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07-23-2010 , 05:19 AM
GL sir, will sweat
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07-23-2010 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dude-Bun
Im also a uNL donk too much of the time who's trying to turn things around. slightly more experienced and played higher stakes than you but tilted proportionally.

I'm going to get 130$ rakeback and try rebuilding myself as well starting this weekend, so I know where you come from.

My advice would be read, analyze, practice. in that order. dont do the classic mistake of just jumping into action and forgetting to study the game. Go read 1-2 COTWs in the uNLfr forum , or strategy guides in uNL6max , take some time to think about what you rad, review your previous session (if you already have HEM and started playing) and then take a session where you're concentrated and thinking about your game.



gl!
Cheers, hopefully this thread can become an inspiration for major tilters and donks, who actually have a passion but get frustrated.
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07-23-2010 , 05:59 AM
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GL sir, will sweat
Thankyou very much, sweat? As in sweat session with me?
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07-23-2010 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NASH3R
Thankyou very much, sweat? As in sweat session with me?
bit from A, bit from B (A=thread/B=session)
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07-23-2010 , 06:46 AM
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bit from A, bit from B (A=thread/B=session)
That would be great, I will be going into detail here with everything I do going forward.
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07-23-2010 , 08:18 AM
Cash:
Stick with 2NL (FR or 6max) untill you've won some money back. Don't play the other 20 or so games on FTP.

You are way way too agressive. (No surprise that you win more with QQ than with AA or KK).
Also AK is a big problem for you, learn to play this hand (or learn not to lose too much money on it).

You have a long way ahead of you but you can take it step by step (slowly).
GL

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07-23-2010 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DreadX
Cash:
Stick with 2NL (FR or 6max) untill you've won some money back. Don't play the other 20 or so games on FTP.

You are way way too agressive. (No surprise that you win more with QQ than with AA or KK).
Also AK is a big problem for you, learn to play this hand (or learn not to lose too much money on it).

You have a long way ahead of you but you can take it step by step (slowly).
GL
Thanks dreadx,

I will be sticking to 6max only from now on.

Do you have anytips? I was really dissapointed when I saw those losses on ak and above.

Slowy slowly catch the monkey.
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07-23-2010 , 11:36 AM
Update

I have just purchased HEM. I have joined the HEM forums and will studying the material there heavily.
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07-23-2010 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NASH3R
Thanks dreadx,

I will be sticking to 6max only from now on.

Do you have anytips? I was really dissapointed when I saw those losses on ak and above.

Slowy slowly catch the monkey.


dunno about 2nl, but ive messed around in 5nl when i was working on my HUD setup, and found that ppl there LOVE to slowplay big hands preflop. i played about 500 hands, and i will say each time i got shown a big hand (AA, KK, QQ) none of them were 3bet or even raised preflop.
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07-23-2010 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ouird
dunno about 2nl, but ive messed around in 5nl when i was working on my HUD setup, and found that ppl there LOVE to slowplay big hands preflop. i played about 500 hands, and i will say each time i got shown a big hand (AA, KK, QQ) none of them were 3bet or even raised preflop.
thanks for getting involved and railing my thread.

thanks for the advice, I should take advantage of that then.
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07-23-2010 , 01:50 PM
Good luck, man. I think the biggest obstacle any donkey can overcome is admiting that he sucks and needs help. I went through a similar situation late last year and I'm still learning.

Poker is an easy game to learn and incredibly hard to master. That's why I love it.
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07-23-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Good luck, man. I think the biggest obstacle any donkey can overcome is admiting that he sucks and needs help. I went through a similar situation late last year and I'm still learning.

Poker is an easy game to learn and incredibly hard to master. That's why I love it.
Thank you, there you go I have overcome that obstacle.

And will be doing my utmost here to learn and network.

Hope you will rail this thread,

Cheers.
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07-23-2010 , 04:24 PM
Did you, by any chance, save your old handhistories so you can put them in HEM?
If not request handhistory from the poker site (if possible). This way you can learn from your old mistakes.

Any tips??:
new-6max-strategy-articles : post #25

The best tip I can give you is:
"Learn how to learn something about poker you wish to know."

Last edited by DreadX; 07-23-2010 at 04:25 PM. Reason: added post#
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07-23-2010 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DreadX
Did you, by any chance, save your old handhistories so you can put them in HEM?
If not request handhistory from the poker site (if possible). This way you can learn from your old mistakes.

Any tips??:
new-6max-strategy-articles : post #25

The best tip I can give you is:
"Learn how to learn something about poker you wish to know."
Hey Dread,

No I didn't unfortunately, but I purchased HEM today, and ensured that FT & Stars are saving hand histories.

Thanks Dread It will be nice if you hung around this thread mate.

Big Ups.
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07-24-2010 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NASH3R
Yes brother, I'm from cardiff in wales.
Cool bud subscribed , currently in a bit of rehab myself. Quit job to play , £400 a week grinding, went on $8k heater PLO reg for a week lol. Now back grinding $2 SNG. If you ever wanna chat hit me up were going to the same place :P
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07-24-2010 , 12:51 PM
Update

OK, so what I've taken from this thread so far Is:

Need to get out and free my mind a bit, so I have downloaded the last 2 2+2 radio shows I've missed onto my I pod and plan to start running, whilst listening to them.

