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02-21-2017 , 12:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonkeyKongMK
Subbed and GL. We've battled a bit on ACR, and I'm still finishing up my challenge at 2NL. GL at 10NL though!
Yes! I've seen you at the tables, you seem pretty solid. Never seem to get a big pot going with you.
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02-22-2017 , 04:35 PM
Quick Update:

I've decided from here on out I'm going to approach my updates on here with a more professional approach. Being bipolar I think it's important for me to be consistent with everything I do. From now on I'll be posting weekly updates on Sundays.

I've also decided to be more aggro with my bankroll(20bi's). I think it's fine as long as I don't tilt and make sure to move down when I have to. Which I've came up with a drop down strat I'm going to follow. If at any point in a session I lose 2 bi's at a stake, I'll drop down a level until I win those 2 bi's back at the previous stake(4* bi's). I know this in some ways might me "slow down", but I'm more worried about overcoming tilt than I am with anything else at this point.

My shot at 10nl last night went pretty well.



Then today it was one of those seemingly random days where my mood or something is off and I go crazy aggro and drop 2-3 bi's at the start of my session. These are the days I end up playing blackjack, being so mad at myself for doing things I know shouldn't have done...putting myself back hours.

Luckily 2 of the bi's were at 5nl because all the 10nl tables were full. I hit my escape key to sit out of the 8 tables I play and let myself cool down for a bit. I'm quite proud to say that. And I'm in the green for the day!





Hands:

#1. What not to do. Volume 1 hand 1.

    WPN, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37649242

    CO: $4.64 (92.8 bb)
    BTN: $3.12 (62.4 bb)
    SB: $5.79 (115.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): $9.02 (180.4 bb)
    UTG: $5 (100 bb)
    MP: $11.08 (221.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 A
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN raises to $3.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.52

    Flop: ($6.26) J 9 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: ($6.26) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($6.26) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $6.26 pot ($0.31 rake)
    Final Board: J 9 3 4 Q
    BTN showed K K and won $5.95 ($2.83 net)
    Hero showed 7 A and lost (-$3.12 net)



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    I wish I could say I 5bet shoved with A7s, then I'd be okay with it. That though... was terrible.


    #2. Not as bad as it looks.

      WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37649246

      BTN: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
      Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
      MP: $8.45 (84.5 bb)
      CO: $10.69 (106.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A 9
      2 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero raises to $10 and is all-in, BTN calls $7.00

      Flop: ($20.10) K 3 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($20.10) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($20.10) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $20.10 pot ($1.00 rake)
      Final Board: K 3 3 2 T
      BTN showed K A and won $19.10 ($9.10 net)
      Hero showed A 9 and lost (-$10.00 net)



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      It was literally my second hand at the table, I wasn't buying that the button on his first steal to my SB was at the top of his range already. At the same time I think a min 5bet with the intention of calling shoves is better. But in general the hand is okay. And listen GTO purists, I decided to put A9s into my 5bet bluff range instead of A5s, get off my freaking back.

      #3 How BIG are yours?

        WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37649248

        Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
        UTG: $12.29 (122.9 bb)
        MP: $10 (100 bb)
        CO: $10 (100 bb)
        BTN: $10.76 (107.6 bb)
        SB: $10.46 (104.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
        UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

        Flop: ($0.65) 7 A 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $0.41, Hero raises to $1.85, MP calls $1.44

        Turn: ($4.35) Q (2 players)
        Hero bets $2.69, MP calls $2.69

        River: ($9.73) T (2 players)
        Hero bets $5.16 and is all-in, MP calls $5.16 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $20.05 pot ($1.00 rake)
        Final Board: 7 A 8 Q T
        Hero showed K J and won $19.05 ($9.05 net)
        MP showed Q A and lost (-$10 net)



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        Balance is extremely important to me and when I flop it I want to increase my likelihood of getting paid off by someone. I do that by making sure I take similar lines with weaker hands. I barrel turns, I shove rivers with air, but I've learned to do so when it makes sense.

