning vs a lot of the cartel guys I played and feeling good about it, but this made me realise I am getting owned. Me beating some of their guys for a few $ for a few games per month makes no difference to them at all. I am not making up any ground on them.
The reason the cartel idea works is because there is a huge number of people in it. If they decrease in numbers it is way less effective. Currently they share the burden of playing regs between them and so it is not such a big deal to any individual member. i.e if it is me vs the cartel, I play 3k games a month, all of them vs cartel regs, but each of the 60 or so cartel regs only needs to play 1 session vs me of 50 games then can play fish every other game. Playing like 2% of games vs me will make no difference to their results over the month/year especially if it means they get more fish. So, as Jeffrey says, he doesn't really care if I move down or not.
He is pretty much indifferent to whether I play or not. This means I'm getting owned. In order to beat this weird 2 team strategy game I need to be in the position of being indifferent to their strategy.
The way I plan to do this is to play all my volume vs the weakest cartel regs, which I have now lined up with their own colour on Stars. I think I can beat these guys currently for >1%, and being that I only have a few people's games to study, as opposed to 50+ I should be able to increase that winrate over time. Now if I 2 table these guys winning 1% thats approx $40 per hour in actual winnings and approx $30 an hour in rakeback. Based on how much I grind this would come to nearly 100k per year, meaning I would be very happy to play these guys all year.
If these guys quit me I presume they would be useless to the cartel and kicked out. However the cartel needs large numbers, otherwise each reg has to sacrifice too much time hunting, and their hourly actually decreases, so they would have to recruit more, presumably worse regs, or quit sitting me.
If they recruit more bad regs, I can continue to beat them for a decent hourly. If they quit sitting me, I can play vs random fish.
There is no incentive for the strong regs solely to play me, as then they would be just lowering their hourly to protect the weak regs in the cartel which becomes pointless. Why would they stop me getting a lobby, when they could stop the weaker cartel regs from getting a lobby much more easily?
Tomorrow I will be trying to put all my 100s volume in vs these weak cartel members and adding any of them I think I can comfortably beat after rake to my own sit list.
I'll let you know how it goes!
GL!
Well this thread has blown up pretty hard today lol!
I have actually realised something important today but first lets get the boring **** out of the way.
So today I played most of my volume vs two very different cartel guys who both ran pretty well but played drastically different. The first one was pavels who posts in the husng forum and played well, and beat me for a few buys in EV. He did some cool stuff and I improved from playing him. He likely deserved to win some $ from me. I recorded every hand and look forward to learning a couple more things when I review the match tmrw. The second was some random ****** who I honestly would hunt at 30s, he ran really well to breakeven in EV.
Played a few other games vs some randoms and overall my day ended up losing a bunch of dollazzzzz in EV. Obv this sucks but I am happy with my play today, and I ran well in CD last week so I can't complain too much about not running so well today.
This point really made me think. I had been thinking I have been doing well, winning vs a lot of the cartel guys I played and feeling good about it, but this made me realise I am getting owned. Me beating some of their guys for a few $ for a few games per month makes no difference to them at all. I am not making up any ground on them.
The reason the cartel idea works is because there is a huge number of people in it. If they decrease in numbers it is way less effective. Currently they share the burden of playing regs between them and so it is not such a big deal to any individual member. i.e if it is me vs the cartel, I play 3k games a month, all of them vs cartel regs, but each of the 60 or so cartel regs only needs to play 1 session vs me of 50 games then can play fish every other game. Playing like 2% of games vs me will make no difference to their results over the month/year especially if it means they get more fish. So, as Jeffrey says, he doesn't really care if I move down or not.
He is pretty much indifferent to whether I play or not. This means I'm getting owned. In order to beat this weird 2 team strategy game I need to be in the position of being indifferent to their strategy.
The way I plan to do this is to play all my volume vs the weakest cartel regs, which I have now lined up with their own colour on Stars. I think I can beat these guys currently for >1%, and being that I only have a few people's games to study, as opposed to 50+ I should be able to increase that winrate over time. Now if I 2 table these guys winning 1% thats approx $40 per hour in actual winnings and approx $30 an hour in rakeback. Based on how much I grind this would come to nearly 100k per year, meaning I would be very happy to play these guys all year.
If these guys quit me I presume they would be useless to the cartel and kicked out. However the cartel needs large numbers, otherwise each reg has to sacrifice too much time hunting, and their hourly actually decreases, so they would have to recruit more, presumably worse regs, or quit sitting me.
