Eliminate Tilt
02-21-2011
, 04:41 AM
02-21-2011
, 04:31 PM
haha, I think im gonna stay away from prop bets for a little while, but might do some later on tho 
I agree that its impossible to eliminate tilt completly, everybody tilts, some do it alot (me), others rarely ever do it, but still do from time to time, but every1 does it, no matter how little or how much they do it.
I never used a stop-loss, and I kinda dont like the idea of it tbh, HUSNGs have a ton of variance and sometimes u can lose 6+ buyins very quickly just from the variance alone. So if I used a stop loss of about 6 buyins or whatever for the day, and if I lost 6 buyins, I would have to quit for the day. To me that seems kinda dumb cuz some days I will lose 6 in a row in an hour right from the start of the session while playing my A game, so then I'd have to wait til 2mrw to play.
I dont like a DAILY stop-loss, but I'm in favor of a single SESSION stop-loss, so if I set it at 4 buyins, I can stop, take a break and go do something else for a while and come back and be ready to grind it out. Wish I had done this earlier, it would have prevented me from losing over 20 buyins (graph in OP) in a very short period of time.
yea, I understand this part. I know I'm gonna keep winning in the long run if I keep improving and working on my game. I just need to understand how to not let short term results affect me, thats the real challenge.
this is somthin im working on, i keep telling myself "why do I tilt", "it's pointless", "just dont do it", "just dont do it", "just dont do it". hopefully one day it will click and Ill just not ****ing do it!
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clearly you are a good player...but trying to "eliminate" tilt is like trying to "eliminate" stress from your life. You can't do it, because it's a response mechanism that is imbued in your DNA.
For most of human history, the stress response served as a way to cope with physical threats, which was a primary concern for humanity pre modern civilization. Increased adrenaline, increased blood flow, higher brain functions turned off...great for running from a hungry saber toothed tiger, not so great for dealing with running bad in poker.
The stress system exists in a part of your brain that doesn't understand logic or reasoning (lymbic system, I think?), so it can't differentiate physical threats from non physical threats. When your KK runs into AA preflop your bank roll is threatened, and to the part of your brain that generates stress it could just as easily be a hungry saber toothed tiger.
The big take home I've realized is that simply reasoning to yourself that despite losing a hand you made the right play...doesn't work to eliminate tilt. Tilt comes from a place in your body that doesn't understand that logic. It just takes time to wear off...much like it takes time to wear off getting rattled from getting in a fight or running from a criminal (something like that).
Tilt management is key...not trying to "eliminate" something that cannot be eliminated. Here are some things I've done to manage tilt which I feel work:
-Stop losses. Have a specific stop loss plan. Mine is something like if I lose 2 BI I take an hour break or so...and if I lose two more I'm done for the day. I really struggled with this at first because, like you, I have trouble stopping when I tilt. My gut reaction is to grind it out and try to win it back. It does feel good knowing that when I play, the MOST I can possibly lose is 2 BI in a session, and 4 BI in a day. The worst feeling during a downswing is the sickening feeling that comes with knowing you can keep spiraling down and not know when it's gonna end. Doing whatever you can to avoid this feeling is +ev.
-have a post stop loss routine. I set up a very specific routine for my stop losses that I follow religiously...the act of doing a mindless routine after a loss is really calming. Something like brew cup of tea and watch an episode of a funny TV show.
-realize that tilt is your friend. As I move up in stakes...it's becoming obvious that people have a generally solid grasp on making solid logical plays, so the edge there is much smaller. However, since no one can get rid of tilt... exploiting it in others while concurrently allowing others to exploit your tilt as little as possible is a huge +ev edge. Embracing it as part of the game is pretty liberating.
my 2c...coming from someone who's biggest struggle BY FAR coming out of the micros was managing tilt.
For most of human history, the stress response served as a way to cope with physical threats, which was a primary concern for humanity pre modern civilization. Increased adrenaline, increased blood flow, higher brain functions turned off...great for running from a hungry saber toothed tiger, not so great for dealing with running bad in poker.
The stress system exists in a part of your brain that doesn't understand logic or reasoning (lymbic system, I think?), so it can't differentiate physical threats from non physical threats. When your KK runs into AA preflop your bank roll is threatened, and to the part of your brain that generates stress it could just as easily be a hungry saber toothed tiger.
The big take home I've realized is that simply reasoning to yourself that despite losing a hand you made the right play...doesn't work to eliminate tilt. Tilt comes from a place in your body that doesn't understand that logic. It just takes time to wear off...much like it takes time to wear off getting rattled from getting in a fight or running from a criminal (something like that).
Tilt management is key...not trying to "eliminate" something that cannot be eliminated. Here are some things I've done to manage tilt which I feel work:
-Stop losses. Have a specific stop loss plan. Mine is something like if I lose 2 BI I take an hour break or so...and if I lose two more I'm done for the day. I really struggled with this at first because, like you, I have trouble stopping when I tilt. My gut reaction is to grind it out and try to win it back. It does feel good knowing that when I play, the MOST I can possibly lose is 2 BI in a session, and 4 BI in a day. The worst feeling during a downswing is the sickening feeling that comes with knowing you can keep spiraling down and not know when it's gonna end. Doing whatever you can to avoid this feeling is +ev.
-have a post stop loss routine. I set up a very specific routine for my stop losses that I follow religiously...the act of doing a mindless routine after a loss is really calming. Something like brew cup of tea and watch an episode of a funny TV show.
-realize that tilt is your friend. As I move up in stakes...it's becoming obvious that people have a generally solid grasp on making solid logical plays, so the edge there is much smaller. However, since no one can get rid of tilt... exploiting it in others while concurrently allowing others to exploit your tilt as little as possible is a huge +ev edge. Embracing it as part of the game is pretty liberating.
my 2c...coming from someone who's biggest struggle BY FAR coming out of the micros was managing tilt.
I never used a stop-loss, and I kinda dont like the idea of it tbh, HUSNGs have a ton of variance and sometimes u can lose 6+ buyins very quickly just from the variance alone. So if I used a stop loss of about 6 buyins or whatever for the day, and if I lost 6 buyins, I would have to quit for the day. To me that seems kinda dumb cuz some days I will lose 6 in a row in an hour right from the start of the session while playing my A game, so then I'd have to wait til 2mrw to play.
I dont like a DAILY stop-loss, but I'm in favor of a single SESSION stop-loss, so if I set it at 4 buyins, I can stop, take a break and go do something else for a while and come back and be ready to grind it out. Wish I had done this earlier, it would have prevented me from losing over 20 buyins (graph in OP) in a very short period of time.
02-21-2011
, 06:19 PM
