Hi all, started playing poker back in June and gravitated towards zone (Ignition's fast fold/zoom tables). Has gone decently but poker is hard.

Past 60 days on Ignition: -$327, -$117 EV adj.


Very much not a redline warrior currently but we're having long breakeven stretches instead of a straight line down

50z feels like a cursed stake especially with rake being the exact same bb/100 as 25z

Month so far:
Ignition: 3k hands of 25z at -23EVbb/100, -28bb/100
ACR: 7k hands of 10z at 7.3EVbb/100, -2.2bb/100 so probably even after RB
~30k hands of 25z on another site, up $350. PT4 doesn't track it but I'll probably buy some software soon so I can do hand reviews (+graph)
Made a Global account. No zoom, shitty interface and no hand histories but fun chatting with the fish and pretty soft factoring in RB. HU is my favorite so nice to play some of that too. Maybe 800 hands, +$25. Similar to app games but less sketchy.

Long-term goal is to get (back) to 200z. Somehow I got a buyin for 200z in June (don't remember but didn't deposit it, probably PLO) and sun ran for research purposes.

No more degening though, sticking to NLHE cash games I'm confident I have an edge in.

As for live, I play a $.5/$1 home game with the boys but a poker trip is in the works. Already was planning on going to Miami which works out nicely for poker, Hollywood Hard Rock seems like a reasonable choice so I'll probably play some $2/$5 there. I'm under 21 currently so can't go to Vegas or anywhere near me in Massachusetts. Might go to Texas as most places are 18+ (Lodge is 21).

Got a GTO Wizard sub last month and have been studying a good amount with that. The NL50 preflop ranges definitely don't match how I play beyond open and 3bet. 4betting OOP is more common than calling, and BVB is crazy aggressive with AQo being a +5bb call vs a BB shove. Did that in game and obviously lose to AK because the loosest jammers are doing 99+ AK so it's a massive punt.

Curious what people think about 4betting and 5betting loose or just ~GTO in these stakes.

HH of the day

Started using a HUD today, shocked at how many nits there are. 2k hands +$95
Just using these stats and really only looking at 1st 3. Curious if there's a resource or guide for how long certain stats take to be somewhat reliable?


Feel like fold river is reasonable here. Doubt this guy is Raising stuff like ace high bdfd on flop. Turn is very good for him so interesting to check looks very middling.
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BB ($82.75) [VPIP: 17.5% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 4.2% | Hands: 125]
UTG ($24.99) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 85]
HJ ($30.32) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 35.3% | Hands: 126]
HERO ($98.62)
BTN ($12.74) [VPIP: 19.2% | PFR: 4.8% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 274]
SB ($32.27) [VPIP: 10.9% | PFR: 8.7% | AGG: 11.1% | Hands: 170]

Dealt to Hero: J Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.62, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.37

Hero SPR on Flop: [61.29 effective]
Flop ($1.34): J Q K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.41 (Rem. Stack: $97.59), BB Raises To $1.75 (Rem. Stack: $80.38), HERO Calls $1.34 (Rem. Stack: $96.25)

Turn ($4.84): J Q K 5
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($4.84): J Q K 5 8
BB Bets $1.37 (Rem. Stack: $79.01), HERO Calls $1.37 (Rem. Stack: $94.88)

2.9k hands -$25 one of those days where it seems like they always have it but with fish punts I barely lost

There's no way these VPIP PFR stats are correct. I'm guessing when I fold early in zoom that's messing with the numbers? Notes said villain likes bluffing so snap called, probably a fold vs most at these stakes
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
UTG ($26.26) [VPIP: 14.1% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 323]
HJ ($26.46) [VPIP: 12.6% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 43.8% | Hands: 507]
CO ($23.33) [VPIP: 12% | PFR: 2.6% | AGG: 23.6% | Hands: 841]
HERO ($34.12)
SB ($25) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 14% | AGG: 7.7% | Hands: 330]
BB ($37.69) [VPIP: 34.4% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 87.5% | Flop Agg: 75% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 28.6% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 60]

