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03-16-2024 , 12:26 AM
Trying to get back into poker. Got into the theory like 5-6 years back, read some books, watched some videos, messed around with flopzilla and GTO+ but I had terrible tilt control and discipline, was broke, and wasn't in a good place in my life, so never really got off the ground.

Hoping to make something lasting out of it, mostly for self-enrichment and to prove to myself I can. Always loved games.

Also looking to be less of an ******* online than I was, looking at my old post history I'm embarrassed, I genuinely don't remember behaving like that and I want to be better.


Current roll is 20x buyin @ 5NL. Starting small.



Next Poker Goal: Hit 20k hands played online, checkin on winrate and post graph.

Study Goals: Polish up preflop (esp SB def ranges, BB def ranges, 3bet/call/fold ranges in raised pots, 3bet sizing vs 3x open). Post some hands on 2+2. Find a study group. Keep listening to Thinking Poker Daily pods. Read Play Optimal Poker 2.

Habit Goals: Play 5 days a week (1h a day min. Review hands for 10-15min, then 4 table 45min). STOP THINKING ABOUT AND CHECKING RESULTS MID SESSION.

Last edited by mycorrhizae; 03-16-2024 at 12:47 AM. Reason: added habits
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03-16-2024 , 12:55 AM
Groovy name.

In, Good Luck. Don't forget to update us
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03-19-2024 , 10:13 PM
At 1000 hands (very small sample) I am +$2.50 real won, down $5 in EV from expected when all in, so hard to complain.



Didn't spam refresh session info while playing last session which was good. Had a lot of hands where villain folded on the river to a large sizing, at the time made me wonder if I was sizing up too big, but getting hand history from Ignition nobody had anything worth calling with.

Biggest losses were getting bluffed off AKo with Ahearts by KQo in a 4bet pot, SPR 1.5 with a JT2J 2 heart runout. Lost a stack with AK vs QQ all in pre, not tilting at all losing a flip was good for me. And losing to after 3 streets value betting AJ vs A2, they hit a 2 on the river. Nothing jumped out.

Big wins were calling down a whale betting complete air for a stack w/ top pair KJ, stacking 2nd nut flush with the nut flush on the river, stacking KT on a 7k38 board with a set of 7s, getting 30bb of value from a whale betting air w/ nut flush. Also somehow bluffed an 85% VPIP fish off 2 pair on the flop (ignition lol).


Still need to dive into current areas of focus.
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03-20-2024 , 10:08 PM
Feeling more confident past couple sessions (maybe thats just rungood) but up to +3BI in EV, 2BI in real won. Enjoying the game and the decisions which is the important part.

Only seem to have the stamina for about an hour of 4 tabling at a time rn but that's ok.
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03-20-2024 , 10:14 PM



Realize it's silly to look at the graph every 500 hands but I'm doing it for posterity
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03-21-2024 , 05:28 AM
GLGL, keep up the good work!
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03-21-2024 , 08:29 AM
GL buddy
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03-21-2024 , 02:57 PM
Best of luck! Post some hands to get additional feedback.
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03-24-2024 , 06:24 PM
Still need to dive into preflop a bit more. Have looked at GTO RFI ranges quite a bit, I know that's step 1 so trying to have those dialed and be pretty nitty in other contexts.

SB/BB ranges - Feeling more confident from SB than BB but both are questionable still. So much depends on raise size, what you expect players behind to do. I get vastly conflicting advice about flatting SB in multiway situations, some people like to play suited connectors or pocket pairs in those spots, others hate it. I have leaned towards 3betting tight-ish or folding, but idk.

3bet/call/fold ranges in raised pots - Still not sure at all, esp multiway. Ive been leaning tight in raised spots and isoing limpers more often, but I still don't have a great idea. not sure where to study this esp in multiway spots.


3bet sizing vs 3x open - this I thought I had an idea? I have been going like, 11bbish everywhere, but checking GTOBase it uses 9bb IP as sizing, 12bb from sb and 14bb from bb against a 3x which seems massive, although the BB raising range is only 7%-14% depending on PFR's position, so I guess that makes sense.

I guess at 2.5x the sizings are 8x IP, 12x SB, 13x BB. Again feels huge. If anyone else has thoughts I am curious on what they use and why.
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03-24-2024 , 07:24 PM
Flatting from the SB becomes more and more reasonable vs. smaller sizings, situations with lower rake, weaker opposition, and when the frequency you're getting squeezed is low.

