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07-31-2010 , 02:09 AM
Background -

My name is Jake and I have been somewhat of a sng grinder for the last year or so, with low volume, but quality results. After some thought I have decided to make the transition to cash, and to grind full time. I have all the tools and resources necessary to play for a living, but the drive and discipline have not always been there, I intend to change this. I am a 22 year old with no job and all the time in the world, it's time to make it happen.

Plan -

I will start August 1st.

Since I am calling it "full time" I will be playing 40 hours a week minimum.

Mon - Fri 5pm - 1am - I will be playing to some degree on the weekends, depending on free time, results, how I feel etc...

I have purchased HEM, Harrington on Cash games vol 1, and a 3 month subscription to Grinder school. I will also be posting/studying daily here on the forums.

My close friend has offered to stake me $250 to play NL10, 50/50 profit split monthly, while leaving 20% of his profits in the stake to increase the roll. I have 12 tabled sng's with ease, so I will be attempting to 10 table cash.

I am setting my volume goal at 125 k hands/Month.

Future -

I plan to conclude my stake by the end of the year, and have a roll worthy enough to stick to the full time grind and pocket all the profit.

My ultimate goal is to be able to make a quality living doing what I love, playing poker.
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07-31-2010 , 02:16 AM
how much is your starting br? just your friends 250$ or what? Good luck
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07-31-2010 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cmatan44
how much is your starting br? just your friends 250$ or what? Good luck
$250

25 Buy ins at NL10.

TY.
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07-31-2010 , 02:26 AM
goin pro and playing 10NL? gl but you should keep looking for a job while your doing this.
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07-31-2010 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by metsfan88
goin pro and playing 10NL? gl but you should keep looking for a job while your doing this.
I will be moving up obv. I currently have a steady income, this is not an immediate concern.

2 - 3 months move up to NL25, another 2 - 3 Months NL50 etc...
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07-31-2010 , 03:43 AM
gl.
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07-31-2010 , 05:31 AM
lol ^

[ ] BRM
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07-31-2010 , 05:57 AM
I got a bit curious. Steady income with no job, I'm sure many of us would be interested in such a solution!

Do you mind sharing your secret?
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07-31-2010 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Elisavet
lol ^

[ ] BRM
I think 25 buyins at NL10 is more than enough. The variance is lower where the players are worse.
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07-31-2010 , 06:00 AM
good luck but...

Get a job. Seriously. Speaking as someone who played "pro" at a decent level and made more than I do now in my job, you are best getting even a part time job and learning poker part time. The idea of playing micro stakes full time with $250 is very depressing to me. If you have the drive to do it then you may well do ok but at least get a job before you move up to a reasonable level (100nl or 200nl) where you can actually make a decent amount.

Even if you learn quick and move up the ladder faster than most, you are still going to have a few months living off pennies when you could be working and learning in your spare time. Good luck either way.
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07-31-2010 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JHolsinger88
I have 12 tabled sng's with ease, so I will be attempting to 10 table cash.

Multitabling S&G's is a lot easier than cash games as you have less decisions, so 10 tables might be a little much for you to start with, try 6 or 8 first then add more if your comfortable.

Good luck
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07-31-2010 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyRare
I got a bit curious. Steady income with no job, I'm sure many of us would be interested in such a solution!

Do you mind sharing your secret?
Lol. I have side income and a gf with a job who actually supports me playing poker, I will also be coming into a lump sum of $ in September.

No secret, my situation is just good for this at the moment.
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Originally Posted by sweeng8
good luck but...

Get a job. Seriously. Speaking as someone who played "pro" at a decent level and made more than I do now in my job, you are best getting even a part time job and learning poker part time. The idea of playing micro stakes full time with $250 is very depressing to me. If you have the drive to do it then you may well do ok but at least get a job before you move up to a reasonable level (100nl or 200nl) where you can actually make a decent amount.

Even if you learn quick and move up the ladder faster than most, you are still going to have a few months living off pennies when you could be working and learning in your spare time. Good luck either way.
I appreciate your concern but, these first few months are for me to get a feel for the full time grind of cash. I never once said I wanted to live off poker immediately, rather to use this stake to build a roll of my own so that I can put myself in a position to. I am not a poker noob, I have a solid game (12% all time ROI) and a firm grasp on a lot of concepts, and the resources to improve. Yes it will be slow at NL10 at first (not exactly pennies), but in a few months I know it will be well worth the gind.

TY for your insight and GL.
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Originally Posted by LygerWon
Multitabling S&G's is a lot easier than cash games as you have less decisions, so 10 tables might be a little much for you to start with, try 6 or 8 first then add more if your comfortable.

Good luck
I have 10 tabled cash before and was able to do it with relative ease, following the action is easy imo, it's the loading/closing of the tables that makes it somewhat challenging.

GL.
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07-31-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LygerWon
Multitabling S&G's is a lot easier than cash games as you have less decisions, so 10 tables might be a little much for you to start with, try 6 or 8 first then add more if your comfortable.