If they recruit more bad regs, I can continue to beat them for a decent hourly. If they quit sitting me, I can play vs random fish.
There is no incentive for the strong regs solely to play me, as then they would be just lowering their hourly to protect the weak regs in the cartel which becomes pointless. Why would they stop me getting a lobby, when they could stop the weaker cartel regs from getting a lobby much more easily?
Tomorrow I will be trying to put all my 100s volume in vs these weak cartel members and adding any of them I think I can comfortably beat after rake to my own sit list.
I'll let you know how it goes!
GL!
Last edited by kaimac; 12-10-2013 at 02:14 AM.
12-10-2013
, 08:11 AM
Just finished reading this in 1 go
Wow you r a sicko
Really motivational to read a thread like this
As im stuck at 30's for a while now and dont really feel confident
You make me wanna work on my game asap
Thanks for the thread and keep up the good work
Looking forward to your next update
Wow you r a sicko
Really motivational to read a thread like this
As im stuck at 30's for a while now and dont really feel confident
You make me wanna work on my game asap
Thanks for the thread and keep up the good work
Looking forward to your next update
12-10-2013
, 10:15 AM
Till your last post I thought you were joking about some "cartel", but now you explained it perfectly. That's some epic vigilante stuff and this thread went from epic to... wait for it... legendary.
12-10-2013
, 10:38 AM
12-10-2013
, 11:30 AM
Regarding ur post kaimac, it`s necessary to have a big amount of guys @ 100s (still, there is no big advantage in numbers) to make it workin, it`s a bit diff than at 200s or 300s. There are also some ppl who shouldn`t be there but nth is working perfectly from the start. It`s not a closed environment so np. Anyway:
it only concern a little part of regs. In general hunting weak regs increase hourly for good players.
All in all, always the most hard-working guys stay on the battlefield
You r lookin like one of them so gl.
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otherwise each reg has to sacrifice too much time hunting, and their hourly actually decreases, so they would have to recruit more, presumably worse regs, or quit sitting me.
All in all, always the most hard-working guys stay on the battlefield
You r lookin like one of them so gl.
12-10-2013
, 06:29 PM
Quote:
This point really made me think. I had been thinking I have been doing well, winning vs a lot of the cartel guys I played and feeling good about it, but this made me realise I am getting owned. Me beating some of their guys for a few $ for a few games per month makes no difference to them at all. I am not making up any ground on them.
The reason the cartel idea works is because there is a huge number of people in it. If they decrease in numbers it is way less effective. Currently they share the burden of playing regs between them and so it is not such a big deal to any individual member. i.e if it is me vs the cartel, I play 3k games a month, all of them vs cartel regs, but each of the 60 or so cartel regs only needs to play 1 session vs me of 50 games then can play fish every other game. Playing like 2% of games vs me will make no difference to their results over the month/year especially if it means they get more fish. So, as Jeffrey says, he doesn't really care if I move down or not.
He is pretty much indifferent to whether I play or not. This means I'm getting owned. In order to beat this weird 2 team strategy game I need to be in the position of being indifferent to their strategy.
The way I plan to do this is to play all my volume vs the weakest cartel regs, which I have now lined up with their own colour on Stars. I think I can beat these guys currently for >1%, and being that I only have a few people's games to study, as opposed to 50+ I should be able to increase that winrate over time. Now if I 2 table these guys winning 1% thats approx $40 per hour in actual winnings and approx $30 an hour in rakeback. Based on how much I grind this would come to nearly 100k per year, meaning I would be very happy to play these guys all year.
If these guys quit me I presume they would be useless to the cartel and kicked out. However the cartel needs large numbers, otherwise each reg has to sacrifice too much time hunting, and their hourly actually decreases, so they would have to recruit more, presumably worse regs, or quit sitting me.
If they recruit more bad regs, I can continue to beat them for a decent hourly. If they quit sitting me, I can play vs random fish.
There is no incentive for the strong regs solely to play me, as then they would be just lowering their hourly to protect the weak regs in the cartel which becomes pointless. Why would they stop me getting a lobby, when they could stop the weaker cartel regs from getting a lobby much more easily?
Tomorrow I will be trying to put all my 100s volume in vs these weak cartel members and adding any of them I think I can comfortably beat after rake to my own sit list.
I'll let you know how it goes!
GL!