Utilise the poker bank fully - no point in spending cash on duces cracked or card runner yet Imo.

Blog has been stopped for obvious reasons and will leave a final post there.

6max strategy guides in uNL and verneers pdf Ive saved to my home desktop and at work will be fully read and re read over and over again.

Look Into my hands especially AK.

I've bought Hem so be around the Hem forums, and learn how to get the most out of It. Need to sort Hud out etc.

Progress

Ok, I was going to load up Stars and FT with $60 each for full bankrolls at 2NL, but havent yet I just put $10 In both plus I had $5 rake at FT Friday.

FT Cash. 714 hands. up $7.73



Stars Cash. 716 hands. up $9.26



So graphs are going In the right way.

Once again any advice, Ideas and comments are greatly appreciated.

Nasher.
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07-24-2010 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Playingformylife
Cool bud subscribed , currently in a bit of rehab myself. Quit job to play , £400 a week grinding, went on $8k heater PLO reg for a week lol. Now back grinding $2 SNG. If you ever wanna chat hit me up were going to the same place :P
Where you from In the UK then bro? I only ever dream of quitting to play full time, hopefully a few years, see where this takes me aye?

Yeah man thanks, keep railing me here.
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07-24-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Where you from In the UK then bro? I only ever dream of quitting to play full time, hopefully a few years, see where this takes me aye?

Yeah man thanks, keep railing me here.

Up in highlands of scotland. Was in Glasgow but after my busto had to move home. I dreamed of it for years then just went for it (dont advise this make sure
you have a BR and LR lol). I also had severe tilt issues and very bad BRM but worked on them when i was playing for my life lol.

Impossible is nothing m8 reach for the stars. Im broke just now but it doesnt get me down , just makes me more hungry for success!
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07-25-2010 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Playingformylife
Up in highlands of scotland. Was in Glasgow but after my busto had to move home. I dreamed of it for years then just went for it (dont advise this make sure
you have a BR and LR lol). I also had severe tilt issues and very bad BRM but worked on them when i was playing for my life lol.

Impossible is nothing m8 reach for the stars. Im broke just now but it doesnt get me down , just makes me more hungry for success!
what's a LR?
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07-25-2010 , 02:27 PM
UPDATE

Something horrible has just happened.

Stars. Cash. 1247 Hands. -$15.06



I took a series of bad beats, and did the most stupid thing and moved upto 10nl for one shot.

And this happened.

PokerStars Game #47253244395: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/07/25 19:12:17 WET [2010/07/25 14:12:17 ET]
Table 'Euryalos IX' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: zgjimtopxhiu ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: obraunnn ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: huetti87 ($10.76 in chips)
Seat 5: Corkeye ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 6: 14thstreets ($12.53 in chips)
14thstreets: posts small blind $0.05
zgjimtopxhiu: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 14thstreets [Js Jc]
obraunnn: raises $0.30 to $0.40
huetti87: folds
Corkeye: folds
14thstreets: raises $0.80 to $1.20
zgjimtopxhiu: folds
obraunnn: calls $0.80
*** FLOP *** [9s Jh 2c]
14thstreets: checks
obraunnn: bets $1.80
14thstreets: raises $2.60 to $4.40
obraunnn: raises $4.40 to $8.80 and is all-in
14thstreets: calls $4.40
*** TURN *** [9s Jh 2c] [As]
*** RIVER *** [9s Jh 2c As] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
14thstreets: shows [Js Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
obraunnn: shows [Ac Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
obraunnn collected $19.11 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.10 | Rake $0.99
Board [9s Jh 2c As Td]
Seat 2: zgjimtopxhiu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: obraunnn showed [Ac Ah] and won ($19.11) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: huetti87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Corkeye (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 14thstreets (small blind) showed [Js Jc] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks

Set over set what can I do? If I bet the flop he was still getting It all In Imo.

I will punish myself now and grind 2nl until I get back to where I was.

On a more positive note.

FT Cash. 1236 Hands + $18.30

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07-25-2010 , 02:32 PM
dont be worried about the results. its the Decisions you have to be confident in.
coolers/bad beats are a part of the game.

remember this isnt a race, its a Journey.
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07-25-2010 , 02:37 PM
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dont be worried about the results. its the Decisions you have to be confident in.
coolers/bad beats are a part of the game.

remember this isnt a race, its a Journey.
Cheers Ouird,

Thanks for being part of It.
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07-25-2010 , 03:24 PM
Hey I like the idea of this thread and I'll be following it I'm sure, hope you achieve the success you desire. I am by no means the kind of player to look up to or even listen to, but have a few comments/questions/opinions.

Firstly, how many tables do you generally play? Maybe while you are fine tuning your play early on it would be best to play just one table, or at least less than you are, it seems like you've played a lot of hands quite quickly.

What's your reason for playing on both stars and tilt, why not just choose one? I wouldn't know if this makes any difference to anything, but is there a reason?