        I would only barrel turns on K's, Q's, J's, T's and clubs.

        I'd shove if the river isn't: A, K, Q, 8, or 7.

        Obviously the dream run-out, he had the Qc though so he was getting stacked on clubs too. Unlucky-Lucky turn card, Lucky-Unlucky river card. When you see the hands here it looks like my turn bet was bad, but I'm pretty sure this turn bet overall is printing money... at least in these games.
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        02-22-2017 , 05:39 PM
        Sub'd. I see you grinding man, keep it up and stay away from the BJ tables lol. If you lose a couple wtf hands in a row, just get up and take a break. The games will still be there when you sit back down.
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        02-22-2017 , 06:11 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
        Sub'd. I see you grinding man, keep it up and stay away from the BJ tables lol. If you lose a couple wtf hands in a row, just get up and take a break. The games will still be there when you sit back down.
        It's so easy to say, "Yeah, I'll take a break when I'm losing. That's smart."...but to actually do it?! The struggle is real man, have you had to eat hotdogs on sandwhich bread?? Lol.
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        02-23-2017 , 07:47 AM
        Sure is man, gotta have that discipline. Haven't had a hot dog in a long time but yeah, I have lol.
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        02-24-2017 , 06:35 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by 4bet20x
        have you had to eat hotdogs on sandwhich bread?? Lol.
        Only for almost my whole life. LOL

        Keep up the good fight 4bet! You got this! No more blackjack!
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        02-24-2017 , 08:58 PM
        Coworker was eating a cheese dog on white bread today at lunch and I thought of you lol.
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        02-25-2017 , 04:02 AM
        U need to be able to move up stakes when ur BR is 50+ BIs especially when u have a bipolar issue. Dont go up unless your 25k+ hands and 500$ on 10NL itll help with the downswings trust me man its way better


        apk ~
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        02-25-2017 , 04:42 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by smittos
        Only for almost my whole life. LOL

        Keep up the good fight 4bet! You got this! No more blackjack!
        No... We got this man! We're out here doing it. We'll afford those hotdog buns soon enough.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
        Coworker was eating a cheese dog on white bread today at lunch and I thought of you lol.
        Lol. I've never seen anyone do it in public. I'd be too ashamed.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by adrianpk
        U need to be able to move up stakes when ur BR is 50+ BIs especially when u have a bipolar issue. Dont go up unless your 25k+ hands and 500$ on 10NL itll help with the downswings trust me man its way better

        apk ~
        I've been thinking about how to go about br strat a lot the past couple months. And I agree that at some point, maybe 25NL (if I can get there), that I'll start using the 50 bi rule. I just think for now it makes a bit more sense to be more aggro. I am however moving down whenever I lose 2 bi's so that helps reduce downswings altogether.

        I can only, atm(10nl), lose a max of 34$ in a day. If I lose 2 bi's at 10nl I move down to 5nl until I recoup, if I lose 2 more bi's at 5nl I drop down to 2nl until I recoup the bi's at 5nl. If I lose 2 more bi's at 2nl I'll quit for the day and start back up tomorrow at 2nl. 2 bi's is pretty conservative I think and it should help with my tilt issues.
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        02-25-2017 , 09:52 PM
        Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.99, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.89, Hands: 4,017)
        BB: 189.5 BB (VPIP: 28.59, PFR: 20.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.39, Hands: 1,484)
        UTG: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 28.06, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 146)
        MP: 64.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
        Hero (CO): 102 BB
        BTN: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 71.43, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 7)

        SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

        fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, BTN calls 16 BB

        Flop: (51.5 BB, 2 players) K T 4
        Hero bets 28 BB, BTN raises to 94.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 49 BB and is all-in

        Turn: (205.5 BB, 2 players) 7

        River: (205.5 BB, 2 players) J

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
        (Pre 77%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
        BTN shows 9 8 (Straight, Jack High)
        (Pre 23%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
        BTN wins 195.5 BB

        3 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.



