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05-13-2020 , 04:10 AM
moar on max scamming bank promos??
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05-13-2020 , 02:17 PM
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moar on max scamming bank promos??
Well, in Canada pretty much all major and minor banks are offering ~$300 to open new accounts and do a few bill payments/PADs. They require a few thousand to avoid bank fees and pay out after 2-3 months. I have done several of these and I'm doing a few right now.

Also, savings accounts bonus interest rates are around 2.7-3%, can get for 3-6months; then move to the next one.

It's fairly easy with decent returns.

US options are probably even better, given its a more competitive market. Harder to do remotely, though.
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06-07-2020 , 10:01 PM
Water

I've been researching water. This planet and most the living entities in it are composed mostly of water. Seems like it could be an important topic. From my understanding, many mainstream perspectives on water are incorrect, and incomplete. It's shocking how little we understand about water.

There is one guy that has some ideas I can get behind. He was known as the water wizard-- Viktor Schauberger. He was around in the 20th century. A ~4th generation forester/logger from Austria. He was commissioned to build a flying saucer with water for Hitler during WW2 and ended up creating something that uncontrollably took off, burst through the roof of a barn and landed hundreds of feet away.

This guy didn't spend much time in the world of academia. Nature was his teacher. He learned from spending several years in forests observing nature. He uncovered many unconventional views on the workings of water. He implemented practical applications that astonished society's top water engineers. Today, his ideas and concepts are not understood or embraced in practice. A scientist ahead of his time.. like Bose.

Gerrald Pollack is another man I've been studying. He's got a good talk about water on youtube. He explains the fourth phase of water and has been studying that topic in depth for years. Worth checking out.

The jist is that temperature and charge are massive factors when it comes to the workings of water, and they are barely considered in modern industry, or personal health.

I've been experimenting with water in regards to my personal health. I've been starting my days with a large glass of water with Hydrogen tablets. Every 2-3 days I walk up to a nearby mountain spring and load up a few containers with water. I've been keeping them cold.

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Land

The land search is discouraging. It feels like I'm searching for a girlfriend in a bar. The whole approach seems flawed. I may see another spot ~45minutes from town, being sold by elderly people. I'm not excited about it. I'm banking on meeting someone that has land in a community that I would serve well, and making a home.

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Human doing? Human being?

I've been doing lots of stuff. Less than my "doing" days of poker, but still doing tons. Building projects, gardening projects, yard/landscaping work, reading/writing. I'm learning and making monies and such, although something is still lacking. The moments of love and connection are few and far between. I'm lonely.

Human being is challenging, human doing is comfortable.

I dont have many friends in this new community. I'm often alone. There is a lack of human connection. I've felt lonely while being surrounded by people, although its more likely to happen while alone.

My living situation is pretty good. It could be worse. I am surrounded by human do-ers. Do-ers even more anxious than me-- so it doesn't help my case. I knew that coming in. I'm a bit like water when it comes to the environment. A friend has described me as a chameleon. I generally keep busy, caffeinated, and over-eat to deal with being with uncomfortable emotions present in the common spaces.

It feels sort of depressing to write this stuff. It isn't quite complaining, but somewhere between depressing explanations and complaining. Meh. I'm not quite sure why I'm writing in here instead of my journal. Perhaps some of you can relate or otherwise benefit from my learnings.

Living with an open heart is hard. It's much easier to be numb. Being present with emotions and experiences as they come can be really hard, even in placid times.

The mind is so powerful and misunderstood. It's like we're strapped into a super-fast vehicle, and we have almost no control over speed or direction. A few of us are driving around in a fog with minimal control of this vehicle. Most of us are driving around without any sense of being strapped into a high-powered, rampaging vehicle. It's as if all senses are highly impaired. The ignorance is so ubiquitous that it's accepted as healthy to rampage around if you are "do-ing" in a culturally acceptable manner.

Ignorance is bliss is an interesting concept. My take is that ignorance produces more suffering, but it tends to be unconscious suffering, and that may be better than conscious suffering. Maybe it's best for some to keep heads down and grind it out until cancer comes. Maybe some of us need a few thousand more rounds of ignorance-style fear-suffering and transiting through death in an untimely, uncontrolled way. Not everyone is ready to wake up. I do know that once you've figured out the dream, dreaming is forever changed.

Okay. That's enough anger-driven spewing for now. Clearly I need a hug.
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06-07-2020 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
Living with an open heart is hard. It's much easier to be numb. Being present with emotions and experiences as they come can be really hard, even in placid times.

The mind is so powerful and misunderstood. It's like we're strapped into a super-fast vehicle, and we have almost no control over speed or direction. A few of us are driving around in a fog with minimal control of this vehicle. Most of us are driving around without any sense of being strapped into a high-powered, rampaging vehicle. It's as if all senses are highly impaired. The ignorance is so ubiquitous that it's accepted as healthy to rampage around if you are "do-ing" in a culturally acceptable manner.
Thanks for the post. The quoted segment in particular struck me, especially the bolded. As human beings coming from millennia upon millennia of a hunter-gatherer past, we were adapted for a world much different than the one that you, me, or anyone reading this was born into. While reading your post I couldn't help but recall some recent thoughts that I've had about how technology's growth has far outpaced our ability to keep up with it. I could write a lot more about this, but for now I'll write simply that I feel like the world we're inhabiting is particularly pernicious for maintaining a healthy mind. There is so much pressure now to be constantly plugged in, with our attention often hijacked, making it require a very deliberate effort to direct one's own mind; I feel fortunate to have known what life was like prior to everyone owning a personal computer (and now of course a smartphone). As the bolded implies, it's gotten to the point where being in this frenzied state is taken for granted, and any alternative probably hasn't even been considered by the youngest generation.