Good luck
yea this, i 20-45 table (primetime i hit up to 45) sngs and when im playing cash I play a max of 9 tables atm to play optimally using my HUD and other tools while being able to take notes on players.
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07-31-2010 , 01:19 PM
Tomorrow I will begin posting graphs and hands, as well as anything interesting/relative.
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07-31-2010 , 01:47 PM
Just 4 table rush poker, less mess and is the same as 24 tabling, plus you would more than double your hand volume with less hassle, yeah its not realy as good if you dont have solid reads on a player but you dont need to worry to much about the players, it will save you a ton of time

Bad beats are quicker but as are heaters, i think its by far the best way to grind through the micro stakes, and the rakeback is insaine for the 10nl when you put in a good amount each week. You say your gonna put 40hours a week in, you will be shocked how much rakeback you get

More good news is that its instant asction, i think you need this through the micro limits as like some one said before, long sessions in micro stakes can be so depressing as aposed to the mid and high stakes (not that i know what mid and high stakes action is but obv its gonna be better)

I currently play Rush as soon as i hit to 100nl im going to move back to normal 6max and fullring

Also if your getting a lump some of money in then get some propper coaching, 1-1 stuff with respected cash grinders who can crush the micro limits these days, gl
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07-31-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by moneybag09
Just 4 table rush poker, less mess and is the same as 24 tabling, plus you would more than double your hand volume with less hassle, yeah its not realy as good if you dont have solid reads on a player but you dont need to worry to much about the players, it will save you a ton of time

Bad beats are quicker but as are heaters, i think its by far the best way to grind through the micro stakes, and the rakeback is insaine for the 10nl when you put in a good amount each week. You say your gonna put 40hours a week in, you will be shocked how much rakeback you get

More good news is that its instant asction, i think you need this through the micro limits as like some one said before, long sessions in micro stakes can be so depressing as aposed to the mid and high stakes (not that i know what mid and high stakes action is but obv its gonna be better)

I currently play Rush as soon as i hit to 100nl im going to move back to normal 6max and fullring

Also if your getting a lump some of money in then get some propper coaching, 1-1 stuff with respected cash grinders who can crush the micro limits these days, gl
TY for the advice. I prob will add some rush into my schedule to mix things up a bit and to max my volume.

GL.
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07-31-2010 , 02:13 PM
In before OP's soul is destroyed grinding low stakes cash games full time.
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07-31-2010 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mistergrinch
In before OP's soul is destroyed grinding low stakes cash games full time.
LOL.

I once worked at a Mcdonald's for a year, in which I rode a bus an hr to and from...

I think I can handle playing the micros full time, you have to start somewhere.

TY for your humor and GL.
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07-31-2010 , 02:36 PM
Gl!! Will you play fr or 6m? I guess fr, you might be able to play that amount of tables, but for 6m I suggest playing 4 tables and improve your game.

And its good to see you get staked but if I were you I would quit the staking deal as soon as you are sure that you can beat the games. Otherwise you are losing a lot of $$$. Especially when you say the money is no concern.

25 bi is more then enough for nl10 imo.
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07-31-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyBwohoho
Gl!! Will you play fr or 6m? I guess fr, you might be able to play that amount of tables, but for 6m I suggest playing 4 tables and improve your game.

And its good to see you get staked but if I were you I would quit the staking deal as soon as you are sure that you can beat the games. Otherwise you are losing a lot of $$$. Especially when you say the money is no concern.

25 bi is more then enough for nl10 imo.
Full ring. Yes I intend to end the stake once I have a large winning sample size, and a worthy bankroll of my own.

TY and GL.
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08-01-2010 , 08:16 AM
GL with this, it's a challenge for sure, but stick with it, increase your tables when you get more comfortable, and move up asap. People make some decent money at 25NL and 50NL and the bonus money on stars is well worth it when you become supernova. Good luck with you cash games sir!!!
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08-01-2010 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by metchie
GL with this, it's a challenge for sure, but stick with it, increase your tables when you get more comfortable, and move up asap. People make some decent money at 25NL and 50NL and the bonus money on stars is well worth it when you become supernova. Good luck with you cash games sir!!!
TY & GL.
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08-01-2010 , 04:30 PM
Sunday Aug 1st

Even as it being one of my "off days" I decided to play some today. I 10 tabled NL10 for almost 2 hrs with relative success, then 4 tabled some NL10 Rush, which was easy but had some nasty rivers and coolers.

NL10 - 1,026 Hands / +$9.15 / +$8.74 Adjusted / 8.92bb/100

NL10 Rush - 877 Hands / -$15.88 / -$15.18 Adjusted / -18.11bb/100



Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.70
UTG+1: $15.38
UTG+2: $6.95
MP1: $17.47
MP2: $5.22
Hero (CO): $10.11
BTN: $26.73
SB: $3.95
BB: $4.29

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $1.45, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10.11, BTN calls $8.66

Flop: ($20.47) Q 9 8

Turn: ($20.47) 2

River: ($20.47) 3

Final Pot: $20.47
Hero shows K K
BTN shows A A
BTN wins $19.11
(Rake: $1.36)

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $11.28
BB: $5.50
UTG: $6.69
UTG+1: $2.09
UTG+2: $5.26
MP1: $9.07
Hero (MP2): $13.55
CO: $14.56
BTN: $4.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with A A
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) Q 5 J (2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.10) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.25

River: ($7.10) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $7.10, Hero calls $7.10

Final Pot: $21.30
SB shows 5 4
Hero mucks A A
SB wins $19.88
(Rake: $1.42)

An ok day all in all, I am confident I can 10 table, and 4 table Rush. Tomorrow will be my first full time day. Today was just to get my feet wet so to speak. Looking forward to it.

GL.
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08-01-2010 , 05:26 PM
Best of luck man but I think this might be a hard challenge with that roll playing that many tables at once.
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08-01-2010 , 05:30 PM
deposit 1k
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