        Yeah, there's still money to be made lol.
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        02-25-2017 , 10:54 PM
        Keep it up mate, doing well.
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        02-26-2017 , 05:37 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by JayShipping
        Keep it up mate, doing well.
        Thanks man, I'm trying.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
        Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.99, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.89, Hands: 4,017)
        BB: 189.5 BB (VPIP: 28.59, PFR: 20.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.39, Hands: 1,484)
        UTG: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 28.06, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 146)
        MP: 64.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
        Hero (CO): 102 BB
        BTN: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 71.43, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 7)

        SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

        fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, BTN calls 16 BB

        Flop: (51.5 BB, 2 players) K T 4
        Hero bets 28 BB, BTN raises to 94.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 49 BB and is all-in

        Turn: (205.5 BB, 2 players) 7

        River: (205.5 BB, 2 players) J

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
        (Pre 77%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
        BTN shows 9 8 (Straight, Jack High)
        (Pre 23%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
        BTN wins 195.5 BB

        3 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.



        Yeah, there's still money to be made lol.
        He didn't even have bd diamonds..maybe a gutshot? Lol. That's gross dude.
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        02-26-2017 , 05:47 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by 4bet20x
        Thanks man, I'm trying.



        He didn't even have bd diamonds..maybe a gutshot? Lol. That's gross dude.
        2NL on WPN is dumb. I got check raised by complete air when I had KK on a dry board and the guy hit runner runner trips. I'm not going to say villain's name but his bluffing frequency on the flop is WAY TOO HIGH.
        ---
        I lied about staying away from MTTs and $69 jackpots. I binked a $69 jackpot and placed 5th in a $55 MTT back to back so I'm rolled for $10/25 NL, but I think I'm a stick with 2 NL for a while because I've been playing like a full ****** lately. Need to relearn fundamentals before I donk off my baby roll.
        ---

        Also good luck with 10 NL. The mental game is half of the battle. I know for me multi-tabling 10+ tables of 6 max puts me on tilt because I start button clicking.
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        02-26-2017 , 06:28 AM
        Weekly Update - 2/26/2017

        I've been taking shots this week at 10nl and it's been ugly. I'm running $65 under EV. It's bizarre to say the least. This is my weekly breakdown:
        1. Play 10nl
        2. Get Ugly spots
        3. Lose money
        4. Drop down
        5. Win it back
        6. Repeat from step 1



        It's been a rollercoaster of emotions and I don't think that's good for me. So I've decided to modify my approach and overhaul my game.

        I know that the goal is usually to move up in stakes as soon as possible but I've been thinking on this a lot and I'm not so certain that's the best line to take, at least not for me. I think what's most important is building a strong foundation, not taking unneeded risks and gradual improvement.

        I know that I want to find out if I can keep progressing up through the stakes but at the same time there are some parts of my game that I'm really unhappy with. I'm not sure that the things I'm doing are that bad, but it doesn't feel "clean", if you know what I mean.

        For example, over 17,000 hands my fold to 3bet stat is 23%. Why is this? Because I think that I play postflop better than everyone else. Which might be insane to even think. I also haven't done any work on creating 3bet defending ranges, I kind of just play poker. In fact, the only ranges I know really well are my opening ranges and my sb vs btn 3betting range. I have a general 3betting range but in regards to how I 3bet from each position vs each other position - that I don't know.

        You can see that my vpip/pfr over these 17k hands is about 30/23. And that's really only because my mood changes so much as do my opening ranges. One day you can find me playing 32/27/10 and the next you'll find me playing 30/20/3.

        I've always been in love with the LAG approach, it just seemed like the best way (against humans) to get paid off often. But I've been doing a lot of reading on OTB's old posts and he said somewhere that he plays an, "Uberstandard 23/19 game." Him being arguably the best 6max player in the world, he might know a little about what he's doing.