Fascinating stuff about water, now I want to research Schauberger further out of curiosity.

More importantly, virtual hug sent.

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06-08-2020 , 09:47 AM
I always enjoy these posts. You're a very interesting cat, TMK. Thanks for all these years of giving us stuff to think about that we never would have considered otherwise.
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06-09-2020 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
Thanks for the post. The quoted segment in particular struck me, especially the bolded. As human beings coming from millennia upon millennia of a hunter-gatherer past, we were adapted for a world much different than the one that you, me, or anyone reading this was born into. While reading your post I couldn't help but recall some recent thoughts that I've had about how technology's growth has far outpaced our ability to keep up with it. I could write a lot more about this, but for now I'll write simply that I feel like the world we're inhabiting is particularly pernicious for maintaining a healthy mind. There is so much pressure now to be constantly plugged in, with our attention often hijacked, making it require a very deliberate effort to direct one's own mind; I feel fortunate to have known what life was like prior to everyone owning a personal computer (and now of course a smartphone). As the bolded implies, it's gotten to the point where being in this frenzied state is taken for granted, and any alternative probably hasn't even been considered by the youngest generation.

Fascinating stuff about water, now I want to research Schauberger further out of curiosity.

More importantly, virtual hug sent.
Thanks for the response, and virtual hug!

I'd like to read more of your thoughts on the above subject, so feel free to write on here or link me to your writings.

Ancient yogis foresaw the centuries we are in now to be a dark period for human consciousness, and it would seem to be the case.

Being ones that have seen maya for what it is, even with that knowledge, integration in the world seems challenging. Embodying beacons of truth in a world of such illusion is no easy task.

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I always enjoy these posts. You're a very interesting cat, TMK. Thanks for all these years of giving us stuff to think about that we never would have considered otherwise.
Thanks machi

I'm glad to be able to have that influence on here. I think that these topics are important. There is a resonance in doing such for me. As though introducing and guiding people through these things(I like to think of them as windows into reality) is my lifes work. So, its good to hear such feedback
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06-21-2020 , 06:12 PM
Health:

Went to see a naturalpath doctor about some gut issues ive been having for ~2 years. Spent 3 hours consulting with him and we have figured out that I very likely have a form of SIBO. I got it after doing a course of antibiotics to kill a parasite(which failed).
The antibiotics weakened my microbiome enough for some nasty bacteria to set up shop, which is labelled as SIBO.

Symptoms ramped up last week and I decided to start water fasting.

As an experiment, I water fasted only using the natural mountain spring water near to my house.

I went into the water fast impulsively, after lunch, with no preparation. Had lots of caffeine that day and a dairy-heavy breakfast.

I fasted for 4.5 days. It was my 5th water fast of 4.5days or longer.
-no caffeine withdrawals
-highest energy levels and activity level of 5day+ water fast.
-Lowest amount of sleep. 2 mid-day naps, and slightly increased nighttime sleep.
-Moderate heartburn(Bacterial die-off) with this fast, while I didn't have this in other water fasts with the same SIBO condition.
-Resting heart-rate highest of any fast. 65-72, which is my non-caffeinated normal. (Previous water fasts I've been in the 47-55 range after day2).

I have to say, the water definitely makes a difference.
The mountain spring water has a similar feel to water with freshly dissolved hydrogen tablets. I'd recommend checking out Tyler LeBaron for information on Hydrogen water.

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Manhood

This was a topic surrounding my visit to see a Canadian aboriginal naturopath/MD/black belt. In Native cultures in Canada, 28-32 is the time one moves from Adolscencent to Manhood. According to the zodiac, its ~when "Saturn returns" which is regarded as a dynamic, transitional period.

It seems that this appears to be what is happening in my life, at exactly this time. Transitioning out of poker since about ~28, and now nearly 32. I'm settling to begin a new chapter from a different set of values and perspectives.

I've still got a couple boyish "Dragons" to content to, although I feel as though I've almost broken through this transformative internal stage.

This theme of manhood and archetypes came up during my water fast. I found the book "Warrior, King, Magicain, Lover" and videos from Charles Eisenstein to be good sources of information.

I've decided to start eating meat. Meat as Medicine. I'l be breaking my vegetarian diet of 3years+ this week with grass-fed/finished organic cow liver. I'll be supplementing my diet with collagen, bone broth, and organ meats.

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Getting nerdy with the nature of consciousness with "Stalking the wild pendulum", lucid dreaming, and using a rattle.

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Poker

I've actually been playing with the idea of spending a month playing poker this year, probably around Nov/Dec in Southern USA. It would be interesting to see how poker is with my new perspective on life. I think a month gives me enough time to experience it again, yet to stay centered. It's an idea at this point, would require lack of other awesome options around that time.