BB defense ranges depend heavily on raise sizing and the range that is raising (RFI/position)

At 100bb eff 3b sizings ip vs. rfi are typically around the 3.0x multiplier-ish range... You can opt to go larger at bigger stack depths and as exploits against villains under 4-betting and calling too often vs. 3-bets.

I'd say 3b sizings vs 3.0bb are ~9.0bb ip, 12bb from sb, and typically 13bb from BB, so the sizings you listed seem fine. As long as your raise sizings sort of fall within standard-ish range I really wouldn't give it too much thought. If you run sims with many allowed 4b sizings and 3b sizings, then BB does tend to opt into relatively large 3b sizings at 100bb eff, but the EV gain at equilibrium between all of these sizings is not really a big deal.
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03-24-2024 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Flatting from the SB becomes more and more reasonable vs. smaller sizings, situations with lower rake, weaker opposition, and when the frequency you're getting squeezed is low.

BB defense ranges depend heavily on raise sizing and the range that is raising (RFI/position)

At 100bb eff 3b sizings ip vs. rfi are typically around the 3.0x multiplier-ish range... You can opt to go larger at bigger stack depths and as exploits against villains under 4-betting and calling too often vs. 3-bets.

I'd say 3b sizings vs 3.0bb are ~9.0bb ip, 12bb from sb, and typically 13bb from BB, so the sizings you listed seem fine. As long as your raise sizings sort of fall within standard-ish range I really wouldn't give it too much thought. If you run sims with many allowed 4b sizings and 3b sizings, then BB does tend to opt into relatively large 3b sizings at 100bb eff, but the EV gain at equilibrium between all of these sizings is not really a big deal.

Highlighted part in specific I get at a general level, but I don't feel confident when in the grey area spots. Esp multiway, not sure to what extent more players impacts my own range, and factoring in multiple players with different ranges is harder than a decision vs a single RFI. Is there some fundamental rule on how to alter strategy when 2-3 players are in front vs 1? What types of hands change in value? Part of what's confusing is players vary a ton in what their flatting a preflop raise range looks like, some are tight like a solver, some flat a lot but not as much as they limp, it can be hard to guess at in the first place.
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03-24-2024 , 08:48 PM
You're technically supposed to be tighter if there are flats in front of you.
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03-24-2024 , 11:04 PM
funny hand from right before i knocked a kombucha over onto my desktop and frantically unplugged it

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO (88BBs)
BB (52.8BBs) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 22.2% |Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: K Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To 3BBs, BB Calls 2BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [8.3 effective]
Flop (6BBs): 9 K K
HERO Bets 5BBs (Rem. Stack: 80BBs), BB Calls 5BBs (Rem. Stack: 44.8BBs)

Turn (16BBs): 9 K K 6
HERO Bets 15.2BBs (Rem. Stack: 64.8BBs), BB Calls 15.2BBs (Rem. Stack: 29.6BBs)

River (46.4BBs): 9 K K 6 5
HERO Bets 44.2BBs (Rem. Stack: 20.6BBs), BB Calls 29.6BBs (allin)

Spoiler:

BB shows: 3 9

HERO wins: 100.4BBs
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03-24-2024 , 11:57 PM
Is this silly?

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO (107.6BBs)
CO (316.8BBs) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 23.8% | AGG: 46.2% | Hands: 43]
BTN (97.2BBs) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 10]
SB (99BBs) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]

Dealt to Hero: 6 8

CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To 2BBs, HERO Calls 1BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [24.25 effective]
Flop (4BBs): J T 7
SB Checks, HERO Bets 2BBs (Rem. Stack: 103.6BBs), SB Calls 2BBs (Rem. Stack: 95BBs)

Turn (8BBs): J T 7 T
SB Checks, HERO Bets 4BBs (Rem. Stack: 99.6BBs), SB Calls 4BBs (Rem. Stack: 91BBs)

River (16BBs): J T 7 T 2
SB Checks, HERO Bets 4BBs (Rem. Stack: 95.6BBs), SB Folds

Spoiler:

HERO wins: 15.2BBs
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03-25-2024 , 12:12 AM
This one is justunfortunate right? I was close to folding turn maybe im too much of a nit lol