        I'm not saying that I'm going to try to emulate him, I'm definitely going to try to be myself and become my own player. I just think that there are a lot of spots that I get myself in that aren't as profitable as I think they are, or profitable at all. Trying to play a 23/19ish game I think will help me out a lot, it should also lower variance a bunch.


        New Goals

        I started out this thread with the intention of reaching my first comma ($1,000), and of course seeing the bankroll grow is important but I think it's more important to become the absolute best version of myself.

        Instead of going balls out to try to grind as quickly as I can to get to the original goal of this thread, I'm going to focus on other goals that will help perfect my game instead of just $$$.

        Goal #1: Play 120,000 hands at 2nl by April 1st, 2017
        I know this sounds just about insane, but I want to work on overhauling my game without much stress. I also want to get into the habit of playing 3-5k hands a day without succumbing to tilt and finding myself at a blackjack table.

        Goal #2: Lower my VPIP in the BB from 35 to between 19 and 15.
        I call way too much from the BB and this is a needed change to my game.

        Goal #3: Study ranges for an hour or so a day.
        LAG is fun and all, but it's probably theoretically a bit too loose and I'm bipolar anyways...why am I playing a high variance style to begin with?


        Here's my measly 17,000 hand graph.



        Goodluck everyone!
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        02-26-2017 , 06:30 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Sil3ntness
        2NL on WPN is dumb. I got check raised by complete air when I had KK on a dry board and the guy hit runner runner trips. I'm not going to say villain's name but his bluffing frequency on the flop is WAY TOO HIGH.
        ---
        I lied about staying away from MTTs and $69 jackpots. I binked a $69 jackpot and placed 5th in a $55 MTT back to back so I'm rolled for $10/25 NL, but I think I'm a stick with 2 NL for a while because I've been playing like a full ****** lately. Need to relearn fundamentals before I donk off my baby roll.
        ---

        Also good luck with 10 NL. The mental game is half of the battle. I know for me multi-tabling 10+ tables of 6 max puts me on tilt because I start button clicking.
        Ahh man, lol, how long ago did that happen? Because I legit did this to someone somewhat recently with like Q3ss, I hit running 3's I think. It was back in January though and I don't have that database anymore. I play on a different SN now though.

        Mind you, I definitely had a bdfd.

        Congrats on the binks though! As for button clicking I used to do that when I played more than 4 tables but I've slowly gotten used to it. 8 seems to be the most ideal for me at the moment but I'm going to try to add more at some point. But I still feel like I'm just clicking buttons too much with 10 tables and yet a lot of the time 8 tables feels a bit slow. It's weird.
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        02-26-2017 , 09:53 AM
        I saw your stats and was wondering if you can sustain a win rate like that for a long period. I.e. 200k hands+. Honestly, if what you're doing is working, keep going. If it's not broke don't try and fix it.

        And I got most of it back from that guy.
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        02-26-2017 , 12:25 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
        I saw your stats and was wondering if you can sustain a win rate like that for a long period. I.e. 200k hands+. Honestly, if what you're doing is working, keep going. If it's not broke don't try and fix it.

        And I got most of it back from that guy.
        Did he make any other suspicious plays? And I really doubt that I can sustain 30bb+/100, maybe... I think I'm definitely capable of 20bb+ though.

        And this is what I've done to my stats over today's session:



        I was super nity utg though today, even folding ATo. Still calling in the BB too much it seems.
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        02-26-2017 , 01:27 PM
        The Streets
        by
        4bet20x
        Episode #1: That Happens

        We all know the guy who's entire career is just the most ridiculous run of runbad that's ever happened. I'm not that guy. But this hand, this hand bros, this is Beautiful Bu1ls**t.

        I flat the J T in the BB vs a MP limp, CO raise and BTN call, MP call. Oh, I have the nuts. 100%. Four way flop with JTs... this is the dream man and I'm living it.

        The result of a uber tiny gnat, maybe a fruit fly, I unintentionally wink at the dealer as she deals the flop.