Does anyone have any recommendations for live PLO500-1k? I was considering Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, and San Diego as options. New Orleans, somewhere in Mid-west might be a spot too, no? I'm a bit out of touch with what's going on these days. It would be cool to find a gym/poker buddy if I do end up spending a month playing pokers.
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06-21-2020 , 06:30 PM
well, I'm a PLO noob and feel I can crush the vegas PLO games including 2/5/(10rock). If covid resurges and closes **** down there is WSOP.com. + we can do some backpacking, rock climbing, skiing, etc. Vegas is surprisingly rad.

"The mind is so powerful and misunderstood. It's like we're strapped into a super-fast vehicle, and we have almost no control over speed or direction. A few of us are driving around in a fog with minimal control of this vehicle. Most of us are driving around without any sense of being strapped into a high-powered, rampaging vehicle. It's as if all senses are highly impaired. The ignorance is so ubiquitous that it's accepted as healthy to rampage around if you are "do-ing" in a culturally acceptable manner."

I've heard this expressed many times before, but I love the concept and like the way you put it. Tyler RSD - The Blueprint has a bunch on this, amazing the philosophy you can learn>integrate from picking up girls.

Still looking for land in Nelson BC, correct? Count me as one of your first visitors, it has legendary status for backcountry skiing and chill vibes
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07-26-2020 , 10:19 PM
Couldn't help but think of your post from early May when I learned about the Gorges Dam flooding in China. Looks like China is experiencing its worst flooding in decades and it will continue to get worse.

Have you checked out Down to Earth on Netflix? A lot of it will probably be old hat for you, but I have been finding it pretty encouraging to learn more about all of the forward-thinking actions being taken around the world to confront the many global crises currently happening.

Would love an update when you find the time.
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07-27-2020 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by OolongKing
well, I'm a PLO noob and feel I can crush the vegas PLO games including 2/5/(10rock). If covid resurges and closes **** down there is WSOP.com. + we can do some backpacking, rock climbing, skiing, etc. Vegas is surprisingly rad.

"The mind is so powerful and misunderstood. It's like we're strapped into a super-fast vehicle, and we have almost no control over speed or direction. A few of us are driving around in a fog with minimal control of this vehicle. Most of us are driving around without any sense of being strapped into a high-powered, rampaging vehicle. It's as if all senses are highly impaired. The ignorance is so ubiquitous that it's accepted as healthy to rampage around if you are "do-ing" in a culturally acceptable manner."

I've heard this expressed many times before, but I love the concept and like the way you put it. Tyler RSD - The Blueprint has a bunch on this, amazing the philosophy you can learn>integrate from picking up girls.

Still looking for land in Nelson BC, correct? Count me as one of your first visitors, it has legendary status for backcountry skiing and chill vibes
Vegas would be an option too, although it seems this covid mentality is subsiding much slower than I anticipated. I'm fairly certain I'll end up spending the winter in Nelson, BC.

The land search here is moving slow. There are options way out of my price range and require multiple people to go in on it. This isn't an option unless I've done previous projects and overcome obstacles with a potential partner(s).

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Couldn't help but think of your post from early May when I learned about the Gorges Dam flooding in China. Looks like China is experiencing its worst flooding in decades and it will continue to get worse.

Have you checked out Down to Earth on Netflix? A lot of it will probably be old hat for you, but I have been finding it pretty encouraging to learn more about all of the forward-thinking actions being taken around the world to confront the many global crises currently happening.

Would love an update when you find the time.
The China floods are news to me. It does seem pretty heavy there. It doesn't seem as cataclysmic or global as I saw. I suppose there is still plenty of time left in most hurricane seasons this year..

I haven't seen Down to Earth on Netflix, although it sounds uplifting and I'd like to see it. I watched "Planet of the humans" a couple weeks ago. This one was depressing and showed the destructive nature of the "renewable" energy sector.

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Lots of possible material for an update, energy has been moving in my life.
I'm still in Nelson, British Colombia, and its an absolutely beautiful time of year.

Yoga/Health

I've deepened my yoga practice, in a different way. I've been working more with alignment and exploration lately. I've found some pretty startling holding patterns and mis-alignments. One is quite large, and some are slight. They have an influence on the energy-body, which in turn influences creation in this life.

I've been going to a studio a few times a week, doing a few personal sessions, and digesting Ray Longs books about alignment. Great illustrations and explanations. I've found mixing in weed/mushrooms gives perspective.

I've been experimenting using bineral beats with concentration practice(I use tibetain breath-counting, and holding awareness at the heart center).

Meditation quality is high. Lots of stillness and a calm mind at various periods over the last weeks. This is unusual, given the circumstances. Normally consciousness is strongly correlated with my surrounding environment. Perhaps I'm becoming more rooted in this regard.

Meditation seems to come sporadically, often following an asana practice, and also at "active" times. A couple days ago, I noticed my mind very still for an hour while cutting firewood. Being in the garden also brings a stillness.

Me of a few years ago aspired for the quality of mind I have now. That said, I don't seem to feel pride. It's gratitude. How interesting.

