Your red line can be negative np, but -15bb/100 is too high. You can easily get -10bb/100. You're likely over folding preflop and flops and being a little too passive overall.

You have piosolver right?

Don't fold

when i played lower stakes my redline was always like this.....

solution:

3b more IP
More aggressive from blinds
Play your range more and improve understanding on ranges
Overall more aggressive

more x/f OOP otf as the pfr increases your winrate vs people that float OTF a lot

stop playing against bots.

many factors affect blue/redline and trying to always get redline up is not best decision in all environments, but my guess would be that u are leaking in many spots based on that graph.

tbh i think you are someone who would greatly benefit from coaching.

Nah ½ pot vs bots.

agree with cbet comment. On level 1 you cbet bigger but on higher level optimal sizing is smaller. Depends what your opponent assumes and thinks, also if you can exploitatively go bigger.

No.
I have been grinding PioSolver for a month now.

Doing all of the above except maybe the latter.

Exactly. More fun to play vs legit players.

I have a lot of the game figured out, so the coach would have to be a high level one.
Basically someone who can tell me how to exploit player types, certain situations and get people to make big folds.

I think in the end it comes down to how I play >10bb pots and do I fight back enough in those spots. I reviewed recent HUD stats and they look good.

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Yesterday started excellent, but towards the end I just got hammered. Couldn't win pots and hit few coolers.
1 massive hero call went wrong. 1 overbluff vs nit went wrong. 1 low freq bluff which can only be good exploitatively. Couple of big folds. Otherwise decent session.
I got 4-5 hours of studying to do. Already did ½ of it.


GL all!

It's almost annoying to see your graphs and then hear you say that you think you're at a high level or whatever, it's pretty obvious you do some stuff completely wrong

forgot this.
Try doing that vs the euro site bumhunters :P
Overfolding is the name of the game there.
Had few good other regs who also overfolded big time.
The fish are also more passive on euro sites, SO RARELY do you see them even raise draws it's insane.

Well I'm closer to figuring out what that something is. I did really well in the last graph before the end btw.
Only had 2 small leaks during last HUD check.

Might take a day off for studying today. Feeling exhausted from all the high volume grinding.

Not saying you don't have it figured out, but tbh its pretty hard to evaluate thath kind of stuff without someone else looking at your game (or having worked hundreds of hours with pio). For example a good coach could easily point out like 10 things a player sucks at by just reviewing few sessions. And even if the player would be able to figure it out by himself eventually, the value from coaching comes from saving A LOT of time.



Also the bolded part is one of the biggest misconceptions ppl make. It's not about the size of the pot, but about the size and how often it happens. If u pass an edge preflop or have leak, you pass up so much EV as you can constantly be exploited, same but a bit lesser happens in common flop spots. Then a big pot like 3b river spot or 4b spot that is happening very rarely so they are not that important in the big picture.

the small pots are just as important as the big pots in the grand scheme of things

what's your WWSF at?

Agree 100%.
Although....
Mistakes in big 3-bet and 4-bet pots can be very costly. If you were beaten 90% of the time and call 70bb bet, that's very bad for one's winrate.
My strength earlier in my career was that I analyzed those spots very well.

High vs huuumans.
Lower vs euro site fish.
Low vs bots.

It was quite a revelation that I can have high WWSF after that botfest / nitgrind thingy.


Reviewed yesterdays session and I folded river 4 times in 4bp.
Possibly cbetted too wide 3bp and xf'd many turns.
Interesting to see how this red line thing develops

This is 40 pages. 3 filled already. Lets gogo.

The thing is those spots are pretty rare overall, and when you make a mistake in 70bb pot, its not like ur mistake cost u 70bb, its more like the mistake was worth few bb, big mistake maybe like 5bb, making 10bb mistake in 70bb pot is gonna be hard.

Seems expensive to not take the advise and get some coaching given the stakes and volume you play. You have a really nice opportunity to make some money still and nothing points towards you being able to get beyond b/e ish on your own. Either you are right and just ran into a bottom few % sample lifetime ev bb wise, or every respectful excellent player who ever popped into the threads to poke at the fact that you've fallen behind is either wrong or malicious. What seems more likely? What is it costing you to wrestle with your pride and ego on a yearly basis if they are right and you are wrong?

