95% of making an EV wager is learning how to frame it. Cuse undoubtedly has a big ego and likes to massage it. But it's a front/ trap when he gets money involved. Lot of hot heads can easily be separated with their money but cuse is not one of those guys. He's really good at using his image to his advantage.

Even up until the end he was milking it. RG even money bet was basically a gift and never would have happened if 1. Cuse didn't know how to milk it and 2. He didn't have a big ego image problem

I wasn't intending on attacking you (though I understand it may have come across that way); the gist of what I was working towards was as I mentioned before:

1. I hope you continue to do well at the tables and move up so it will be unnecessary to seek 'external' financing from others.

2. If you do continue to get funded from the 2p2 community, I hope that you will be able to return real, tangible cash to those persons.

You already mentioned that you thought the second statement was kind of ridiculous, and that's fine. Personally, I think these are fair statements. I think the long-run value of what I'm saying is undeniably in your and everyone else's best interest.

Cuse hustled and won. He beat other people trying to hustle him. They didn't frame it right and they paid dearly.

They could have kept the odds and the hours the same. But told him no headphones, iPads, tablets, cell phones, and no requests to change tv channels. Cuse would have tapped out before the halfway mark

Umm, thanks, I think? LOL. I'm not entirely sure what I was doing to milk a second bet or what my ego had to do with that one, but I'm not saying you're wrong either.

On #1, thanks, I too hope to continue to do well at the tables and to do a better job with volume so that I can save up more, move up, make more, etc, etc... For #2, I mean, look, obviously if I sell action I'm trying to win money for them... That's why I pointed out how much I lost on those tourneys. You keep framing this like I'm making a living off the 2p2 community or I'd be busto or something without it when you say external financing... That's just not the case at all.

I have received money from 2p2 three ways:

1. Selling action. I was a (significant) net loser on all of this. If anything, selling action enabled me to gamble more of my net worth than I should have on the Main Event, and I lost. No regrets, though.

2. Selling coaching. I've profited obviously, but I believe I've returned more value than the money I received. I have not sold enough coaching via 2p2 in any year to pay even one month's rent.

3. Prop bets. I won a couple of these, and you take umbrage with my <10% estimate of my probability of success. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. However, in January about 12-13% of my earnings came off of prop bets. I would have recovered just fine without it. None of my other prop bet wins were significant (one other one for $500, I think). Also as a professional gambler, prop bets aren't really "external financing," and none of them was some kind of dirty hustle. I have been known to hustle a drink at a bar a couple times a year with a fun bar bet, though. Then again, I usually buy the next round anyway, so...

On the flip side, I've also bought action, and nobody I've bought from has ever cashed. I've also given tons of free "coaching," in this thread... Not just on poker strategy either. In addition to all of the strategy my successes, failures, struggles, etc, are learning experiences that I've shared with the community and can help people avoid certain issues/struggles they may have had.

I've never scammed, stolen, etc. I've never even borrowed money for more than like five hours. (The only time I've ever borrowed was sharing a room w/ a friend and I burned through my three or four buyins in my pocket and he floated me til we got back to the room to repay him.)

Anyway, you can think/say whatever you want... We still have free speech here in the US (at least for now)... My side is pretty clear, I think.

Yikes, I don't think I'd have taken that! I only changed the TV channel twice, I think. (Unless you count, "Hey, can you put on ANYTHING other than women's basketball?" as a real request lol...)

I didn't use an iPad/tablet at all, but I did watch one movie on my cell phone and half an episode of a TV show, and I listened to a lot more music than usual (maybe like 100-150 of the hours). I texted/read stuff online a lot more than usual, too.

I think the music and cell phone were necessary to hitting 300. But making someone do it without them would be cruel and unusual torture.

You really don't like the way #2 is worded, but I think you're extrapolating a lot more from the wording than is intended. I will rephrase:

I hope that when you receive funds from people on 2p2, you will (one day) actually return some money to them (maybe even with a little profit).

This shouldn't be regarded as an unpalatable statement.

The implication is that I've been predatory, but I haven't. That is implied, since you're stating the obvious with regard to selling action. Of course I want to make a profit, I have a ton of my own money at risk too! Or you're implying that I'm -EV in the Main Event, which you're welcome to think.

So basically you're basing the whole thing off a sample size of two Main Events, and you're connecting it to coaching and prop bets, which is a ridiculous connection...

Meanwhile you have some view that I should be pumping money into the 2p2 community, when there is really no way to do that short of a) losing prop bets and b) turning a profit on staking.

Suggesting I should do A is funny, obviously I'm going to try to win. Unfortunately I've run badly in the Main Event, and that's B. I lost my own money, too, though. My motives/effort can't be questioned on that as a result IMO.

I think my coaching has returned value but you seem to disagree and think I'm hustling them or something... Yet not one of my students has complained about the value they got and many have bought additional lessons.