Life events/news

I'm moving out of a house in a small hip city and into a trailer on a communal farm that uses geo-solar, grows microgreens, and has emotional intelligence workshops. That move is in a couple days.

I have a flight to visit family in Ontario planned for early Sept. I booked it a few weeks ago suspecting the fear-demic would calm down. It appears my parents are still highly afraid/conscious of COVID and closed minded to narratives opposing the mainstream perspective. This is an environment ripe for emotional turmoil and I'm considering cancelling the flight.

I'm probably going to spend the Winter in Nelson. I'm unsure what I'll be doing, but it seems like Nelson is part of my future community and thats priority at the moment.

I attended an ecstatic dance a couple weeks ago. I had an amazing time. I forgot how enjoyable social events can be. I'd guess a .1-3% of contracting covid at this venue. I'm completely comfortable with this. Personally, I'd trade a 5-10% probability of contracting covid for being able to party/dance. In my opinion, its a reasonable risk to enjoy life.

I also attended a mens circle. First time. It had a unique flavor. It met my expectations and also threw some curve-balls. Plenty of good interactions and connections.

Love

This is an active topic in my life. Prioritizing love in my interactions.

I have to stay, I sometimes struggle to express love with adults. There are some situations in my life where I'm triggered by people and I can't seem to get over the obstacles. Clearly, I do lots of Shadow work. That said, I'm quite tuned into the "Shadow world", one could say. I see aspects of others which they don't want to see, and feel the need to express it.

There is another big boundary to sharing love with adults. It's this "proving" myself worthy dynamic. It's coming from some insecure/self-identified place, often triggered when asked "What do you do?". I'm frustrated by this being the default conversation opener. "How are you doing?" or "How are you feeling?" or even "momento morti" seem far superior.

Its interesting how personal identifications tend to create divison. As Rumi put it: “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

The whole love relational aspect with adults(mostly 20-50yr olds) is creating quite a bit of loneliness/seperation. I think this is the cultural norm in these times, albiet most are unconscious. There is certainly a longing for union that is being unmet, on many levels, of which I am aware. Foremost, I'd like to feel met and understood at certain depths of experience. This tends to be a challenging need to fulfil. I suppose that's part of the motivation for wrting this update.

I think this is a big part of my "work" for the coming weeks..

Love flows easily with animals, nature and children. It's fluid. I have gratitude for these connections. To be able to experience this love is a blessing.

SIBO stuff

The SIBO issue is a symptom of a deep issue. I've sort of known this all along. The symptoms are presenting in the same spaces as emotional holding patterns. Sure, some types of foods aggravate symptoms, and some supplements aid. Yet, it runs deeper. I've noticed that how I eat the foods can matter more than what food is eaten.

Once Chi starts moving, the symptoms subside. They come back when I go back to my old ways.

It's a process of re-training the nervous system and overcoming trauma. Its challenging work, as looking into these patterns can trigger mistake tilt and can sometimes make things worse. I'm learning to have compassion for myself.

Voodoo adventures

I'm not sure if I've shared my dreams with the bear on here. I have had a few dreams, often with an injured bear or bears going ape-**** wild. I didn't have any strong theories on what this meant until recently.

For me, the bear seems related to deep subconscious realms and to personal power. The injured leg aspect is part of a series of dreams related to a structural imbalance which I didn't "get" until recently. The dream with winding blue snakes and bi-pedal blue emperor were also signaling these things to my conscious mind.

Recently, I had a dream where I was in the body of a deer, having an experience as a deer. This is very uncommon for me and an interesting experience that I'm still processing.

'm really enjoying the ~third of my life that I spend dreaming. If the dreaming stuff is of interest I will re-recommend Robert Waggoner for deepening dreaming practice.

I've been experimenting with melatonin and had some pretty enjoyable experiences. I'm wondering what high-dose experiences would do..

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Dive into the shadows, bring down the boundaries, and live in love my friends!

Signing off for some mildy-caffeinated yoga on the backyard platform~~~
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07-27-2020 , 12:22 PM
Interesting. Maybe you’re the one who’s insecure. Asking what you do is the perfect conversation starter. What you do impacts your community. It’s what you ultimately leave behind when you die. It’s a good question to gauge a person. Someone who contributes to society is obviously much better than someone who simply exists for their personal pursuits.
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07-27-2020 , 02:34 PM
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Interesting. Maybe you’re the one who’s insecure. Asking what you do is the perfect conversation starter. What you do impacts your community. It’s what you ultimately leave behind when you die. It’s a good question to gauge a person. Someone who contributes to society is obviously much better than someone who simply exists for their personal pursuits.
In regards to insecurity, I was referring to my own insecurity regarding "having a career" or "culturally acceptable" role. I think this was pretty clearly stated. I can understand how it was misinperpreted, as it is quite unusual for one to express personal insecurities. Personal insecurities are often not expressed, and even more commonly unconscious.

Maybe I can explain more of what I mean. People thought I was a cool cat when I told them I travelled the world playing/teaching poker. I was respected as "doing something awesome". That said, I was selfishly pursuing my own interests and leeching from society. What I do now is actually far better for the community, although it is not socially recognized as such-- this is where the frustration comes from..

