You probably should have 3bet or folded 44 pre.

@Architectpro, I think your overestimating the fact he had 2 outs and is still going to pay me off on later streets or c-bet with QQ, checking really is not as bad as you make it out to be here. Here's another idea, i donk the flop he calls and still gets his Q, money goes in i lose. There is a huge difference in +EV play between c/r and donking the flop.

I'm agreeing with Donnyz89 here.

3bet or fold 44 pre is not an option at all.

EDIT: Also I think post more beats/unlucky hands then anyone else here. Even if my money does go in behind it's too some sick hand.

33/14

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $5.25
UTG: $5.00
MP: $4.02
CO: $6.23
BTN: $5.00
SB: $3.81

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K Q
4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.40) 8 7 K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.00) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, SB raises to $3.31 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

How often does this happen to you architect? like never?

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SB: $8.60
BB: $5.00
UTG: $9.65
MP: $2.92
CO: $5.35
Hero (BTN): $5.41

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.22, 2 folds, MP calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51) 6 8 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.35, MP calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.21) 3 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP calls $0.70

River: ($2.61) 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

I obviously played this wrong right architect?

Yes I ment the flop...

Your losing tons of value here not betting this flop because 1 this board more likely then not has hit your villain and 2 there are draws that have also hit your villain. The correct play here is to pot it as you are going to gt called by draws and tpgk hands. You are only going to fold out hands that will not bet this flop anyways. So you can't give a free card here.

Also a word of advice... Your over complicating your play when your villains only care about there cards. This is 5NL not 50NL and if you are going to make it in poker you need to adapt your play to the limit you are playing. In 2NL and 5NL all you have to do value bet every street with made hand (set+) and keep the pot small with TPTK hands. That's it, you rarely need to check raise for value or bluff and an pots. This may sound alittle harsh but it's advice that will make you a successful micro player.

Why has it hit a 25/24, 52% ATS, range, that's a wide range to be raising, in NLHE we don't hit boards very often. If he had 10% ATS then it would be more like he has an Ax type hand. If this board hits villains range so hard and there are draws why doesn't he c-bet then?

There is not one correct play for every action in poker and you can't just say the correct play here is to pot the flop. So according to your logic if i pot the flop, he's folding QQ straight away? This doesn't make sense at all.

EDIT: I forget, what limit do you play and have beaten so far? You give different advice than what others do on beating the micros, keep pot small with TPTK is wrong. Rarely needing to and not doing it at all are different, there are times to c/r. What if you get raised? I posted a hand just a minute a go where I got raised.

I have beat both 2NL and 5NL with over 20K hands In each. Currently the last 8.5K hands on 5NL my winrate is 14bb/100. Also I'm correct in everything I said and you just don't like to take criticism and don't want to improve your play. It's a pretty universal that big hands = big pots and small hands = small pots. You have to be able to fold hands like TPTK and over pairs to aggressive opponents. They only play thier cards and a good amount of the time they have good hands when they bet.

I see, your a poker god, No I don't like critiscism or to take advice, I just made this thread for no reason.

EDIT: You didn't answer my questions, I edited my post.

He didn't bet because he had QQ. You stuck to much on what he had and not what he could of had. We don't mind QQ folding out here because it's not a hand he is going to call any bet with on any other streets unless he improves. You lost your stack on a hand that you could of easily took down after the flop. Also he could be raising here with any 2 big cards and and suited cards meaning he could easily be on a draw or even hit the A.

I'm by no means a poker god but I have done my research and I'm currently beating 5NL with a decent winrate.

I'm pretty sure set mining OOP in a heads up pot against a button raiser is not a good play and you're ruling out the only good options.

I completely agree with qbvb. Take our advice and work with it. If you feel that you played the hand completely perfectly then why post it at all.

Like I said you will get paid when he does have the Ax hands and KQ etc. For the very few times villain hits those mediocre hands, you will take down a large pot. Compared to winning small pots with your fancy play.

Also folding pf is an option as well as stated above. Set mining OOP HU is not very profitable. When set mining you want more then 1 person in the pot to get better implied odds.

^ this or if villain has 100bb

@qbvbsite, You contradict yourself, you say fish will call with anything but now there laying down QQ on a A high board? I don't think he's ever just folding QQ on a A high board to a donk bet from the blinds, is he really just going to say ok he bet he must have an Ace I fold because that would be level 2 thinking and not fishy level 1.

@Architectpro, I don't think i played it perfectly but i certainly don't think i played it bad at all. I also think this hand is going the same way whether I c/r or lead out.

With the set mining HU OOP, if the fish stack off so lightly as you both say they do, then this should be very profitable at the micros. It's not going to be hugely profitable but it's not a huge leak either, calling to set mine is fine. 3betting is terrible. Folding, if we have 22-66 is ok as well imo.

This might seem like I'm fighting my corner and think I'm a perfect player, but just look at this as more of poker discussion. I'm not being ignorant or ignoring your thoughts.

Ya you also want them pretty much full stacked

Accually folding QQ on a A high board is level 1 thinking because they will figure they are beat and they have no draws. Set mining HU is not good because your odds of getting paid off goes down. You want to set mine pots with 2 or more players.

If you are constantly set mining HU it is a leak btw. It better to wait for more optimal situations to set mine.

Ok so we bet and they fold, what if we check they check back and miss there queen, if we bet there calling turn and river right?

Set mining HU OOP isn't the best case scenario but it's not a huge leak either. Also you've pretty much put an argument towards doing it with this hand. Seeing as we called to set mine HU OOP with 44 and got there and then you give reasons why we get so much value with our hand here.

I don't think it is a leak considering the occasions where we have a PP, it folds to the BTN and they raise, there aren't going to be many at all.

I comment on the hand as played after flop and how it was played from there. Also I'm saying anytime you calling a raise to set mine and you are going to be HU is a leak. You are going to be wasting more money then You will make. The idea of set mining to to stack your opponent when you hit. You have a much better chance on stacking someone with more the on person in the pot.

Your still in the mind set that he is holding QQ. When in fact he can be holding any number of hands that could be drawing. If he misses the draw and you bet the turn he folds, with QQ he may or may not call, and Ax will probably call it down. But still the correct play for the board and villain is to bet the flop to make the draws pay for there draw.

The whole point of when i check is that they bet, a 25/24 will cbet when he hits which is going to be rarely because so far he was raising 52% OTB. In NLHE it's hard to flop anything, it's a game of missing the board.

So no matter what, 100% all of the time the correct play here is to always lead out, checking is a leak to you right?

Btw I did have a thought, your WR at 5nl is 14/100 currently? Do you think this is sustainable?

Its not a game of missing the board its a game of making calcultated decisions based on the information you currently know.

Given the board and the villain I would lead out here 100% of the time. The board is way to drawy to give a free card for the drawing hands. If the board had no draws and was A47 rainbow i would be more inclined to c/r or c/c (probably 40% bet and 60% check).

14/100 at 5NL can be sustainable but will probably level out to about 8-10/100.

Set mining HU OOP even against fish isn't going to be profitable. You don't make sets very often and even when you do the PFRs range is going to be so wide that you will hardly ever stack them.

And 3 betting small pairs from the blinds against a button raiser with a high fold to 3 bet is way better than calling and definitely not terrible.