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2013 for z0mgtiltz : 0k+ and hitting 5kNL+ 2013 for z0mgtiltz : 0k+ and hitting 5kNL+

12-05-2012 , 10:00 PM
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12-07-2012 , 04:02 AM
gl and gogogoogogogogooooo!
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12-07-2012 , 04:51 AM
Glglgl sir.
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12-07-2012 , 05:23 AM
Looks like it's gonna be a bad month for me, got destroyed HU the other night.

Was only -$10k at the HU but I got owned pretty hard, and the entire session was -$30k ouch. Could be my worst month ever, whups.

For the sake of my bankroll, I'm gonna game select for a little while at 2knl.
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12-07-2012 , 06:07 AM
Hey z0mgtiltz! GL with your new goals! Make it happen!
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12-07-2012 , 07:19 AM
Had a decent session just now, was starting tables. +$3.5k, +$6.5kEV. "Spewed" off one hand where I 3b/5b KJo although it's heads up so 3b/5b bluffing can't really be bad.
My favourite hand of the session.


Spoiler:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($2,911)
Hero ($2,000)

Dealt to Hero K K

Hero raises to $40, raises to $160, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($320) K 4 A

checks, Hero checks

TURN ($320) K 4 A 9

checks, Hero bets $180, calls $180

RIVER ($680) K 4 A 9 5

checks, Hero bets $1,020, raises to $2,571 (AI), Hero calls $640 (AI)

shows A A
(Pre 82%, Flop 95.7%, Turn 97.7%)

Hero shows K K
(Pre 18%, Flop 4.3%, Turn 2.3%)

wins $3,999

Sighsnapped the river. Regarding hand, I took some tricky lines because of gameflow and history.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($8,915)
BB ($2,000)
CO ($2,358)
BTN ($2,477)

Dealt to Hero K Q

fold, BTN raises to $40, Hero raises to $160, fold, BTN calls $120

FLOP ($340) 4 9 K

Hero bets $180, BTN calls $180

TURN ($700) 4 9 K 5

Hero bets $480, BTN calls $480

RIVER ($1,660) 4 9 K 5 3

Hero bets $1,658, BTN calls $1,657 (AI)

Hero shows K Q
(Pre 74%, Flop 86.9%, Turn 93.2%)

BTN shows K J
(Pre 26%, Flop 13.1%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero wins $4,972


Favourite thing about this hand was that villain has $1657 and pot was $1658.50 after rake.
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12-07-2012 , 07:31 AM
Few notes to remind myself about to keep yourself playing well. These are things that work for me, which might help you guys too:


- Take 5 minute breaks every 100 minutes of poker that I play regardless of whether I'm on a table with scout or the 5 toughest regs.
I seem to not do so well when I play extended sessions without just getting up and walking around. If you can play longer then take breaks less frequently, if you can't play longer then take more frequent/longer breaks. (I used 5 minutes because it would suck to get kicked off a table with a huge fish, although if you're Zooming this isn't a problem.)

- As soon as I realise that I am tilting in some way or form, just sit out. If it's a 6max table, take a break. If it's HU, say GG and leave.
I have no problems noticing that I'm getting annoyed/tilting somewhat, but I find it hard to leave the table. I always believe that I can overcome my tilt, but really, no one can overcome their tilt. Not even Pikachu.

- Never play someone good 4 tables HU [as my game is right now].
I just can't 4 table well enough vs a good regular. In a lot of ways, I am still in the learning stages of HU, and therefore I shouldn't overdue it when I'm still learning. This is also applicable to uNL 6m: Playing uNL is a learning stage. You don't understand the game well enough yet so you're playing lower whilst building a bankroll. Now think how 16 tabling uNL will do you no good when you're still learning. Pick the number of tables that suit you.

- Never play in any game that will require a lot of thought when you're tired. DO NOT drink caffeine drinks.
i.e. Don't go trying to play on a table of the 5 toughest regs when you're sleepy, just rest. Caffeine does not help you play your A game. It dehydrates you and though you'll be more awake, you will crash from it later without realising and drift into your C-game so quickly.


Hope these help if you guys are finding it hard to play your A game. At the start it's not about how long you can play your A game for, just keep trying to cultivate being able to play it. The amount of time you can play it for will extend over time.

Of course, use your judgement well. Don't follow the rules blindly. For instance, if you judge that your B/C game is good enough to beat the table for a decent clip, then you should definitely stay. e.g. Whilst I couldn't play 2kNL for long periods of time, I could pretty much play 100NL for hours on end and still be +ev there.

Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 12-07-2012 at 07:42 AM.
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12-07-2012 , 08:18 AM
Hey interesting stuff.

This goes back to your hu thing where you said you would never play a reg 4 tables. In six max did you learn the same way (meaning you always played 1 or 2 tables until you improved your game drastically and proved it) then started pumping in extra tables?
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12-07-2012 , 08:25 AM
Well, not quite, I don't think playing 1 or 2 tables is necessary for 6max since it just gets really boring and there has to be *some* amount of volume you need to move up. But definitely don't play more than 6 tables when learning.
At one point, I was 20 tabling 200NL, if only I realised how bad that was for my game and my growth as a poker player. It wasn't until I cut back tables that I managed to break through to 400NL.