I completely disagree that ones "doings" are the ultimate leave behind when one dies. On the deathbed, most people claim its the love/joy experienced, the relationships, and experiences shared with others that matters. It's not the productivity/GDP contributions/projects etc.

I'm also operating under the belief that healing ones self and raising ones vibration is the greatest gift to the world. This is a stark constrast to the mainstream belief system.

edit: I re-read my posts and realize that they could have used a more thorough edit. Lots of generalizations and space for misinterpretation.

-When I say "people don't want to see shadow aspects" I refer to most people, not all. Some people are keenly interested in defining the borders of the shadow, such as myself, it just happens to be a minority.

-In regards to people being unconscious, I mean they are unconscious to the dynamic of identification with ego influencing the experience of love.

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07-27-2020 , 03:18 PM
Society is being stress tested. The environment is crumbling. We need problem solvers. We need all hands on deck. You’ve chosen to spend your time max scam banks, take drugs and practice yoga. You can’t expect people to give you a big hug and say it’s all good.

Corona is raging. People are dying. Survivors have permanent organ damage. You chose to accept the risk of contracting corona. Do you also accept the responsibility of passing it to someone who could die? Where is the sense of community and humanity.

You sound extremely selfish and self absorbed. In your case, what has drugs and meditation actually done for society around you instead of your selfish pursuits of feeling energy and interpreting deer dreams?
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07-27-2020 , 06:06 PM
If you're going to spend the winter there, it's a no brainer to buy alpine touring ski gear, take an avalanche course and get out into the mountains. The initial cost of AT gear is high, ~$2.5k, maybe chop that in half for used gear which I would recommend. But it's a 5yr+ purchase and you'll never have to buy a lift ticket again.

I've investigated buying a house in the canadian rockies, particularly Golden BC and Canmore. But there are enough obstacles for US citizens that it seems better for me to simply search idaho/montana/wyoming/colorado
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07-27-2020 , 07:41 PM
I love it. So now tmckendry is selfish and contributes nothing to society. He's just some bum who wastes his days meditating and doing yoga and drugs. Welcome to 2020.
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07-27-2020 , 08:04 PM
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I love it. So now tmckendry is selfish and contributes nothing to society. He's just some bum who wastes his days meditating and doing yoga and drugs. Welcome to 2020.
I didn’t call him a bum. But look: In his 30’s. Moves around a lot. No job. No permanent home. Ignores social distancing to party. Writes a lot about yoga and regularly consumes psychedelics. Has trouble connecting with adults. What does that look like to you?
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07-27-2020 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Draw2pat
Society is being stress tested. The environment is crumbling. We need problem solvers. We need all hands on deck. You’ve chosen to spend your time max scam banks, take drugs and practice yoga. You can’t expect people to give you a big hug and say it’s all good.

Corona is raging. People are dying. Survivors have permanent organ damage. You chose to accept the risk of contracting corona. Do you also accept the responsibility of passing it to someone who could die? Where is the sense of community and humanity.

You sound extremely selfish and self absorbed. In your case, what has drugs and meditation actually done for society around you instead of your selfish pursuits of feeling energy and interpreting deer dreams?
Sigh, it seems you didn't address your reading comprehension fail and barely addressed what you were commenting on and what I replied.. Instead, you have chosen to move on to accusations and challenges.

I'm not sure if its worth responding to this, but I will anyways.

In regards to Corona, I believe that the costs of a prolonged lockdown outweigh the benefits, by a large margin.

There are measurable costs, and immeasurable costs(or semi-measurable perhaps).

One of the larger measurable costs are incured by the hundreds of millions of people that pay for their food and water on a day-to-day basis by working. Starvation deaths are going to sky rocket from ~2-5M to much higher numbers. That doesn't include dirty-water related deaths or the general suffering of starvation from the majority, who will survive with compressed lifespans(similar to corona survivors with organ problems). However, those that will die from starvation are mostly children with a healthspan of decades ahead of them. They are not the chronically ill elders with low healthspan/lifespan.

There are many more costs that I'm aware exist, and probably even more that I'm unaware of.. I'd estimate the starvation-related costs rivals all the benefits of a prolonged lockdown(saved elders+forgone suffering from corona symptoms+health benefits for mother earth+"vacation time" given to workers).

I estimate that the starvation/water-related costs make up a minority of the total measurable costs. To explain: I believe the large(st) measurable cost of the lockdown is comparble to the sum total of benefits(measurable+immeasurable) of the lockdown. I also believe the largest cost makes up a minority of the measurable costs, and doesn't even take into consideration immeasurable costs. In other words; I think the cost of lockdown is far higher than the benefits of lockdown.

Current estimates of mortality rates puts corona somewhere around 2x that of the common cold. Yes, that is what I'm aware of, Zach Bush has claimed this on a podcast. This is based off current mortality rates, not the initial rates, which were 10x+ greater than what they are now. The media doesn't seem interested in updating the numbers, and governments dont seem interested in re-adjusting policies-- hmm I wonder why?