You're right. I don't have entire gameplan figured out yet.

But.... I was scripting into games with 2 fish and I just couldn't win so something funky was going on. Add those 5% river coolers over and over again.

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I realized one big leak I have.
Money maker spot.

No volume until I have fixed this leak.
Need to study 24/7. Took 15 pages of solver notes today. More tomorrow.

This one fits.

So how much are you making in bb/100 for rakeback?

Why not try the opposite then? Go in full Cindy mode there if people are over-folding like crazy? Especially w your present image, you would most likely get away w it.

I've never played the eurosites though so my advice could be total bs.

Gl figuring out what's wrong w your game

whats your preflop stats?

doubt preflop is relevent except he may be calling 3bets oop too much and/or not 4betting enough

I think the people floating you light OTF aren't likely to be bots, they're either fish that do that all the time, calling OTF and betting turn, or regs exploiting weak cbetting ranges with low double barrel frequencies. If you're not double barreling bluffing enough, villain will be able to call you OTF wide and fold to turn barrels profitably. He can easily call you with any backdoor, bluff you when you check and be fine by folding AQ on KK24r.

there's no shame in 3-betting AK and x/f on 227 vs someone that won't fold a pair, will raise the flop with 78o/88 and make your life a nightmare, specially since you don't know if he is full of BS or if he has 2x all the time. You probably made a ton of money in poker and it seems that it's holding you back. This game changed a ton and there's nothing wrong with going back to some study/pay a cheaper coach to help you figure it out what you're doing wrong. Most expensive coaches are overrated, as someone that studied industrial engineering, the advice I can give you is that you should seek good value with that kind of stuff. I know we all think we're special snowflakes and that we deserve the best of the best, but it's way better to be more humble and choose a more cost-effective solution for the problem.

Also it seems you're not valuebetting thin enough, you say people never fold but at the same time you say it's "too thin" to valuebet. If people are never folding, just bet bet shove in a 3-bet pot with JJ on Q74Q3r where the FD missed for value, man.

It's safe to say that almost no bot out there should use GTO frequencies, they probably can't even use solvers at real time for later streets. Even with those, in a high rake environment those strats aren't optimal, it's way more profitable(and easier to do) to make a computer play a strat that owns fish and loses less vs regs by playing tighter in some spots. Even regs underbluff a ton OTT/OTR on most spots, there's not much incentive to play super stationy. OFC, calling flop to bluff turn is a line that is more common and where tons of regs/fish make a ton of mistakes, but I would be surprised to see a bot calling turn lightly to jam the river as a bluff.

Got decent amount of rakeback incoming and I should win a rake race.
But regardless, might have to book this month as a losing one.

Well yeah crazy strat could work. It's about how long until you get caught. It's easy to overbluff, but hard to value bet very thinly :P
I think with reg table dynamics you lose respect quickly, but people are willing to fold more since fish is the ATM.


Preflop all good. Have seen winning regs play same stats.

@Rapidesh
The bots have to be adjusted for regs and fish. If they ran big bluffs 24/7 they would lose a lot to the fish.
Agree with thin value betting.
You have a lot of good points Rapidesh, but be careful how much you assume your opponent knows and comprehends most of that strategy. Even mid stakes can be a nitfest (if you can get away with it)
The less you get away with, the more edges you have to seek.

Quite depressing. Losing day, thought it was good.
Red line absolute worst, WWSF low. People kept raising and standard line is to fold and not be paranoid.
Have some good hands but don't feel like posting.


Here's some hands for your enjoyment.

h1: bottom SDV

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $705.64 (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 20.94, 3Bet Preflop: 9.73, Hands: 1,872)
Hero (SB): $1,160.23
BB: $636.23 (VPIP: 36.45, PFR: 27.10, 3Bet Preflop: 10.75, Hands: 219)
CO: $362.81 (VPIP: 27.73, PFR: 13.03, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 241)

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has 9 T

fold, BTN raises to $12.20, Hero raises to $50.00, fold, BTN raises to $125.00, Hero calls $75.00