This point really made me think. I had been thinking I have been doing well, winning vs a lot of the cartel guys I played and feeling good about it, but this made me realise I am getting owned. Me beating some of their guys for a few $ for a few games per month makes no difference to them at all. I am not making up any ground on them.
The reason the cartel idea works is because there is a huge number of people in it. If they decrease in numbers it is way less effective. Currently they share the burden of playing regs between them and so it is not such a big deal to any individual member. i.e if it is me vs the cartel, I play 3k games a month, all of them vs cartel regs, but each of the 60 or so cartel regs only needs to play 1 session vs me of 50 games then can play fish every other game. Playing like 2% of games vs me will make no difference to their results over the month/year especially if it means they get more fish. So, as Jeffrey says, he doesn't really care if I move down or not.
He is pretty much indifferent to whether I play or not. This means I'm getting owned. In order to beat this weird 2 team strategy game I need to be in the position of being indifferent to their strategy.
The way I plan to do this is to play all my volume vs the weakest cartel regs, which I have now lined up with their own colour on Stars. I think I can beat these guys currently for >1%, and being that I only have a few people's games to study, as opposed to 50+ I should be able to increase that winrate over time. Now if I 2 table these guys winning 1% thats approx $40 per hour in actual winnings and approx $30 an hour in rakeback. Based on how much I grind this would come to nearly 100k per year, meaning I would be very happy to play these guys all year.
If these guys quit me I presume they would be useless to the cartel and kicked out. However the cartel needs large numbers, otherwise each reg has to sacrifice too much time hunting, and their hourly actually decreases, so they would have to recruit more, presumably worse regs, or quit sitting me.
If they recruit more bad regs, I can continue to beat them for a decent hourly. If they quit sitting me, I can play vs random fish.
There is no incentive for the strong regs solely to play me, as then they would be just lowering their hourly to protect the weak regs in the cartel which becomes pointless. Why would they stop me getting a lobby, when they could stop the weaker cartel regs from getting a lobby much more easily?
Tomorrow I will be trying to put all my 100s volume in vs these weak cartel members and adding any of them I think I can comfortably beat after rake to my own sit list.
I'll let you know how it goes!
GL!
12-10-2013
, 10:24 PM
Day 77:
Finishing early today because my eyes and head are hurting. I have been at my computer almost non-stop for about 12 hours now. I had breakfast while reviewing hands with my buddy on skype, then went to the gym, then reviewed videos from yesterday with another friend, then played poker until now. I took a few breaks and used them to review my opponents game and now I think my eyes are bleeding so I am treating myself to the rest of the evening off. I don't know how these guys play loads of tables all day with no breaks, it's such a sick talent.
Overall today was pretty good. I started out waiting for the guys on my sitlist while grinding the 60s but they were not online so I tried out a couple of regs. The first one I played for about 15-20 games and he seemed ok and I know he is in the coffeeyay group so he is probably pretty smart so I put him in the BTMF reg list. Then I sat another reg that I think I had played a few times at 60s, he made the BTMF sit list and we pretty much played all night with a couple of short breaks. He battled hard and seemed like a good guy but it didn't go all that well for him:
(Graph of me vs him lifetime from his perspective. Nearly all of these were today.)
I actually ended up quitting because I was losing focus, he was happy to play more so we will probably play a bunch more games this month.
My day overall wasn't as good as that but I won a few EV$ which is cool:
I'm getting way more vpps with all this 100s warring too! I'm already platinum star this month, unfortunately I am wayyyyy too far away from Supernova still to have any chance of even getting close, but it is cool to see my fpp's going up!
Hopefully some of the guys on my sitlist are on tomorrow and I keep running good!
GL!
Finishing early today because my eyes and head are hurting. I have been at my computer almost non-stop for about 12 hours now. I had breakfast while reviewing hands with my buddy on skype, then went to the gym, then reviewed videos from yesterday with another friend, then played poker until now. I took a few breaks and used them to review my opponents game and now I think my eyes are bleeding so I am treating myself to the rest of the evening off. I don't know how these guys play loads of tables all day with no breaks, it's such a sick talent.
Overall today was pretty good. I started out waiting for the guys on my sitlist while grinding the 60s but they were not online so I tried out a couple of regs. The first one I played for about 15-20 games and he seemed ok and I know he is in the coffeeyay group so he is probably pretty smart so I put him in the BTMF reg list. Then I sat another reg that I think I had played a few times at 60s, he made the BTMF sit list and we pretty much played all night with a couple of short breaks. He battled hard and seemed like a good guy but it didn't go all that well for him:
(Graph of me vs him lifetime from his perspective. Nearly all of these were today.)