You seem to hold me to some arbitrary, odd, standard that nobody else is held to (as far as I know). Are you hassling other PG&Cers? Are other PG&Cers giving away money? Are other hugely profitable PG&Cers with good winrates selling shares at no markup? Or is it simply that I went 0-for-2 on Main Events and 2-for-2 on prop bets?

Like I'm sorry I'm not in here like Oprah giving away cars for being in the audience... Unfortunately, there are no free cars to be given away. I wish there were, and if you have some mutually beneficial way for there to be free cars, I'm all ears. It'd be cool, and it'd be fun... But I'm not just going to give money away for no reason.

To me, the PG&C community is about:

1. Creating motivation for PG&Cers. Posting goals is beneficial mentally.

2. Supporting people's goals with encouragement/advice, and receiving that in your own thread.

3. Networking to meet others you can develop a real world relationship with to do 1&2, and far more importantly, to become real friends with. This is by far the most important for me. Some of my closest friends were met through this thread.

4. Learning from others. This can be about poker strategy, poker business management/planning, life management, careers, etc.

5. Entertainment. People enjoy reading about the ups and downs of the poker journey.

If, along the way, there are profitable opportunities to be given that are mutually beneficial, that's wonderful. I believe I've given these at the markup I've sold at for the most part, and I made it clear when I didn't. You're welcome to disagree over what my edge is. I don't subscribe to the theory of selling at little/no markup until you've binked something, I believe in estimating your edge and selling accordingly.

At any rate, I think I've done a pretty good job of 1-5, and unfortunately the opportunities people have had to invest in my tournaments haven't panned out. I don't know what my long term ITM% will be in the Main, but if it's 30% the odds of bricking two in a row are about 50-50. Hopefully I will have a successful lead-up to the WSOP this year, take 100% of my action, and you won't have to worry about it.

Who knows, maybe I'll do something silly like make a bracelet bet that I'll be very likely to lose so that I can have some extra motivation and return some money to the community.

Okay, okay. I retract my statement:

"I hope that when you receive funds from people on 2p2, you will (one day) actually return some money to them (maybe even with a little profit). "

Strike that from the records.

Fair enough, Push.

Hey cuse - Life has been keeping me off 2+2 the past few weeks, but please accept my belated congrats for blowing out your January goals - well done man!

Read basically everything from Jan. 1 on tonight. Only took like 5 hours. LOL. Great job.

Is the $3k included in the $15K?

Also, for someone who went to the No. 1 Communications School in America as I think you so proudly called it you failed to learn one vital piece of info:

UNDER WAY is TWO FREAKING WORDS when used the way you use it!

Grammarnazi80k has no understanding of what constitutes "vital piece of information(sic)" at any level of education.

Please explain your point. The word "info" has been in use for over 100 years.

Under way is conventionally two words when it functions as an adverb or a predicate adjective (E.g., “The ship voyage is under way.”). It is usually one word, underway, when it is an adjective preceding its noun (E.g., “The underway voyage was interrupted.”). But English’s compounding impulse may eventually make underway the preferred term in all contexts. And in fact, many edited publications already use only the one-word form, even as a predicate adjective.

Thanks frommagio! I appreciate it...

The 3K is not included in the 15K, I never include promo/BBJ funds in my winrates.

Remember, I was a broadcast journalism major. Underway and under way sound the same. Besides, that's what editors are for!

He's saying that whether underway is one or two words in the way I used it would not qualify as a vital piece of info.

Great stuff... In fact, and this will probably not make 80K happy, the AP Style Guide made it one word in 2013...

https://www.poynter.org/2013/ap-chan...-react/209551/

I would argue that since it comes from rake you are paying, you should count it. But that's just me.

You're right. That makes me angry. LOL.

I mean, it'd make my winrate look better so it'd be fun to do that, but I think the norm is not to... It's just sort of easier not to, as well, with regard to how the app works.

I knew it would, LOL! That was my first thought when I saw it.

Ok, wondering if you have seen this situation:
Hand plays out to the river, one player bets, the only other player in the hand folds, throwing his hand into the muck.
I figure the hand is over, and ask the winner, who still has his unexposed cards if he has "high hand". If he has a full house he gets promotion $$$.
The dealer barks out, one player to a hand! ��
The player with the cards looks confused, so I ask him again, he ends up mucking face down. He did have a boat.
The dealer explains to me, it is the players responsibility to know the promotion, and not muck his hand.
Meanwhile, I've seen other dealers ask players before they muck, if they have high hand.
Later I check with the floor supervisor, she supports the dealer's comments.

My stance is if it's a promo you can expect to see a piece of through regular play, such as high hands, you should include it. If it's something you might never see in thousands of hours like a BBJ you shouldn't.

Presumably you're tracking winrate because you're wondering about your expectation in the medium term.

If you fish tracked in excel you could see both win rates like me

I do, but I've also never won a promo

CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!!!!!!

#beatduke

Promos change month to month most places, though. I think it's better to track the winrate in games and then add on the EV you think the promo gives you.




I can export into Excel easily enough if I want to... It seems like more work to track it that way, though. No?