Villain has $705 left. I do that all the time. I've even gotten some folds on the river where villain just flats turn lol.

on boss media, you don t have to show your cards with that size on the turn and a check on the river...

1st of all coopah, still muchos respect.

About the quote. What the f#ck is all the hype about with the redline of coopah. It doesnt matter how the freakin line goes, its only about the winrate. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE BOTH LINES GO UP (I think even coopah doesnt realise that, looking at his posts in the beginning of this thread).

Its very very easy to have a redline going up. Just size your vbets really bad(too big), villains fold. You win with the nuts. Redline up. And bluf a bunch with the best hand in spots where you clearly have the best hand.IN THE END IT DOESNT MATTER HOW THE LINES GO, its only a style difference.

Coopah is prolly bluffing with the best hand a lot and vbet sizing pretty terrible in some spots. But like i said before, if it works for him and the winrates are good(which they clearly are), it all good and it doenst matter. But pls stop with the non showdown adoration. It doesnt make any sense.


Coopah wish you all the best and GL.

Of course it's possible for all lines to go up. But the green one is most important, wouldn't really worry about the other stuff (except AIEV maybe )

Lol. True. I ment really go up, as in coopah's redline, and then having a blue line next to it, at the same kind of level. That impossible .

Not at all. Just not very common.

Graphs or it didnt happen (same ammount of hands or more).

Coopah played 65k hands, made about $1/hand. Assume he played 5/10 mostly that turns out to be a winrate of 10bb/100, about 20% of his winnings came from showdown. So we have to find someone that runs at least +16bb/100 over 65k hands at 5/10, you got any examples of people that run +16bb/100 at these stakes over these samples (let's ignore the red/blue line contest for now).

You realise the red and blue line are "connected" right? Lol.

Obv I meant lowering the redline and increasing the blue line so that they are on the same level... (duh)

8 BB+ at 5/10+ is pretty hard to accomplish, but over only 65k hands, I'm sure we can find a few.

Yeah duh, thats not what MVB meant, he couldnt explain it in more detail and still come up with your dumb comment: "not at all, not just very common". Mr Wise Ass, makes me wonder, are all pro's such ignorant pricks?

Thought process:

Won’t go in to that much detail as there are quite a few hands to talk about and if I did the same extensive talking about thought processes like I have done in the past I’d be typing all day. So here I 3bet 3handed with suited connectors (kind of). Good for balancing range and disguising hands. Can’t just always 3bet the nuts. So get a call – ideally I’d like to have more than 100bb to give me more room to bluff/flop well and get paid/try some fancy line – basically give me more bluffing options – but yeah whatever we got called and see flop of KK3 with 2 diamonds. Standard continuation bet, I expect to see a fold a lot of the time here. The only hands he’s calling with are K (obv he could raise that here), a flush draw (again he could raise), pocket pairs, and what I believe to be the majority of his calls – floats. So he called, and as I think he’s floating me the majority of the time I figured betting the turn would still give me a lot of folds. You may ask, what hands is he calling with on the flop and not on the turn (especially as the diamond came) but as I say I just think he’s floating me. He called though, so I was a bit worried. I mean, big chance he could have K now. Smaller chance but still likely now that he could have turned a flush. However, my read of him floating me was still the one I was going with. And I came to the conclusion he floated me on the flop with a hand like AdJx and hit the flush draw on the turn (hence the call) and so lead to me shoving all in on the river. He could have a hand like 8d8x which may give in to a third barrel also but I think it’s more likely him having the ace of diamonds with another non diamond high card.

Thought processes:

Dealt KQcc a hand definitely good enough to raise four handed with. BB who 3bets a lot, makes it 100 out of the BB, so I call with position. Could be argued if BB is 3betting out of position their hand range is very strong, hence consisting of AQ+ I could be dominated so if hit one of my cards to make a pair, could be drawing to 3 outs. So was hoping more so to hit the flop hard like make a flush draw or straight draw (or flop them ) but that is a bit too optimistic. So to the flop, he bets 100 into 205 on a rainbow 647 flop. This flop has hit him maybe 10% of the time (the 10% of the time he 3bets low suited connectors out of position from the BB – rare). So I planned to float this. I have a back door flush draw which if another club came on the turn I could shove over if he bet the turn. If a 3 5 or 8 came there would be a massive straight combo on the board which I could use to take him off his hand. On the turn, he bet 190 into 405. Again, a size which is less than half the pot. I think he’s mainly making this bet on the turn just to take me off all my floats. Anything like 910suited and above I should fold here really. I still for some reason just thought he was at it, so I called and was just hoping he would check the river so I could make the bet I was planning to. I could raise the turn but could be left drawing dead if he has KK/AA/hit the flop well, or just 6 outs if he has 88-JJ. Was pretty sure it was a high card bluff though, and as I think he isn’t strong enough to make a 3rd barrel bluff against me then I called the turn, he checked the river, which was a complete blank so not the best card to bluff with but yeah I ‘value bet’ with a bet of 435 (not all in). He snap folded. A hand which will have increased the red line. If he shoved on the river then obv my red line would have gone down but I think in the main taking lines like this will see an increase in redline in the long run, against the right opponent. If someone often fires 3 barrels then I wouldn’t float the turn I’d either fold or raise on the flop. Not plan to float him…


Thought process:

This hand was against the same opponent in the last hand (and happened after) Therefore, given the current table dynamic – my thoughts were that he didn’t know what I had in the hand where I double floated him, but I figured that would be a reason why I wouldn’t check raise bluff all in a couple of hands later. I’d be less likely to do it again with a bluff, as he’d be more likely to look me up lighter, so thought he thought this is a spot where I wouldn’t bluff. Despite it saying I was the BTN, I was actually in the SB. So 3bet out of position, he called in the CO (in actual fact it he was on the button). Saw rainbow flop of 945. I bet 90 into 150, and to be honest I expect to be floated on quite of times on this board vs this type of player who has position on me. So I could just check fold the turn but I would be too exploitable if I did that every time. I could bet the turn with 2overs and a gutshot straight draw. But then I would hate it if he raised me, and I’d have to fold. Again, as I thought he was floating me, I elected to check to him. If he checked back then I’d figure he had SD value. A hand like 9x (that wouldn’t want to get check raised on), 5x or maybe 66/77. By him betting this kinda backed up my thoughts with him floating the flop. Obviously he could have a made hand like flopping a set or 67 getting there. Chances of this compared to him floating are slim (vs this opponent especially). Again it is just 170 into 330 he bet, a half pot bet - it just looks like a float on the flop trying to take it down cheap on the turn – to me anyway. He could have picked up a draw like JT which floated the flop, JQ for gutshot etc or majority of the time just floated me with two higher overs which I’d get him to fold. If he bet a hand like A9 (which I don’t think he would do, for pot control, fear of getting crai on etc) and called my shove then I’d still have 10 outs so around 22% chance to win… Not the end of the world. But yeah, given the dynamic I thought he thought I wouldn’t go two hands in a row with no showdown bluffing, and the high % of him floating the flop and betting the turn with his float I figured it a good chance he’d fold again. As I said, I still have 22% if he calls with 9x (not J9 or Q9), and 10% if called by a made hand. Another example of redline going up for those who are looking of ways to increase the redline.


Thought process:

Dealt 45 of spades, could 3bet this hand but less likely to as would look more of a squeeze play with already one caller to the pre flop raise. And, if called then be first to act on the flop. Not a great position to be in vs potentially 2-3 other players. I called, BB called and it was 4 players to the flop. The flop came 6s Jh 7s. So I picked up an open ended straight flush draw. There are a number of ways to play this hand. I could bet first to act, don’t mind if I get raised on, and shoved over their raise. I could check, see people bet and just flat call and play it conservatively. I could check with a plan to check raise any bet and then bet the turn and get it in/take them off their hand. In this example the action went check (by me), BB weirdly donk bets 80 into 115. I think this is done with a hand like 89 or Jx. I doubt he’d take this line with 66/77 as I believe check raising the PFR (assuming he bets) will be more +ev as can get it in vs weak J’s especially on this heavily drawing flop. Anyway, once he donk bets, the original raiser raises to 170. Btn folds and now the action is on me. Depending on your playing style and own thoughts, I have seen people fold here, call here, raise here and shove here. On second thoughts, I think a raise to like 435 looks more like a set than a shove. So with that in mind, if I shoved here in the future I could do so with my sets (to make it look like a draw) and then raise to 435 with my 45ss (to possibly take it down right there). A tip in another hand example – say for example u flop a set on Q53 two hearts, with 33. A pfr raises, you could just shove. In the villains mind that would look like 46 or flush draw. Would you do that with a set? No. You’d get value by min/raising a little… So you may find yourself being called by not only Qx but mid pocket pairs and 6x, maybe even ace high. Anyway back to the hand. Obviously the worst hand I could be called by would be 89ss or another flush draw. Even JJ I am still not in that bad shape. Just have to put them on hand ranges. Ask yourself what the guys donk bet means and what the pfr’s raise on the flop means. I think the majority of the time the donk bet is Jx (I’ve never seen him bet a flush draw, got raised and then raised all in over the top). The raise by the pfr I think can either mean – he has the over pair/AJ , so fold your weak J – even if he didn’t have it. If he did have it then I’m perfectly happy for him to have that hand and get it all in with him. Tbh as long as I wasn’t up against another flush draw I’d be fine with it. In the worst scenario one had JJ and the other 89ss, even then I’d still win 17.5% of the time. If the guy who donk bet the flop ended up folding and the pfr who raised to 180 on the flop had JJ, I’d still win 42% of the time. Most likely scenario is the donk better folds, and pfr calls with QQ+ or AJ. In that scenario I’d win 56% of the time. With other money in the pot then this is definitely +ev. Conclusion, it’s all about whether these two have a flush draw also. If one folded and the other called with A9ss then I’d still win 41.4% of the time. If one had A9ss, one KQss, then I’d actually be a favourite. A9ss would win 40%, KQss 19% and my 45ss 41% of the time. All in all, I decided it was right to get it in and possibly also make them fold.

Thought process:

Briefly, 3bet AA, standard. MP2 is a good player. CO is a whale. Flop top set with drawy board. Thankfully two rags came down which can’t improve villain’s hand range. So I was either beat on the flop or have the best hand. If I was beat on the flop, I figure that I would be raised either on the flop or at least by the turn (so no one with a heart flush draw outdrew KJ). As this wasn’t the case, I was 100% sure I was good on the river. CO had a hand like J9 or hearts, maybe just a hand like QJ/TJ/KQ as he’s that bad. MP2, a good winning player, probably ended up calling me down with AQ or TT. Could argue if I thought he had a set of tens (KJ is out of his range at this point) I could have shoved. But even then, his hand of third set is only a bluff catching type of hand. I probably wouldn’t shove with AQ as I figure him to have TT a high majority, if not all of the time.
Thought process:

Just a case of 3betting and firing all streets. I figure sets to more often than not raise on this flop. Once the turn came I figure him to fold all pairs on the flop (especially with no diamond). He called so at this point I figured him to have a low flush (even then though I think a flush draw could raise on the flop). With the fourth diamond on the river I figured he would possibly fold a low flush as it looks like the turn cbet could have been trying to take the pot down with Ad/Kd and he’d fold flushes like 89dd or whatever. He didn’t fold his Q high, but again he was just bluff catching. I don’t blame him to call with Q high flush tbh.
Thought process:

Bluffing a whale. I don’t advise it. However I decided to 3barrel here as I thought there is a chance he could have a hand like Qx/Jx/10x/9x of diamonds or a hand like K9/K10 which could not believe on the turn but then on the river be like Ok you have the Ace/AK hand, I fold. Same for a hand like 54/64 he didn’t believe me on the flop about having the K, again didn’t believe me about having the A on the turn, but may fold on the river. Little did I know he pealed the flop with A5 an over and a gut shot and hit. If I knew he had the A, which I suppose he floats on the flop a lot of the time, I wouldn’t fire the river. But him being a whale he could literally have any two so I was hoping it wouldn’t be an Ax hand and he’d fold the shove.


Thought process:

3bet AK. Btn was a fish/whale. Make it a fairly large 3bet. 12bb raise. Build the pot quicker with better hands with fish in the pot… Flop 932 hardly ever going to hit their preflop calling range. Got called by the fish. He could have literally anything from 999 to 56o. More likely for him to have a hand like AQ/KQ /maybe even Jx but was a bit on tilt so took the chance he’d fold. Fish are the type of players to call 500 on the flop with a hand like 3x and then fold to a turn bet of 705 which puts them all in. Took the risk of him not having the Jx type of hand and yeah as people have said, didn’t put the 0.01 extra so it would muck my hand without people knowing what I had.

Relax mate.

Lol. I am aware of the fact that if your non-showdownwinnings drop, your showdownwinings can increase.

That's great!

