Hi, so this thread may be temporary, or permanent. Most of my experience has come from 6max cash games (mostly zoom), but with Pokerstars playing around with antes on various zoom stakes, I've decided to switch over to spins for the time being (and maybe longer). Simpler to study, and probably also simpler to come up with a solid strategy to beat the lower levels. And I would think there would be more rec players there. Should be a fun week, and a nice change of pace. And if I find them more profitable, might just stick with them.

After cashing out a bit for life expenses, my starting BR is I think $160-$170. Played a $2 MTT earlier, and will probably throw in an MTT here or there if I have the time for it. But those will just be for a bit of fun. My main focus right now is on spins. Also played 6 of the $0.25 spins earlier, and made $0.25 profit. Will update at the end of the day after I have more of them under my belt lol.

Gonna spend the next little bit studying preflop ranges for various stack sizes, and then get back to playing a few more.

And if anyone has any advice on BRM management for spins, or on various tracker stats and how to interpret them (or what are good/decent/etc.. results), would love to hear from you! Right now, am just playing the $0.25 spins while I spend more time learning. But want to figure out some plan for trying to aggressively move up while not putting my whole BR at risk.

GL. I followed your cash thread, so hope you crush this.

Thank you Claret~N~Blue, not off to the greatest start, but I think I played fairly well considering the limited study I've done so far. I think I ran bad wrt multipliers, as it seemed like 75-80% were 2x. Tiny sample so far though. I'm gonna aim to study for an hour each day. Hopefully my results will improve as the studying picks up steam.

MTTs (just the one):


$0.25 spins:


Still would like to hear opinions on BRM, shot-taking, or anything spins-related. Right now, playing one table at a time, but eventually would like to do more. But definitely enjoying my experience so far.

Good luck. Once you get the absolute basics down I would at least jump to $1s. I don't know how micro spins are really, but I think getting up to at least $5s should be a big priority as the games will still be instant and very soft while having less rake than $2s and below. Right now you're underrolled for $2s though, and I wouldn't suggest shottaking at all without 100ish bi or so minimum.

Why did you not just switch to a new site? There are way better EV options than PS anyway.

Whatever, enjoy the variance.

GL

Hi PokerPhilosopher, interesting to see you´re taking this path (bc I also decided to switch for a while to MTTSNGs for a change of pace and to de-tilt a little bit ).

One thing I´d like to point is that I remember you mentioned, when we were discussing the cash out feature, that bad beats would trigger tilt on you. If bad variance really affects you so bad, I hope you understand that you´re gonna face constant huge problems with those little spinning beasts haha.

BRM really depends on you. I´m watching some of the learning paths vids on MTTs and the guy mentioned that, for someone who needs the money (your case?), 1000x your ABI is the best. Obv you have rake and you need to move up relatively quick, but I can´t think anything less than 200 BIs for spins if you´re still withdrawing money regularly.

I´m playing all MTTSNGs from $0.10 to $1 since yesterday, and if I decide that´s the path I want to follow, gonna stick with them til 1000x ABI then 1000x ABI (not that I plan on constantly taking money out of stars, it´s just that I´m still a nit lol).

Not sure how to properly play spins (no icm right? since winner gets everything), but you might want to start memorizing nash push/fold charts for them and then, and only then, worry about actually thinking anything? That´s what I did yesterday at least for the SNGs. Also keeping a notebook on your lap all the time for quick reference, and then learn the fine tuning you need to do.

Btw, completely agree with what you said on my thread, not knowing whether I´m losing due to variance or if I´m still a loser at 10nl is what really kills me there.

Cheers

Ah yeah I forgot he actually withdraws for liferoll. In that case you definitely want at least 150-200bi before taking shots.

Faz I don't know but I've seen you give some pretty weird advice and take some pretty bad lines. Maybe you're studying wrong or just randomly punting sometimes. Nothing personal, hope you can figure it out.

Thanks guys. Yeah, I've been needing to cashout. I'd prefer not to, but not getting the needed hours at work. Was told hours should go back to normal in July, but just got my next schedule and hours are the same. So, now I'm kinda wondering again whether I have the time to build up a BR in spins, or whether I should stick with cash for now. If the latter, I'd have to rebuild my strategy to include antes whenever I want to move back up past nl5z.

Anyone know what kind of ROIs are kinda average-ish for spins these days (for decent, but not crushing, players) lol? Gotta find out if Spins are doable for me in the current situation, if I do need to continue withdrawing for liferoll. Otherwise, maybe I should be going back to cash. And if variance is that bad, maybe I should hold off on spins until I don't need to withdraw anymore. Or, do both.

Aren't you in Canada, therefore be able to play on bovada? You should have been doing that this whole time from the sound of things

4-5% is certainly a reasonably attainable and not top-level roi at lowstakes spins.

Thanks guys. Not sure about Bovada. Kinda weary about trying a new site right now, cause I hear bad things about the cashout process at some other sites. Which makes me hesitant about switching my money to any site I'm unfamiliar with right now. Because I need to be able to withdraw my money quickly when I need it. At Stars, I can request my withdrawal, and receive it in my bank account the next day.

As for Spins, 4-5% roi kinda worries me a bit. Playing $5 spins (can't remember the exact levels, but assume there are $5s for the example), I'd need at least a $1000k BR (if not more) for 200+ BIs. 5% roi means $0.25 per spin. At 8 spins per hour, that would be $2/hr. If I can get to feeling comfortable 2-tabling, that would be $4/hr. But the time it would even take to build the BR and climb the stakes to get to this level, which still might not even be high enough...

I'm not sure I'm in the position I thought I might be to play spins right now. Was looking forward to playing them for awhile, but my situation might force me back into cash games. So if that's the case, I will put this thread on hold and come back to it at a later time.

If you're 2 tabling spins and not crushing, yes, you shouldn't expect to make >1bi per hr. There aren't many poker games you make 1bi+ per hr at unless you have a crushing wr or are playing a lot of tables.