Dealt to Hero: 2 K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.62, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.37

Hero SPR on Flop: [25 effective]
Flop ($1.34): 4 2 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($1.34): 4 2 9 8
BB Bets $1.23 (Rem. Stack: $35.84), HERO Calls $1.23 (Rem. Stack: $32.27)

River ($3.80): 4 2 9 8 7
BB Bets $3.48 (Rem. Stack: $32.36), HERO Calls $3.48 (Rem. Stack: $28.79)



Notes say villain likes 1/2 pot bluffs, felt like x/c river was going to be ugly

NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($19.83) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 3.3% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 60% | 3Bet: 12.5% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 54]
CO ($70.80) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 52.9% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 63.6% | 3Bet: 2.1% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 270]
BTN ($26.04) [VPIP: 11.6% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 25.6% | Hands: 1047]
HERO ($26.47)
BB ($25.88) [VPIP: 9.4% | PFR: 4.7% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 145]
UTG ($97.02) [VPIP: 34% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 42.1% | Hands: 73]

Dealt to Hero: J A

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $0.25, CO Calls $0.25, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.50, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.25, CO Calls $1.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.86 effective]
Flop ($4.75): 6 3 3
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $2.17 (Rem. Stack: $16.16), CO Folds, HERO Calls $2.17 (Rem. Stack: $22.80)

Turn ($9.09): 6 3 3 7
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $4.19 (Rem. Stack: $11.97), HERO Raises To $22.80 (allin), HJ Folds

You butchered that K8o hand. And shoving AQo 100bb deep BvB isn't a thing.

Online poker isn't some cake walk. You're going to get rinsed in online poker fast if you don't start taking it more seriously. It's more then likely you're just getting insanely lucky and playing against some soft opponents. You need a lot more then 30k hands to know if you're crushing or losing.

Just noticed I never said anything about the K8o hand so:
Pre is definitely fine and likely printing in practice as people aren't 4betting enough here
Flop sizing is a misclick or something as I'm only betting 1/3 (25% on mono or 4bp) but I'd like to incorporate 50-125% flop bets. Can't remember if I was going to mix checking with this exact combo but I'm definitely not range betting
Turn I find out my opponent is a fish (anonymous), 25% donk doesn't feel super strong but I didn't feel like there was a ton of useful fold equity here. In GTO land I assume I need to find a ton of raises.
River check feels like an odd shift in tempo so in my mind either middling hand (Jx scared of Q, random pairs), give ups, or weird slow play. Kc blocker seemed really good since all of those call (unless KTo calls pre which is possible) and I'm bottom of SDV though still beating stupid bullshit so checking is >0ev in practice.

FWIW villain shows AcQs, and checking GTOWizard I used the most common line in every node. Checked Hand2Note though and small turn donks are actually fairly weak so I'd probably pure raise turn here.

AQo shove (and call!) is a thing at least sometimes in every configuration and rake structure I looked at but especially in micros facing a larger 4b



Feel like your comment is unnecessarily negative and unhelpful though so btw

I don't believe that most of your opponents have a wide enough range to make shoving AQo BvB profitable. That just sounds like a punt. I've played these stakes too and can tell you from experience that I know they don't have a wide enough 4-betting range to make shoving AQo profitable. They just don't.

Generally speaking it sounds like you have some decent knowledge of solvers, but I think you're having trouble applying everything you've learned to the actual game level at which you're playing. And I feel like you should spend some time away from the solvers and focus on things like game dynamic, player tendencies, and range interaction. From there you can start tweaking your game play in an exploitative manner that plays best against your opponents.

Good luck.