I just read this and thought you thought it was hard, or even impossible, to have both red and blue lines pointing upwards, which isn't really the case Maybe I misunderstood somewhere, anyways, sorry if that came across as douchy.

Interesting hands Coophah, and seems like a solid thought process. Thanks for taking your time and writing all that out. Only hand I'm not sure about is the Q8 one though, don't you think his turn-calling range consists of a ton of hands with a diamond in? The only hands I can think of him folding is like 7x without a diamond, and not sure how many of those are in his range. Only like A7, 76s, 97s, 67s, and maybe a few other random hands. Pherhaps he can have a few PPs, like 88 or even less likely 66 without any diamonds as well, but it's a longshot. And if you really want to bluff there, isn't it better to size it a little bit smaller? Surely hands without a diamond fold anyway, and it's not like you're aiming to fold out any flushes anyawy, right?

+1

Who is this guy?

If you think about it cooper gets no reward by using this thread, and letting 2+2 into his poker lifestyle.

Then he gets idiots like you posting about a comment he made... grow up instead of trolling threads to post negative replys bro. Not cool.

He was talking to iamfromsweden...
Anyway everyone is friends already again lol, only small misunderstanding .

lololol @ DJDanny82. Serious anger issues.


Awesome analysis of the hands Coopah. World class stuff. Very selfless and helpful to a huge number of players I would imagine.

Be honest... how long did it take you to write the Thought Process for those 8 hands? However long it was, thanks heaps mate.

Haha, I dunno about whether it's world class stuff or not mate, but i'm pretty sure what I said is correct and makes sense.

Well, I woke up at 3.30pm (very later for me, slept 11 hours, bed at 4.30am) and started to write pretty much straight away. By the time i'd finished it was 5.20pm, so nearly 2 hours.

It's no problem though, hope it helps alot of aspiring to be, or already, poker players out there. It also allows me to rethink possible reasonings behind plays I made.

hey

i play a lot midstakes and floats are rare imo there, its really tight nitt game.

Can you talk abit about floating cuz there are not many good stuff about it

which hand, villian, pos, stack, dynamik you float ?
why, which plan byond it ? and is there a longterm plan byond it like

if villian catches you he knows you are floating alot and calls you down lightly so you are tighting it up know

regards

Day 75

£102,332 profit.

Just over a fifth of the way there...

On track?

£500,000/365days = £1370 a day X 75 = £102,739.

Just below, an amount so little it's irrelevent.

Floats may seem rare as people who float, do so with the intention of taking the pot down without seeing a showdown.

Which hand? Any hand. Preferably one that has outs or can hit backdoor cards. Although against a very weak player who will bet the flop and check fold the turn it really doesn't matter.

Villain? One that won't 3barrel a lot. One, as I said above, will give up on the turn a lot. A weakish player is the aim. Anyone who you think thinks can't bluff you or they think you have an edge on them so won't get involved in big pots vs you unless they have it.

Position? In the main, be in position. Although you could float out of position if you are wanting to mix it up, but it's harder to be successful choosing this option. You'd have to hope the action went check (the floater) bet call / check check / bet fold.

Stack? 100bb+

Longterm plan? You could just flat sets on the flop and they may think you are floating, so triple barrel bluff you when you have the nuts...

Ultimately I think it makes you harder to play against, opponents will need to bet more than just once to take you off the pot. If they know this, they may not bother, and just check fold the flop to you...

No more graph?

Everyone please sign this: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...c1#thank-you=p

What your saying is when you chose to barrell you should barrell all the way or not barrell at all (with an exception of some value hands for potcontrol obv)
I read that somewhere else as well in this thread I think.

What I see at microstakes is once they call your flop bet, they mostly ain't gonna fold to turn and river. So to make it worse, once they call flop+turn, they sure almost never gonna fold to the river (my experience), so 3 barrelling with air results in being extreme spewy. My strategy is mostly cbet flop 100%, cbetturn/river appr. 30-40% and that seems to work well as so many play fit/fold on the flop and just don't give up once they fit.

You think my thinking is flawed and I should just bet bigger to make them fold (eg: shove river instead of 2/3rd potbet) ?

On the other hand, raising preflop, and check/folding flop seems also very weak to me so I wonder once you raise pre, and you check the flop, you give up? Or will you still try to steal the pot somewhere like floating flop when you have initiative yourself to see if they barrell turn/river and if not take back the initiative yourself.