Maybe it has to do with fear? Fear sells. It's very hard to measure the cost of wide-spread fear, although I believe it takes a massive toll. I do realize most people to not consider widespread fear to be a cost at all. I think some actually like it. Yet, I disagree and think that living in fear=suffering, and that fear leads to horrible decision making, leading to more suffering. What is the cost of billions of people living in fear? I dont know, but I think its worth consdering. There are other "negative" emotions such as depression, which are pretty unfortunate and lead to suffering. Anger/Aggression leading to emotional/physical abuse, etc etc. /corona rant

Oh yeah, and of course I realize that if I contract Corona I risk speading it to the people I interact with, and the people they interact with etc.. Same goes for the common cold, or being around people with dengue and mosquitos.

I'm not going to bother addressing the personal accusations with much deliberation (the corona thing took longer to write up than I expected). I will say that I carry around a photo of Ramana Maharshi (hes a yogi). He's been coming around with me in my backpack for a couple years. He's one of my favorite teachers. He didn't talk much as he deems it an ineffective teaching tool. However he has been quoted to say:
"Your own self-realization is the greatest gift you can render the world."
The shadow work, practicing of yoga(with/without substances), plant dietas, dreaming, meditation, endless hours of reading/learning from teachers etc etc are in service to self-realization.
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07-28-2020 , 05:50 PM
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Sigh, it seems you didn't address your reading comprehension fail and barely addressed what you were commenting on and what I replied.. Instead, you have chosen to move on to accusations and challenges.

I'm not sure if its worth responding to this, but I will anyways.

In regards to Corona, I believe that the costs of a prolonged lockdown outweigh the benefits, by a large margin.

There are measurable costs, and immeasurable costs(or semi-measurable perhaps).

One of the larger measurable costs are incured by the hundreds of millions of people that pay for their food and water on a day-to-day basis by working. Starvation deaths are going to sky rocket from ~2-5M to much higher numbers. That doesn't include dirty-water related deaths or the general suffering of starvation from the majority, who will survive with compressed lifespans(similar to corona survivors with organ problems). However, those that will die from starvation are mostly children with a healthspan of decades ahead of them. They are not the chronically ill elders with low healthspan/lifespan.

There are many more costs that I'm aware exist, and probably even more that I'm unaware of.. I'd estimate the starvation-related costs rivals all the benefits of a prolonged lockdown(saved elders+forgone suffering from corona symptoms+health benefits for mother earth+"vacation time" given to workers).

I estimate that the starvation/water-related costs make up a minority of the total measurable costs. To explain: I believe the large(st) measurable cost of the lockdown is comparble to the sum total of benefits(measurable+immeasurable) of the lockdown. I also believe the largest cost makes up a minority of the measurable costs, and doesn't even take into consideration immeasurable costs. In other words; I think the cost of lockdown is far higher than the benefits of lockdown.

Current estimates of mortality rates puts corona somewhere around 2x that of the common cold. Yes, that is what I'm aware of, Zach Bush has claimed this on a podcast. This is based off current mortality rates, not the initial rates, which were 10x+ greater than what they are now. The media doesn't seem interested in updating the numbers, and governments dont seem interested in re-adjusting policies-- hmm I wonder why?

Maybe it has to do with fear? Fear sells. It's very hard to measure the cost of wide-spread fear, although I believe it takes a massive toll. I do realize most people to not consider widespread fear to be a cost at all. I think some actually like it. Yet, I disagree and think that living in fear=suffering, and that fear leads to horrible decision making, leading to more suffering. What is the cost of billions of people living in fear? I dont know, but I think its worth consdering. There are other "negative" emotions such as depression, which are pretty unfortunate and lead to suffering. Anger/Aggression leading to emotional/physical abuse, etc etc. /corona rant

Oh yeah, and of course I realize that if I contract Corona I risk speading it to the people I interact with, and the people they interact with etc.. Same goes for the common cold, or being around people with dengue and mosquitos.

I'm not going to bother addressing the personal accusations with much deliberation (the corona thing took longer to write up than I expected). I will say that I carry around a photo of Ramana Maharshi (hes a yogi). He's been coming around with me in my backpack for a couple years. He's one of my favorite teachers. He didn't talk much as he deems it an ineffective teaching tool. However he has been quoted to say:
"Your own self-realization is the greatest gift you can render the world."
The shadow work, practicing of yoga(with/without substances), plant dietas, dreaming, meditation, endless hours of reading/learning from teachers etc etc are in service to self-realization.
Corona: I want facts and numbers and a doctor who hasn’t been called a quack to back your pov. Beliefs don’t matter when it comes to science. The top scientists from literally all over the world recommend staying inside and practicing social distancing. They say it’s dangerous. They’re the experts, they’ve dedicated their lives. Many have paid with their lives over this pandemic. And you’re alluding to a global conspiracy. Wow.

You go out and party with strangers and in the same breath talk about suffering. Tell us, how does partying solve anything? What are doing to ease people’s suffering? Because all I’ve read in these pages is you taking drugs and doing whatever the hell you want, community, society be damned.

Accusations: I’m not accusing you of anything. Didn’t even insult you or use an offensive name. I read the last couple pages and what I said 1 post back is a boiled down summary of your current situation.