I actually ended up quitting because I was losing focus, he was happy to play more so we will probably play a bunch more games this month.
My day overall wasn't as good as that but I won a few EV$ which is cool:
I'm getting way more vpps with all this 100s warring too! I'm already platinum star this month, unfortunately I am wayyyyy too far away from Supernova still to have any chance of even getting close, but it is cool to see my fpp's going up!
Hopefully some of the guys on my sitlist are on tomorrow and I keep running good!
GL!
12-11-2013
, 04:57 PM
12-11-2013
, 06:36 PM
12-11-2013
, 07:35 PM
Haha, coffe!
Also, if anyone interested in making a new cartel pls pm me
coffe!Also, if anyone interested in making a new cartel pls pm me
Spoiler:
12-12-2013
, 12:30 AM
Day 78:
Another exciting day full of cartel gossip and drama, however poker was actually pretty boring.
I didn't put much volume in vs anyone in particular today, got a few games in vs a new cartel guy on my sitlist and accidentally sat someone who I thought was in the cartel, but after like 40 mins of 2 tabling I found out they weren't (sorry TLD!) but I'm sure he didnt care too much as he won a bunch of $$$ from me!
I ran pretty badly today, but I also misclicked off a stack which I never do, and spazzed off a stack just clicking buttons which I almost never do and am really disappointed about. I dunno why I did these things today really, I think maybe I am just getting too complacent playing vs regs and not focusing as hard. Obviously that is something that I am changing immediately.
I found 2 new guys for my sitlist at 100s so I now have 5. That is enough now so I have to start waiting for these guys and stop open sitting and playing whoever sits, it's just dumb and I know it. I am getting too addicted to the fun and action of grinding vs regs and I need to remember to stick to my plan! If there was no cartel obviously I would just sit and battle 1 on 1 with the people who sit me until they let me have lobbies, but it is like 80 on 1 and they are not allowed to quit me (although some do?) so it doesn't really work. For me to even the odds I need to do what coffeeyay did and go after specific people. Unfortunately I am not an ultra-monster like coffee so I can't just go after the bosses but I can go after the weakest members and make a bunch of $$$ so I need to be strict about doing that!
Tomorrow I will put together a game plan for the 2 new guys on my sit list and then when I grind I will only play the cartel members on my sit list and grind 30s and 60s while waiting for them! I can test out new cartel guys if/when I bust these guys, but until then I need to work on busting them!
Hopefully tomorrow I play/run a little better and stick to my plan!
GL!
Another exciting day full of cartel gossip and drama, however poker was actually pretty boring.
I didn't put much volume in vs anyone in particular today, got a few games in vs a new cartel guy on my sitlist and accidentally sat someone who I thought was in the cartel, but after like 40 mins of 2 tabling I found out they weren't (sorry TLD!) but I'm sure he didnt care too much as he won a bunch of $$$ from me!
I ran pretty badly today, but I also misclicked off a stack which I never do, and spazzed off a stack just clicking buttons which I almost never do and am really disappointed about. I dunno why I did these things today really, I think maybe I am just getting too complacent playing vs regs and not focusing as hard. Obviously that is something that I am changing immediately.
I found 2 new guys for my sitlist at 100s so I now have 5. That is enough now so I have to start waiting for these guys and stop open sitting and playing whoever sits, it's just dumb and I know it. I am getting too addicted to the fun and action of grinding vs regs and I need to remember to stick to my plan! If there was no cartel obviously I would just sit and battle 1 on 1 with the people who sit me until they let me have lobbies, but it is like 80 on 1 and they are not allowed to quit me (although some do?) so it doesn't really work. For me to even the odds I need to do what coffeeyay did and go after specific people. Unfortunately I am not an ultra-monster like coffee so I can't just go after the bosses but I can go after the weakest members and make a bunch of $$$ so I need to be strict about doing that!
Tomorrow I will put together a game plan for the 2 new guys on my sit list and then when I grind I will only play the cartel members on my sit list and grind 30s and 60s while waiting for them! I can test out new cartel guys if/when I bust these guys, but until then I need to work on busting them!
Hopefully tomorrow I play/run a little better and stick to my plan!
GL!