Flop: ($255.00, 2 players) Q 8 A
Hero checks, BTN bets $65.00, Hero calls $65.00

Turn: ($385.00, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($385.00, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $970.23 and is all-in, BTN calls $515.64 and is all-in



h2: same line works against me ofc. big shove & no blocker = fold.
if he doesn't have AQo then I'm screwed.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $714.06
SB: $630.53 (VPIP: 26.79, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 9.98, Hands: 1,084)
BB: $642.43 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: $605.39 (VPIP: 25.44, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 12.20, Hands: 117)

SB posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to $10.00, SB raises to $40.00, fold, Hero raises to $110.00, SB calls $70.00

Flop: ($225.00, 2 players) 7 K 4
SB checks, Hero bets $40.00, SB calls $40.00

Turn: ($305.00, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($305.00, 2 players) 9
SB bets $480.53 and is all-in, fold

SB wins $303.50

h3: very good smart reg. thin value bet to balance out bluffs. this is obviously the nut worst result, AK can x/J.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $1,557.80
SB: $1,754.49 (VPIP: 26.14, PFR: 20.36, 3Bet Preflop: 8.75, Hands: 681)
BB: $756.79 (VPIP: 31.01, PFR: 22.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 161)
UTG: $679.40 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
CO: $516.00 (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 18.83, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 244)

SB posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has A 9

fold, CO raises to $12.50, Hero raises to $40.00, fold, fold, CO raises to $100.00, Hero calls $60.00

Flop: ($207.50, 2 players) 7 A 3
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($207.50, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets $60.00, CO calls $60.00

River: ($327.50, 2 players) 2
CO checks, Hero bets $1,397.80 and is all-in, CO calls $356.00 and is all-in



h4: not unreasonable to think AhXh has to bluff the river since it has no SDV. his BTN open was high over small sample. J9 may wanna go into xc mode.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1,104.46 (VPIP: 35.59, PFR: 26.69, 3Bet Preflop: 9.90, Hands: 242)
SB: $286.49 (VPIP: 27.75, PFR: 14.32, 3Bet Preflop: 2.09, Hands: 462)
Hero (BB): $520.00
CO: $727.04 (VPIP: 26.46, PFR: 20.62, 3Bet Preflop: 10.86, Hands: 1,127)

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has 5 K

fold, BTN raises to $12.50, fold, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($27.50, 2 players) 5 K T
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.97, Hero raises to $50.00, BTN calls $39.03

Turn: ($127.50, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $84.42, Hero calls $84.42

River: ($296.34, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $197.54, Hero calls $197.54



h5: weird cooler spot

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $975.29 (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 52)
SB: $676.32 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 48)
Hero (BB): $965.30
UTG: $345.41 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: $512.60 (VPIP: 26.48, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 9.35, Hands: 1,357)
CO: $641.70 (VPIP: 24.62, PFR: 18.90, 3Bet Preflop: 9.34, Hands: 2,202)

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has T 7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $12.50, fold, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($27.50, 2 players) K A T
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($42.50, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets $65.00, Hero calls $65.00

River: ($172.50, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $225.00, Hero calls $225.00



h6: thought that I could peel the turn since his bet sizing makes no sense and call down. if you have the Jx, you want me to fold right? also set up bad SPR for river shove.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $500.00 (VPIP: 29.86, PFR: 18.06, 3Bet Preflop: 1.56, Hands: 145)
Hero (SB): $660.65
BB: $522.50 (VPIP: 24.68, PFR: 19.48, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 155)
UTG: $513.65 (VPIP: 25.51, PFR: 15.68, 3Bet Preflop: 12.26, Hands: 1,421)
MP: $600.62 (VPIP: 22.48, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 10.16, Hands: 536)
CO: $500.00 (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 18.96, 3Bet Preflop: 9.56, Hands: 2,340)

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $45.00, fold, BTN calls $35.00

Flop: ($95.00, 2 players) 8 J 3
Hero bets $50.00, BTN calls $50.00

Turn: ($195.00, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $115.23, Hero calls $115.23

River: ($425.46, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets $289.77 and is all-in, fold

BTN wins $422.46

h7: Random fish. think overpair is more likely than going busto with a draw since they are so passive during some hours. fish hate 4-betting as well....