I remember back in my college days. I was a “dirtbag” every summer. I remember guys who did that for years and years. Eating out of dumpsters and scavenging road kill. Totally off grid, in tune with energy and nature. They were also the preachy I’ve ever met. Preaching about how bad humanity and consumerism and blah blah blah is. They bitched about society but didnt the have balls to dive in and make a change. They’d rather eat trash and climb rocks and talk about how in tune they are. Please don’t be one of those people. You see problems, you see suffering now go out and change it.
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07-28-2020 , 06:49 PM
Right, professionals that I've been following in regards to covid. I've been following most of them for a long time, so I trust them, its not like they are some random doctors that I dont know anything about:
doctors=Zach Bush, Sayer Ji, Joseph Mercola
not doctors, and super human beings=Paul Chek, Charles Eisenstein,

I think the only one that hasn't been accused of quackary is Zach Bush. He's the one most steeped in western science and would recommend for you and other to listen to his podcast on Wellness force a few weeks ago (I've listened to it 4 times!).

Sayer Ji had a website that provided information about medicine, although he had his website destroyed by platforms(mailchimp, web hosting etc) that were funding CDC/WHO.

Joseph Mercola was a very popular health and wellness website that was threatening claims by google-funded pharama, so he got blacklisted by google/youtube for awhile. I think google de-blacklisted him and many others because the knowledge of the blacklisting was starting to cause integrity issues which were a long-term profitability threat.

I dont know if Charles Eisenstein has been accused of quarkery, although I suspect he probably has. He's a little less known than the other guys. I dont think he is a doctor, only a low-grade genius.

Paul Chek certainly is big enough to be on the quack list. This guys massive hollistic health operation must be threatening enough to pharma/corporations to have been quacked.

When it comes to trusting people, doctors or otherwise, follow the money-- not the masses.

As far as partying, I dont know what you mean by solve. I mean, I had breakfast this morning-- did it solve anything? No. Yet, it helps me operate in the world. There are universal needs for connection, love, friendship just as there are for food. I can't say it directly solves anything for me to go to a party. Maybe I meet someone who I end up starting a business saving the world. Seems reasonably likely.

I write about quite a bit more than taking drugs and doing whatever the hell I want(?). If this is all you see when you read, that speaks to your perception, not my writings.

As far as accusations, I am referring to this: "You sound extremely selfish and self absorbed." I mean, it seems pretty hard not to interpret this as an accusation, no?

I'm all about relieving the world of suffering. My strategy to do so may seem unusual, the general premise is that one needs to be fit for service. So I prioritize self-healing and self-discovery.

As Abraham Lincoln said;

"Give me six hours to cut down a tree and I will spend four hours sharpening the axe."

If one is serving with a dull axe its not effective...

In regards to your history and such, yeah Ive dumpster dived and lived with those types and no, its not my crowd and I'm not one of those people. Idealism only goes so far.
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07-28-2020 , 07:11 PM
Draw2pat, I'd like to thank you for being a challenging voice on some of the things I've written about. I have a tendency to express my beliefs as truths, and this probably triggers others. I'm sure there are readers with a similar sentiment to you. In this case your challenges have led to explaining myself better, referencing information, and more understanding..
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07-28-2020 , 11:24 PM
Corona: You said Zach Bush. I googled him. Quack is on the first page. A few countries contained Corona through quarantine and social distancing. You ignored social distancing. Endangering yourself and the community. To party and dance. That’s selfish and damaging; ”doing whatever the hell you want, community, society be damned” fits.

Axe and suffering: I’ve taken psychedelics 4 times over 25 years. Always an affirmation of empathy, compassion, unity and love. I read more. You’ve taken psychedelics many times. Yet you don’t see the damage done on multiple levels. You posted you have trouble connecting with adults. I don’t know. I have to ask. Do you know how to sharpen an axe? It doesn’t take years of heavy drugs, or isolation or meditation to be a good compassionate human being. Maybe you’re so focused on yourself missing the point of it all and everything around you.
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07-29-2020 , 12:52 AM
If you think that anyone that comes up with a quack allegation on the first page google search should be dismissed than thats your belief. My belief is that google is a profit-driven company that acknowledges using search algos and actively sensors content out of, and into search results. Google has sold advertisments for drugs on the same page as search results for related illnesses. I wonder if there could be a conflict of interest here that may lead to search result manipulation?
Why was the most popular alternative health website blacklisted for years?

I will try and capture the principle of powerful organizations controlling information by using a historic example . Book burning! Our society has a long history of those in power burning(/banning) books! I wonder why they are burning them? Is it because they have all the answers of the universe and want to protect citizens from untrue information? Could it perhaps that the information in the books conflicted with their agenda for control?

Anyways, these are valid questions that I expect will prompt a quick ignoral on your behalf. I hope they are useful to others.

Right, so I suppose you dont seem to understand that I dont see partying and dancing in a local community party in a city that has had 0 covid cases in 5 weeks to be damaging or selfish. You do see this as selfish and damaging. I see this as beneficial for the the community. We are operating under a different set of assumptions. I have a good pulse on the mainstream assumptions, and I've analysed them and done my own research and reflection to develop my own beliefs. You dont have to believe them, although I would suggest to consider alternative perspectives even if google names them quacks.


For psychedelics, thats great that you've had 4 experiences that affirm empathy, compassion, unity and love. Those types of trips are great. They serve as a good "reminder"- It's so easy to forget! I can assure you there are other sorts of experiences that are possible. Perhaps this is why I have done more than 4 sessions.