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO (117.4BBs)
BB (98BBs) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 20% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 50% | Hands: 5]
HJ (96.6BBs) [VPIP: 57.1% | PFR: 7.1% | AGG: 27.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 14]
CO (89.4BBs) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 16.7% | Hands: 38]
BTN (98.2BBs) [VPIP: 30.4% | PFR: 26.1% | AGG: 10% | Hands: 24]

Dealt to Hero: K 8

HJ Calls 1BBs, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To 4BBs, BB Calls 3BBs, HJ Calls 3BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [7.72 effective]
Flop (12BBs): 8 9 9
HERO Bets 11.4BBs (Rem. Stack: 102BBs), BB Calls 11.4BBs (Rem. Stack: 82.6BBs), HJ Folds

Turn (34.8BBs): 8 9 9 5
HERO Checks, BB Bets 16BBs (Rem. Stack: 66.6BBs), HERO Calls 16BBs (Rem. Stack: 86BBs)

River (66.8BBs): 8 9 9 5 J
HERO Checks, BB Checks

Spoiler:

BB shows: 8 A

BB wins: 63.6BBs
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03-25-2024 , 12:32 AM
note: dont play tired

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03-30-2024 , 01:23 AM
Been busy so didn't have time to sit down and play during the week, but had an ok session today. Made a few questionable decisions that I immediately regretted lol, but still ended up ok.

Had one hand that tilted me, someone overbet shoved me off a main pot of 67bigs w/ a short stack all in, with jack high, on the river, and lost to the short stacks queen high. No world where anyone who has any idea what is happening does that, either they are incredibly stupid or colluding. I lean stupid but was still annoying to fold the best hand to someone who freerolled themselves.

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03-30-2024 , 01:27 AM
hand in question. wtf??

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO (100BBs)
HJ (23BBs) [VPIP: 85.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 21.1% | Flop Agg: 14.3% | Turn Agg: 16.7% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 7]
CO (33.2BBs) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 26]
BTN (155.8BBs) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 47.8% | Flop Agg: 30% | Turn Agg: 62.5% | River Agg: 60% | 3Bet: 6.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 41]
SB (115BBs) [VPIP: 13.3% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 17]

Dealt to Hero: A K

HJ Calls 1BBs, CO Calls 1BBs, BTN Raises To 5BBs, SB Folds, HERO Raises To 15BBs, HJ Calls 14BBs, CO Folds, BTN Calls 10BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [0.17 effective]
Flop (46.4BBs): 6 3 3
HERO Bets 8BBs (Rem. Stack: 77BBs), HJ Calls 8BBs (allin), BTN Calls 8BBs (Rem. Stack: 132.8BBs)

Turn (70.4BBs): 6 3 3 3
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River (70.4BBs): 6 3 3 3 J
HERO Checks, BTN Bets 132.8BBs (allin), HERO Folds

Spoiler:

HJ shows: K 5
BTN shows: T 9

HJ wins: 67BBs
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04-03-2024 , 02:31 PM
Slammed at work recently, have not had time to play. Hoping to get some time in this weekend
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04-05-2024 , 03:57 PM
had a dog emergency last night, so running on very little sleep after a long stay at the emergency vet. on the plus side, have some free time now b/c I am stuck home dogsitting.

was inspired by Marinelli on mechanics of poker and decided to be a bit more serious about mapping out my poker study plan. also sprung for a GTOwiz sub despite my own better judgement and knowing that I won't be utilizing it to its full potential, and that I have low hanging fruit that would be faster addressed thru other means. But its an impulse purchase and im looking at it as a hobby expense and not like, maximal utility spending of my poker budget lol. access to the trainer is also nice.

Below is my current study plan. mapped out a bunch of stuff in OneNote.

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04-05-2024 , 05:47 PM
Obviously there's a million preflop charts out there but decided I wanted to build some charts myself. Goal with these is to have some visualization of EV of hands in the range, but minimize visual clutter/noise. Make it simple enough to easily remember and reference.

A bunch of mixes and EV numbers makes it harder to easily grok for me, and having a binary raise/fold chart smushes the value hands and 0EV hands together into one category, so this is an attempted compromise.

Here are the first few:






Last edited by mycorrhizae; 04-05-2024 at 05:49 PM. Reason: broken image
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04-07-2024 , 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
too tight
Yea I'm just building out some GTO ranges to look at, I'm too lose preflop in practice
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