        K69

        Your sister blows me a kiss while she fans herself with the deck of cards. I remind her to keep them in order.

        As I ponder the possibilities of her getting off soon I think about how I like to play this spot... If I had a bdfd I'd be very likely to donk but without it I just don't have enough turn cards to blast on.

        I check, mp checks, co checks, btn bets third pot. If he would have bet on the larger side I would have folded, but this leaves room to play turns. I raise...again, I'd prefer to have bd spades but at the time I also thought that it looked super strong and that it's hard for anyone to continue without at least KxX. I get two calls.

        Seems like a pretty sick assumption in regards to the results, but maybe I just got lucky and they'd continue weaker?


        Mp folds, co calls, btn calls.

        BINK!

        Q

        Yeah boys, we've done it.

        I have about 100bb behind. There's 68bb in the pot. How to extract the most value!? SHOVE!!! Betting half pot I think is usually better but against people I think that are over calling I'm shoving.

        They both call. Poker is dead. Everyone's solid.

        CO - KJ
        BTN - KJ



        I've got the nuts! Unbeatable nuts, no better hand redraw anywhere. Vegas and the ******* Mirage.

        ......................
        ..................
        .............
        ........
        .....
        ..
        .



        Not with how bad I run.


          WPN, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651067

          UTG: $2.43 (121.5 bb)
          MP: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
          CO: $2 (100 bb)
          BTN: $3.76 (188 bb)
          SB: $2.38 (119 bb)
          Hero (BB): $2.48 (124 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with T J
          UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, SB folds, Hero calls $0.06, MP calls $0.06

          Flop: ($0.33) K 6 9 (4 players)
          Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.34, MP folds, CO calls $0.34, BTN calls $0.24

          Turn: ($1.35) Q (3 players)
          Hero bets $2.06 and is all-in, CO calls $1.58 and is all-in, BTN calls $2.06

          River: ($7.05) T (3 players, 2 are all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $7.05 pot ($0.35 rake)
          Final Board: K 6 9 Q T
          CO showed K J and won $1.91 (-$0.09 net)
          BTN showed K J and won $2.40 (-$0.08 net)
          Hero showed T J and won $2.39 (-$0.09 net)



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          02-26-2017 , 03:31 PM
          Solid 18k graph. Yeah 2NL is pretty sad. SB value owning himself with top 2 on a 4 straight board. I guess I could of raised on the flop or jammed on the turn, but it probably would of been the same result (result oriented thinking).

          Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          Hero (BTN): 243.5 BB
          SB: 183 BB (VPIP: 30.52, PFR: 24.68, 3Bet Preflop: 10.91, Hands: 159)
          BB: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 20.12, PFR: 15.14, 3Bet Preflop: 11.47, Hands: 513)
          CO: 126.5 BB (VPIP: 43.18, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 45)

          Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

          CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB, fold, CO calls 6 BB

          Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) 8 Q K
          SB bets 13.5 BB, CO calls 13.5 BB, Hero calls 13.5 BB

          Turn: (68.5 BB, 3 players) T
          SB bets 43.5 BB, CO calls 43.5 BB, Hero calls 43.5 BB

          River: (199 BB, 3 players) A
          SB bets 117 BB and is all-in, CO calls 60.5 BB and is all-in, fold

          SB shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
          (Pre 72%, Flop 92%, Turn 86%)
          CO shows J K (Straight, Ace High)
          (Pre 28%, Flop 8%, Turn 14%)
          CO wins 304 BB
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          02-26-2017 , 05:29 PM
          Yeah, he paid off my FH otr on a KK849 board otr with 77.

          I'll say it again, if what's working continues to work don't touch it lol. I think I'm running 24/19/9 so far this year and I'm nowhere close to 30BB/100.
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          03-09-2017 , 09:49 AM
          how's it going 4bet? haven't been online for a while but at some point was going to ask why you didn't agree with the people saying bet three streets with top pair? (didn't think of it at the time but it crossed my mind) hope your crushing
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