You already know this one but aren't acting on it: You shouldn't take shots after losing some, its never a good idea, you're in the wrong state of mind for it and are much more likely to lose, and you'll take a bigger hit than what you would take at your level. The graph shows you losing patience just because you're not having a great session.

Also you say it was "bad beats", which maybe they are but you should look back at hands like that and think "could I have played it any better?" If the answer is yes, then do better next time, if no then just be happy about that, and if you don't know, post a hand history on the forums and people will be happy to flame the hell out of you. But it's usually sound advice, I know I myself have learnt a lot just from reading other peoples posts.

What Ouird said is very true, its a journey not a race. It's obvious to me that you have problems controlling tilt (taking a shot at 10nl). That's natural. If you can control that its an advantage over a lot of players. My advice is to try and take enjoyment out of playing well and learning the game. Try and separate the thought of whats in your account as real money, think of it as points in a game. I mean there's just so much you need to learn about controlling your mindset, anticipating the mindset of others. I could literally go forever rambling about it. I'm just really listing things that are popping into my head in no real order. End of the day you just have to find your own way of dealing with it all, one day it will just click hopefully and you never look back. I wish you the best of luck mate.
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07-25-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Hey I like the idea of this thread and I'll be following it I'm sure, hope you achieve the success you desire. I am by no means the kind of player to look up to or even listen to, but have a few comments/questions/opinions.

Firstly, how many tables do you generally play? Maybe while you are fine tuning your play early on it would be best to play just one table, or at least less than you are, it seems like you've played a lot of hands quite quickly.

What's your reason for playing on both stars and tilt, why not just choose one? I wouldn't know if this makes any difference to anything, but is there a reason?

You already know this one but aren't acting on it: You shouldn't take shots after losing some, its never a good idea, you're in the wrong state of mind for it and are much more likely to lose, and you'll take a bigger hit than what you would take at your level. The graph shows you losing patience just because you're not having a great session.

Also you say it was "bad beats", which maybe they are but you should look back at hands like that and think "could I have played it any better?" If the answer is yes, then do better next time, if no then just be happy about that, and if you don't know, post a hand history on the forums and people will be happy to flame the hell out of you. But it's usually sound advice, I know I myself have learnt a lot just from reading other peoples posts.

What Ouird said is very true, its a journey not a race. It's obvious to me that you have problems controlling tilt (taking a shot at 10nl). That's natural. If you can control that its an advantage over a lot of players. My advice is to try and take enjoyment out of playing well and learning the game. Try and separate the thought of whats in your account as real money, think of it as points in a game. I mean there's just so much you need to learn about controlling your mindset, anticipating the mindset of others. I could literally go forever rambling about it. I'm just really listing things that are popping into my head in no real order. End of the day you just have to find your own way of dealing with it all, one day it will just click hopefully and you never look back. I wish you the best of luck mate.
Hello Matt,

Thanks for taking the time to get Involved.

I'm Playing around 6 tables at any one time at the moment on stars playing tighter than usual at the moment. Just to make up the deficit "in the points" In my game

I have a deficit on both, welcome to check my PTR. So part of the challenge Is to get out of the hole at both sites.

I do have Tilt Issues and I know I should not have took the shot. I might take a day off In the next few days to purely discuss hands and review all the hands I've racked up.

Thanks again Matt, please rail my thread.
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07-25-2010 , 03:57 PM
Good luck on your journey, I'm starting a typical journey myself. I'm calling it my $40,000 project. I actually have the project planned to reach $100,000 but my goal is to make $40,000 at this point.

I've been playing poker for 12 years. My first time playing was a visit to an indian casino in California. I had just bought a book on black jack and wanted to try out all the strategies it suggested. In the same book was a section on poker, so I was curious to try that out as well.

I played several hands of black jack and lost $100, so I switched to Limit Holdem and won $100 fairly quickly. Then I went back to black jack and lost that $100. This process repeated it self a few times before I finally realized, "I'm not a black jack player, I need to play poker."

Fast forward 12 years and I'm happy with my decision. Because of life issues I've never made a ton of proft, but I have made about $500 online, and another $1000 in live casinos. So all though I might not be a pro I do have quite a bit of experience.

Now that my background is out of the way. I do have a piece of advice for you. Set two limits for your games. Your win limit, and your loss limit. The loss limit is obvious to many, but you may ask, why have a win limit? After all if your winning shoulnd't you keep playing. The purpose of a win limit is to give you a specific goal for the day and once you reach that goal you feel like you have accomplished something for that session.

I play two tables at a time for maximum buy in at each, 5NL. If I lose a buy in for a table, I close that table and only play on one table untill I reach my session win limit, or I loose my buy in.

I set my win limits to a very moddest 1.7% of my total bankroll. I have a spreadsheet that I use to check my daily goals and then I mark whetehr or not I have reached my daily goal. This method has worked for me for quite some time. I think setting these win/loss limits will help you, it limits your playing time to a reasonable amount. It prevents you from going on supper tilt, and it keeps you playing the stakes that you are Bank Rolled for.

I wish you luck and I hope that you can take something from what I wrote. Don't try to win $100.00 your first day of playing, slowly massage your bankroll. I think you will find yourself enjoying the game more if you set smaller goals.
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