So because of that, now I don't usually play more than 6-8 tables of 2kNL
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12-07-2012 , 08:36 AM
Ahh well im strictly a HU player was just asking if its different, so for HU you recommend a person who is learning a game should only 2 table? Your playing 6max mainly, but you plan on making a transition to HU? Do you think HU is more profitable, or are you only learning HU because you want to open 6 max tables?
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12-07-2012 , 08:43 AM
I think if you can't 4 table well enough, then don't, hah. That's the aspect of HU that's I'm still learning since I suck at multitasking [lolfakeasian]. If your winrate is higher at 2 tables HU vs one regular then by all means, just play 2 tables.

I don't have plans to transition to HU exclusively. I think it can definitely be more profitable but indeed, I'm learning HU more to start more 6m tables (that and cause 6m feels so nitty and boring these days).
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12-07-2012 , 08:48 AM
I see will def keep that in mind, I always thought i was a lot better at multitasking then I actually am . haha awesome, thats what I kinda assumed but also thought HU games were kinda dead at Highstakes. You went to japan before correct? (may have been the wrong thread), anyways if you ever swing by cambodia let me know! GL from a fellow asian!
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12-07-2012 , 10:18 AM
Playing 4 tables HU is definitely a skill in itself, and I don't think people realise just how much of a difference it can make to your winrate so that's a very valid point.
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12-07-2012 , 12:50 PM
I take a break every 60 minutes usually. Get out when I can't concentrate or tilt or whatever.

But why no caffeine? I always make coffee before a session.
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12-07-2012 , 03:21 PM
do you play any PLO at all? any desire to play more of it if not?
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12-07-2012 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($3,577)
BB ($2,040)
BTN ($2,214)

Dealt to Hero Q K

fold, Hero raises to $50, BB calls $30

FLOP ($100) Q 8 9

Hero bets $70, BB raises to $238, Hero calls $168

TURN ($576) Q 8 9 5

Hero checks, BB bets $423, Hero calls $423

RIVER ($1,423) Q 8 9 5 7

Hero checks, BB bets $1,328 (AI), Hero calls $1,328

BB shows A J
(Pre 60%, Flop 29.4%, Turn 31.8%)

Hero shows Q K
(Pre 40%, Flop 70.6%, Turn 68.2%)

Hero wins $4,078

herpderp, top pair
Why did you decide to call on turn and river? I guess calling turn and folding river is a technical mistake but still.
Would you do things different on a spade river, river that pairs the board, an ace etc?

Also, good luck with your goal!
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12-07-2012 , 03:46 PM
gl Mr Op. Looking forward to soaking up a bit of knowledge that you will leak here.
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12-07-2012 , 04:07 PM
Do you only play Stars?
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12-07-2012 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mattepatte
Why did you decide to call on turn and river? I guess calling turn and folding river is a technical mistake but still.
Would you do things different on a spade river, river that pairs the board, an ace etc?

Also, good luck with your goal!
Bluffing frequencies are higher on certain cards. Not gonna get in depth regarding what I'd do on what cards specifically though.
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12-07-2012 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by oldlove
Do you only play Stars?
Also play FTP when there's action on there
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12-07-2012 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
Bluffing frequencies are higher on certain cards. Not gonna get in depth regarding what I'd do on what cards specifically though.
True, thinking about it shortly this is a nut-bluff-runout for him.
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12-08-2012 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($6,329)
Hero ($4,969)
UTG ($2,427)
CO ($3,587)
BTN ($2,000)

Dealt to Hero 9 J

fold, fold, BTN raises to $40, fold, Hero calls $20

FLOP ($90) 4 6 T

Hero checks, BTN bets $50, Hero raises to $140, BTN raises to $290, Hero raises to $4,929 (AI), BTN calls $1,670 (AI)

TURN ($4,010) 4 6 T 2

RIVER ($4,010) 4 6 T 2 Q

BTN shows 6 6
(Pre 49%, Flop 72.6%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero shows 9 J
(Pre 51%, Flop 27.4%, Turn 15.9%)

Hero wins $4,007

bink!
Do you still like your play ? I usually cc flop, because it feels like I can't rep anything but draws OTF.

Quote:
Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

- As soon as I realise that I am tilting in some way or form, just sit out. If it's a 6max table, take a break. If it's HU, say GG and leave.
I have no problems noticing that I'm getting annoyed/tilting somewhat, but I find it hard to leave the table. I always believe that I can overcome my tilt, but really, no one can overcome their tilt. Not even Pikachu.

I think this is weak. Running away from your problems. There is a clear logic why you tilt. Find out what it is, and break down that logic.
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12-08-2012 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
Bluffing frequencies are higher on certain cards. Not gonna get in depth regarding what I'd do on what cards specifically though.
I appreciate you'd rather not explain the process fully, but is part of it because you're factoring in him barreling it off with hearts on this runout?

Last edited by libertyhaze; 12-08-2012 at 07:09 AM.
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12-08-2012 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by phenomenal
Do you still like your play ? I usually cc flop, because it feels like I can't rep anything but draws OTF.

I think this is weak. Running away from your problems. There is a clear logic why you tilt. Find out what it is, and break down that logic.
I think the play is fine.
Not running away from the problem. I don't often go on tilt as it is, and have already done that Jared Tendler thing months and months before it became super popular in these forums.

Quote:
Originally Posted by libertyhaze
I appreciate you'd rather not explain the process fully, but is part of it because you're factoring in him barreling it off with hearts on this runout?
Possibly.
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12-08-2012 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by phenomenal
Do you still like your play ? I usually cc flop, because it feels like I can't rep anything but draws OTF.


i dont think not repping anything is a problem tho is it?

we can just do what he did or barrel turn or w/e
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