2.5k hands $-26 but +$57 EV adj.
Once again surprised I'm down so little

Normally fold as even though we beat all bluffs and have decent card removal, its just really hard to bluff jam against this sizing as people don't love bluffing missed fd and everything else is fine with just calling.
Villain seems fishy and I think most value combos bet turn on this board
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 11.4% | PFR: 9.6% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 849]
CO ($24.99) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 9.2% | AGG: 15% | Hands: 106]
BTN ($43.33) [VPIP: 36.6% | PFR: 29.6% | AGG: 10.5% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 11.8% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 119]
HERO ($26.36)
BB ($25) [VPIP: 13% | PFR: 8.6% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 253]
UTG ($20.96) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 10]

Dealt to Hero: 5 A

UTG Calls $0.25, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.75, HERO Raises To $3.10, BB Folds, UTG Folds, BTN Calls $2.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.47 effective]
Flop ($6.70): J 4 A
HERO Bets $2.03 (Rem. Stack: $21.23), BTN Calls $2.03 (Rem. Stack: $38.20)

Turn ($10.76): J 4 A Q
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($10.76): J 4 A Q 3
HERO Bets $3.28 (Rem. Stack: $17.95), BTN Raises To $38.20 (allin), HERO Calls $17.95 (allin)



I think the common advice is that multiway bluffs are a bad idea but I feel like people are playing face up and there's a lot of spots where I bet and everyone predictably snap folds.
Here everyone was checking pretty fast and river is a total brick. Definitely incentive for people to bet turn with good/very strong hands too.
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($27.53) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 11]
BTN ($25.48) [VPIP: 15.3% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 25% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 20% | 3Bet: 5.7% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 496]
SB ($22.41) [VPIP: 11.3% | PFR: 4.2% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 116]
HERO ($33.08)
UTG ($32.31) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 9.1% | Flop Agg: 16.7% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 48]
HJ ($109.06) [VPIP: 12.3% | PFR: 7.8% | AGG: 47.4% | Hands: 396]

Dealt to Hero: K Q

UTG Calls $0.25, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.25, SB Calls $0.15, HERO Raises To $1.45, UTG Calls $1.20, BTN Calls $1.20, SB Calls $1.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.61 effective]
Flop ($5.80): J 9 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.75 (Rem. Stack: $29.88), UTG Calls $1.75 (Rem. Stack: $29.11), BTN Calls $1.75 (Rem. Stack: $22.28), SB Calls $1.75 (Rem. Stack: $19.21)

Turn ($12.80): J 9 8 J
SB Checks, HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Checks

River ($12.80): J 9 8 J 2
SB Checks, HERO Bets $6.32 (Rem. Stack: $23.56), UTG Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds



Yeah I agree. Just reached out to a coach (GilZ89), hopefully will learn a lot about exploits/tendencies. Probably will schedule some coaching with Brokenstars before I try and move to 50z and 100/200nl reg tables.

Last couple days (excluding $110 in RB)

Realizing most of these nits don't bluff near enough, so trying to fold more and overbet turn a ton

Is this too nitty though? Feels like turn/river is going to be brutal to navigate and I'm just drawing dead 80% of the time.


Facing shoves holding a draw always makes my brain explode:
VPIP PFR are off because it's zoom, any idea what I should multiply by?
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 10% | PFR: 8.6% | AGG: 30.1% | Hands: 3012]
CO ($17.61) [VPIP: 8.6% | PFR: 3.6% | AGG: 13.3% | Flop Agg: 10% | Turn Agg: 30% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 363]
BTN ($80.27) [VPIP: 9.6% | PFR: 8.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 26.7% | Turn Agg: 68.4% | 3Bet: 7.6% | 4Bet: 5.9% | Cold Call: 4.2% | Hands: 2311]
HERO ($25)
BB ($25) [VPIP: 14.5% | PFR: 13.9% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 281]
UTG ($8.44) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 12% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: Q K

UTG Calls $0.25, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.50, BTN Calls $0.50, HERO Raises To $2.50, BB Folds, UTG Folds, CO Calls $2, BTN Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.89 effective]
Flop ($8): 3 J T
HERO Checks, CO Bets $4.90 (Rem. Stack: $10.21), BTN Folds, HERO Calls $4.90 (Rem. Stack: $17.60)