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $500.00 (VPIP: 26.99, PFR: 21.22, 3Bet Preflop: 9.81, Hands: 659)
Hero (SB): $1,148.36
BB: $798.95 (VPIP: 46.24, PFR: 31.21, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 183)
CO: $354.83 (VPIP: 26.26, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 100)

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has T T

CO raises to $15.00, fold, Hero raises to $45.00, fold, CO calls $30.00

Flop: ($95.00, 2 players) 7 6 6
Hero bets $55.00, CO calls $55.00

Turn: ($205.00, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, CO bets $203.50, fold

CO wins $203.50

h8: random fish p2. from my experience people don't bluff paired boards all the way since "I can have Ax and Kx". nice if I induced 3 street bluff.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $443.92 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 105)
SB: $1,379.66 (VPIP: 29.44, PFR: 22.91, 3Bet Preflop: 13.24, Hands: 2,632)
Hero (BB): $572.00
UTG: $786.91 (VPIP: 30.75, PFR: 24.28, 3Bet Preflop: 11.16, Hands: 1,108)
MP: $225.17 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 23.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.20, Hands: 373)
CO: $695.83 (VPIP: 25.39, PFR: 20.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.74, Hands: 1,315)

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has A J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $10.00, fold, Hero raises to $45.00, BTN calls $35.00

Flop: ($92.50, 2 players) K K A
Hero bets $20.00, BTN raises to $50.00, Hero calls $30.00

Turn: ($192.50, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $40.00, Hero calls $40.00

River: ($272.50, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $100.00, fold

BTN wins $269.50

h9: spots like these all day. What the **** is that bet sizing ?

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $527.97 (VPIP: 27.95, PFR: 20.20, 3Bet Preflop: 9.76, Hands: 302)
SB: $500.00 (VPIP: 24.70, PFR: 18.98, 3Bet Preflop: 9.43, Hands: 2,289)
Hero (BB): $500.00
UTG: $624.01 (VPIP: 28.27, PFR: 16.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 542)
MP: $507.50 (VPIP: 24.42, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 8.18, Hands: 2,375)
CO: $164.66 (VPIP: 25.59, PFR: 18.63, 3Bet Preflop: 8.41, Hands: 2,170)

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has J J

fold, MP raises to $12.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $50.00, MP calls $37.50

Flop: ($102.50, 2 players) 3 A 6
Hero bets $30.00, MP calls $30.00

Turn: ($162.50, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, MP bets $110.06, fold

MP wins $159.50

h10: no guts to call this river. AK could x river but that's passive play. not sure which bluffs even SHOULD bet the flop.
thought about folding flop but got those backdoors + can play the board.
could always see some stupid cbet and then x down AK.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $2,020.32
SB: $947.78 (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 20.72, 3Bet Preflop: 7.61, Hands: 1,813)
BB: $261.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: $883.45 (VPIP: 36.24, PFR: 25.69, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 227)
CO: $526.00 (VPIP: 26.25, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 13.76, Hands: 305)

SB posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has T T

UTG raises to $11.25, fold, Hero raises to $40.00, fold, fold, UTG raises to $112.50, Hero calls $72.50

Flop: ($232.50, 2 players) 8 4 9
UTG bets $62.40, Hero calls $62.40

Turn: ($357.30, 2 players) 9
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($357.30, 2 players) 9
UTG bets $244.48, fold

UTG wins $354.30

h11: this was nitty. don't know if AK should cb here. can only look like a genius if I turn set, most likely I have to just XF most turns to any aggression.
CO vs BB is stronger 4b ofc.
AK could also call 3b so maybe the fold was good.

PokerStars - $5 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $492.50 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 5)
SB: $548.25 (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 15.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.26, Hands: 1,422)
Hero (BB): $791.10
UTG: $618.39 (VPIP: 29.60, PFR: 22.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.88, Hands: 2,111)
MP: $491.75 (VPIP: 27.76, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 3.40, Hands: 559)
CO: $507.50 (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 14.63, Hands: 121)

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, CO raises to $10.25, fold, fold, Hero raises to $50.00, CO raises to $117.65, Hero calls $67.65

Flop: ($237.80, 2 players) 2 4 9
Hero checks, CO bets $77.48, fold

CO wins $234.80


Enjoy.

why you think villain's turn bet sizings in h6 and h9 are bad

i think id play almost every hand differently

Don't think I'd be able to fold hand 2.