I can connect with adults fine. So to speak, I can talk about the weather, and what I'm doing in my life, about family and such. What I mean when I say I struggle to connect is that I'm longing for something deeper. I want to talk about lucid dreaming. I want to discuss the properties of water. I want to talk about sages. I want to talk about Yoga-- maybe I can learn something. Most the adults in my life right now dont have any interest in these things. I've had periods of my life where I've been surrounded by adults that I feel connected to-- this is not one of those times for me.

Sure, I know how to sharpen an axe. I see "heavy drugs", "isolation", meditation, etc as tools to sharpen the axe. I think vast majority of the world is working with extremely dull axes. I bet Lincoln would agree. You dont. Cool.
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07-29-2020 , 12:14 PM
Great last few posts. I didn't have too much time to digest the whole encounter. I'm like yourself in many ways. I've chosen the yoga path more or less and have been following your thread loosely as we share a few hobbies.

Its tough when your exploration of the truth runs into conflict with others. As yogi's we often see a different version of reality than others and its our challenge to realize that while we are experiencing a great awakening that's massive to us, its really just as irrelevant as others experiences. at the end of the day everything will come and go.

I live in a very high functioning fast paced city. most people aren't stopping to notice the space and silence in between what we have been told is life. I think that was evident with the gentleman above.

change comes form within. taking time to truly put the time and effort to explore that is often seen as selfish. I can't speak to you personally but I didn't see any of that in what you were or have been writing over these past few years.

we all have our different paths. i can't speak much to Drew2Pat other than I think he probably has a limited understanding of your experience based on a limited understanding of his experience. seems like he'd like to have a little more control in his own life experience and in his past and he's more than happy to point out to other people how they are going about it wrong. he'd rather separate life into these neat little chapters where you are supposed to do certain things at certain times. they call it the illusion or maya for a reason. its very powerful.


everything aside, i'd love to stick a fork in the side of your neck for eating meat. ahimsa homie
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07-29-2020 , 06:28 PM
Quacks and google: Google is not the internet. Google does not own the internet. Anyone can choose to use whichever search engine and browser suits them. You could even make one if you wanted. That goes for virtually everything on the internet. You keep mentioning agendas and paranoia about things. You know a side effect of heavy drug use is paranoia and detached sense of reality, right?

Corona: Has the local government tested every single person and shut down traffic in and out? Have they blanket tested everyone in your community? Or are they turning away and even outright refusing to test people with symptoms like in other parts of the world?

You: God, karma, energy, aliens, shadows, dimensions could all exist. I don’t know. I honestly don’t care. None of them is solving or will solve any of societies problems and our physical needs. We’re so far away from solving basic needs to worry or focus on shadows and the properties of water. In all likelihood, the more you keep detaching from reality and society, the lower the chances you ever reintegrate and give back to society. And as it stands, you depend on society for survival. You couldn’t survive on your own or use luxuries like the internet without the people you’re narrating in your conspiracy theories. Think about that.
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07-29-2020 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Slingtown
Great last few posts. I didn't have too much time to digest the whole encounter. I'm like yourself in many ways. I've chosen the yoga path more or less and have been following your thread loosely as we share a few hobbies.

Its tough when your exploration of the truth runs into conflict with others. As yogi's we often see a different version of reality than others and its our challenge to realize that while we are experiencing a great awakening that's massive to us, its really just as irrelevant as others experiences. at the end of the day everything will come and go.

I live in a very high functioning fast paced city. most people aren't stopping to notice the space and silence in between what we have been told is life. I think that was evident with the gentleman above.

change comes form within. taking time to truly put the time and effort to explore that is often seen as selfish. I can't speak to you personally but I didn't see any of that in what you were or have been writing over these past few years.

we all have our different paths. i can't speak much to Drew2Pat other than I think he probably has a limited understanding of your experience based on a limited understanding of his experience. seems like he'd like to have a little more control in his own life experience and in his past and he's more than happy to point out to other people how they are going about it wrong. he'd rather separate life into these neat little chapters where you are supposed to do certain things at certain times. they call it the illusion or maya for a reason. its very powerful.


everything aside, i'd love to stick a fork in the side of your neck for eating meat. ahimsa homie
Thanks for the reminder in regards to experiences just happening. It reminds me of anicca, the concept of impermanence. It comes into being and then it is dissolved.

In regards to the draw2pat discussion, thanks for the reaffirmation. I've come to realize that straying from culturally accepted norms seems to provoke some people pretty easily. It's a bit irresponsible that I have invested so much energy responding to what seems to be a closed-mind.

It seems to be a small minority of people who give consideration to multiple perspectives of a controversial issue. Often, there is so little emotional awareness that new perspectives are unconsciously being rejected with an attitude of defensiveness(often routed in fear). This seems to reinforce existing beliefs even more. I have some idealism that perhaps concepts and perspectives will be considered when in many cases they are not.

In regards to ahimsa-- yeah, meat eating def violates ahimsa. :\
The belief is +health > -ahimsa. Thus far, only seen enough benefits in liver, pancreas, and collagen.
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