Turn ($17.80): 3 J T 4
HERO Checks, CO Bets $10.21 (allin), HERO Folds

Study plan is to find more flop x/r and delayed overbets.

more azz takes on 2+2

bruh 3b A5s in bb why? I don't even look at spoiler I know you lost that hand bruh. Maybe squeeze it once in awhile but thats it. A5s nothin special bruh. Can 4b bluff once in awhile against them aggrotards thats it. Ya u need coaching but make sure they grind daily bruh with a profit at stakes you play or you throwin money down the drain homie. You won dat hand but losin call. Pre flop to post flop all bad bruh

Pre is good, pure 3b in my charts and probably better in reality with this guy being so wide. I might flat vs a light 4bettor but even then I should 5b bluff (I usually fold).

Not sure why I said it's hard to jam river here against me when I cbet flop small, check turn, then go for a small size. Seems easy to do with air which villain has a lot of after turn check and river brick. Might still be under-bluffed but I'm 100% sure people aren't shoving thin enough and probably not slow playing turn enough. The nitty river checkback/calls I've seen are insane.

Checked solver and everything is okay even the Qs9s bluff jam (good for them). He should've folded flop though ofc. I've been trying to check OOP more on flop to keep ranges wider, weak Ax would be good as a call down in that line.

The more I think about this hand the more confused I get whether call is good vs an average 25z player. I remember feeling really confident in game.

Played maybe 250 hands of reg tables on global, $+125 but mostly from a guy open shoving 100bb into me 4 times. I got a 33SC free tournament entry for a GPC tournament. Which one should I play considering I know nothing about tourneys? Would prefer a decent chance of cashing, some of them appear to be huge fields with only 1st getting anything, maybe that's since nobody registered yet.

Played some HU when fast fold pool was dead, really laughable how bad 6max micro regs are at it. 100% my favorite format, born in the wrong generation I guess.

Fast fold results since last update (+$125 RB), seems swingier than it should be. Obviously doesn't matter but I think at 200z losing $1500+ in an hour would get to me.


Biggest 2 pots, I won 1 of these (runouts didn't change anything)



Fun hands



Wouldn't really do much different in any of the hands. Curious what people think.

What I'm trying to do more of is going into sessions with the goal of playing well and implementing what I studied, and thinking of what I'd do in spots with different hands than I have. The latter isn't for balance, but to prevent some cognitive dissonance like thinking I shouldn't overbet river with value (they'll fold too much) but then not overbet bluffing the same spot (they'll station me)

Todays results, first time I've felt tilted in a while, just getting owned every hand:


In this right now:

No bink today

Played some 50nl on Global today, up $120 but it didn't seem soft, lot of GTO sized 3b and 4b and didn't see any dumb showdowns.

+$105 in zoom

Did a little railing, the legend himself is back. Almost makes me want to switch to the great game of pot limit Omaha.


If tomorrow (today) goes decently will have a 1k month, solid for playing a game online so I'll be more than happy if November is similar.

Played some more 50nl on Global, went well. The HU reg I played for a bit felt more skilled than me.

Lost a couple buyins on Ignition, pretty much busto there. Think I'll transfer a good amount there and try and play a lot for November.

Redlined the nits on ACR blitz a bit but playing there sometimes feels like a GTO trainer.

Putting in 80% of your stack pre and folding. I get that fish don't understand equity to call but usually they 5bet good hands?
SB ($18.72) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 24]
HERO ($25.37)

Dealt to Hero: Q Q

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.62, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $2.11, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $5.02, SB Raises To $15.31, HERO Raises To $25.37 (allin), SB Folds

November starting slow even with sunrun but feel like I'm playing well

50nl on global going the same recently

Still feel optimistic about the rest of November, 1k month maybe doable

Haven't reviewed any hands so I have 481 in the queue for today.

Is flop just an easy fold?


