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Beating 25nl? Beating 25nl?

04-28-2015 , 11:24 PM
I give up at 25nl. Lose $50 like clock work every session. However, in the process of losing $500, I have yet to have a single session where I ended up over two buy ins. My bankrolls currently $350, so I'm going to force myself to drop down. In all honesty, I am unmotivated to grind 10nl. Firstly, because it's nearly where I started off 5 long months ago. Secondly, I was playing 100nl / $50 HUSNGs just over a month ago-- despite being a substantially worse player. Yes, I'm probably not that good and 40k hands isn't a significant sample... Yes, I have only myself to blame for continually exercising incorrect bankroll management... Yes, I have the wrong mindset... Still frustrating. Not gonna play a ton between now and summer, but will try to update occasionally.
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04-28-2015 , 11:30 PM
Just played 600 hands, down $75. No significant mistakes. This was pretty tilting though. Bet sizes should be bigger, but was really trying to keep him in the pot.




    WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36176431

    MP: $29.99 (120 bb)
    CO: $23.87 (95.5 bb)
    BTN: $51.43 (205.7 bb)
    SB: $38.14 (152.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $32.64 (130.6 bb)
    UTG: $24.30 (97.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN raises to $5.75, Hero raises to $9.75, BTN calls $4

    Flop: ($19.60) 3 4 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $41.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.89 and is all-in

    Turn: ($65.38) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($65.38) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $65.38 pot ($3.00 rake)
    Final Board: 3 4 5 K 6
    BTN showed 7 9 and won $62.38 ($29.74 net)
    Hero showed K K and lost (-$32.64 net)



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    Last edited by threekingsriver; 04-28-2015 at 11:43 PM.
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    04-28-2015 , 11:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by threekingsriver
    40k hands
    Really more like 30k tops at 25nl

    Last edited by threekingsriver; 04-29-2015 at 12:03 AM.
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    04-29-2015 , 12:02 AM
    Quote:
    However, in the process of losing $500, I have yet to have a single session where I ended up over two buy ins.
    Except for the first one where I was a total spazz
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    04-29-2015 , 01:35 AM
    So what now?
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    04-29-2015 , 03:12 AM
    Quote:
    So what now?
    I'm sure the correct answer is something along the lines of play fewer tables, drop down in stakes, study more ect.. All of which, though, I'm already doing or have done. So to answer your question, I'm basically going to be playing 500-1000ish hands of 10nl a day. I get out of school in 2 weeks, and I plan on playing a lot of poker during the summer. Outside of hand review though, I'm not too keen on doing any real studying until schools out and I'm playing above 10nl / 25nl-- since I feel like these stakes should be beatable by virtue of simply eliminating mistakes.

    I feel somewhat confident in my game, and am consistently getting a ~6-7 error rate on Snowie 12 tabling (I'm not sure if Snowie is considered a great indication of ability, but I think it's pretty reliable to a certain extent). Maybe I am, but I don't think I'm deluding myself by believing I should be able to beat 25nl. I don't really ever do anything 'wrong' preflop (if each decision is viewed in a vacuum), but my ranges aren't totally balanced or anything either. Postflop I don't know what to do all the time, but mistakes are usually pretty small and few in number.

    Am really looking forward to summer though. I don't have anything going on, so playing 3k hands a day should be pretty reasonable. Also should have a lot of time to study.
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    04-29-2015 , 03:29 AM


    My last attempt at 25nl. I think I'm probably down at least $600 dollars at 25nl in all, over a relatively small sample. Was just looking at a variance simulator, to put in perspective.

    Last edited by threekingsriver; 04-29-2015 at 03:39 AM.
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    04-29-2015 , 04:51 AM
    Yeah 8k hands is literally nothing. Chances are you need to do a bit of work on your game off the table though.
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    05-11-2015 , 07:15 PM
    Finished exams, played 3k hands last night. Ended down $30, but was negative $50 in EV.



      WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36316701

      CO: $31.76 (127 bb)
      BTN: $36.40 (145.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $47.86 (191.4 bb)
      BB: $33.52 (134.1 bb)
      UTG: $27.32 (109.3 bb)
      MP: $68.14 (272.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 5
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BB folds, MP calls $1.25

      Flop: ($3.75) 8 9 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.78, MP calls $1.78

      Turn: ($7.31) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.47, MP calls $3.47

      River: ($14.25) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $9.75, MP calls $9.75

      Spoiler:
      Results: $33.75 pot ($1.68 rake)
      Final Board: 8 9 4 3 A
      Hero showed 7 5 and lost (-$16.75 net)
      MP showed 9 A and won $32.07 ($15.32 net)



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        WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36316711


        Should have checked river / folded to reraise

        CO: $30.32 (121.3 bb)
        BTN: $10 (40 bb)
        Hero (SB): $31.35 (125.4 bb)
        BB: $25.27 (101.1 bb)
        UTG: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
        MP: $61.45 (245.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
        4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($1.50) 9 4 2 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.95, BB calls $0.95

        Turn: ($3.40) 7 (2 players)
        Hero bets $2.15, BB calls $2.15

        River: ($7.70) 6 (2 players)
        Hero bets $3.66, BB raises to $14.64, Hero calls $10.98

        Spoiler:
        Results: $36.98 pot ($1.84 rake)
        Final Board: 9 4 2 7 6
        Hero mucked K K and lost (-$18.49 net)
        BB showed A 2 and won $35.14 ($16.65 net)



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        Last edited by threekingsriver; 05-11-2015 at 07:29 PM.
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        05-11-2015 , 07:21 PM
        can I ever fold pre, if villain is really tight? or if I'm sure he never 4bets queens.





          WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36316721

          BB: $10.25 (41 bb)
          UTG: $27.54 (110.2 bb)
          Hero (MP): $34.67 (138.7 bb)
          CO: $25 (100 bb)
          BTN: $10.84 (43.4 bb)
          SB: $21.25 (85 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
          UTG raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, UTG raises to $6, Hero calls $3.75

          Flop: ($12.35) J 3 6 (2 players)
          UTG bets $21.54 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.54

          Turn: ($55.43) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: ($55.43) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $55.43 pot ($2.77 rake)
          Final Board: J 3 6 Q 9
          UTG showed A A and won $52.66 ($25.12 net)
          Hero showed K K and lost (-$27.54 net)



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          05-27-2015 , 06:54 PM
          Check? Raise bigger pre?

            WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36549081

            BB: $27.20 (108.8 bb)
            UTG: $46.51 (186 bb)
            MP: $25 (100 bb)
            Hero (CO): $37.56 (150.2 bb)
            BTN: $27.92 (111.7 bb)
            SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
            2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN raises to $2.75, SB folds, BB calls $2.50, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $3.25, BB calls $3.25

            Flop: ($18.10) T 4 K (3 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $8.60, 2 folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $18.10 pot ($0.90 rake)
            Final Board: T 4 K
            BB mucked and lost (-$6 net)
            Hero mucked K K and won $17.20 ($11.20 net)
            BTN mucked and lost (-$6 net)



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            Beating 25nl? Quote
            05-27-2015 , 11:20 PM
            Wp
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            05-28-2015 , 01:37 PM
            I'd raise to $9 or $10 pre, esp after BB cold calls. As played, well done.
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            05-28-2015 , 02:31 PM
            Yeah that is really small 4b after a 3b and call.
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            05-30-2015 , 04:48 AM
            also I wouldn't 4b more than $7 since u can't have a bluffing range when u stick $9-10 in
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