Likely exploitatively taking this line with anything that doesn't beat AT. Feels like he doesn't have a lot of Qx and very little flushes so I'd prefer to unblock diamonds while I'm guessing GTO wants to hold one. River I think OB is good we're uncapped and 2h changes nothing, should go a bit bigger 110% is just weird.

Chiming in since I just realized I hadn't made a comment on your thread yet! Looks like you're not running so hot, but hopefully it'll pick up soon! I'm grateful to have had a good run at 5NL and actually a solid start to 10NL. Glad I took yours and the others' suggestions to get on up to 10NL

h1 is absolutely not a fold otf. Can even exploitatively x/r wide if you think he leads low pp at any freq.

h2 betting at frequencies >> equilibrium ott/otr vs. missed cbet is good

Thanks and congrats on the recent success, not surprised at all.

Today was pretty swingy probably down $150 at one point and now up.

Interesting shot take at 100nl for ~50 hands. Fish opens to 20bb on CO I shove BB 100bb with AQs, get called by J8o and hold. Guy wasn't playing like a maniac guess he decided to donate.

2nd time getting stacked by a royal flush at 50nl past few days. Interesting RNG.

Thank you!! Wow that is a surprising 100NL hand and nice to know that there are still plenty of fish up there. Too bad for the 50NL luck, but I'm sure it all works out in your favor eventually

Yeah definitely I'm sure 200NL is decent too with live 1/2 players showing up. I do notice some top 2knl regs playing 200nl though and almost never at 100nl.

You're right about the last part. Just finished my personal $100 to $1000 international zoom pool challenge. Took 36 days and ~75k hands. Did take running over EV and the help of a very special player who makes up 20% of my profit.

Yesterday night I accidentally sat down at a 100nl table and as I'm about to leave I see a guy open shove 100bb. Another guy sits down and also open shoves 100bb after a few hands. Play for maybe 4 hours with both of them. Get it in with AA>JJ and hold for for +150bb but that's about it. Unfortunately the "fun players" weren't playing horrendously post and weren't shoving garbage. One goes on a heater and the other rebuys 100bb an impressive amount of times with none of it going to me.

Found a 50nl table partly through and the guy to my left is shoving garbage and cold calling 4bets with almost anything. He was snap calling with any equity post and people kept trying to bluff him while not calling his shoves light preflop even after he shows Q8o. These players have an uncanny ability to backdoor the nuts so I get value owned a few times. Between those 2 tables I just about paid for my 7 BIs loss at 25z.

Zooming not going well recently it does feel like they don't bluff (besides the fish), I don't know if that's a form of tilt given I'm supposed to usually lose bluff catching or just true. I'm gonna lean towards the latter and try and find more tight folds vs shitregs.

13 BI in the shitter at 25z this week (no Ignition), I'm sure I'm not losing at 16bb/100 but if I was crushing this would be pretty unlikely

Some hands:

Seems sketchy maybe he shows up with Jx a lot though


Villain is a 10nl "reg" with a furry PFP. They snap jammed river.


When you want the fish to put you on AK


I like that I managed to turn a pair into a bluff & with no flush blocker but the sizing seems bad maybe some inner risk avoidance

h1 QQ: since villain is short and cc, flop + turn board/cards both kinda bad, if betting flop go slightly larger so you can jam turns. 1/2 turn I don't think makes much sense at 1.1 spr and coordinated board when OOP. Either jam yourself or x.

h2 JJ: I'd just raise flop vs. donk with JJ, hand is vulnerable, villain is fish, and can still get value. AP would have probably raised turn again if I called flop.

h3: whatever, overbluffed line by you so if IP player here its good to call wide.

h4: I think bluff is good, and sizing isn't necessarily bad. Can bifurcate your river bets to < pot and > pot. You have some 2ps that want to vbet so doing both sizings with bluffs makes sense to me. Might be slight overbluff in theory if doing this with all your 98s/97s/87s + some 6x hands, but I think thats good for this spot after skip turn cb and high ev riv.