Another session put in, 275h, $+1, WR: 18/100, BR currently: 25.08.

So yea break even, im sure the next 5k hands or so will be at a profit .

I wouldn't bother recording the video. Your best bet would be to talk with some other 2+2ers that may be nice enough to share screen with you while they play. The limits will most likely be different but you will get the idea. I just know I would rather spend 30 min. reading a book or HH's rather than watching a 30 min video of nl2. I have done this time from time with some friends and I find it works best.

Hmm put me in two minds why dont you! , ok fair points, i think i might record and send donnyz89 the video or just put it up anyway.

On HH's: I dont post a lot because i dont find myself in a lot of tough spots and if i do i feel like i played them well enough to make them +EV. But of course there will be some naturally and theyll definitely be up here.

Look in Verneers thread. He has a section dedicated to seating up sweats and recording videos.

Todays graph so far, HEM trial ran out, i cant buy it just yet so expect no graphs for a while .

Summary of session: Variance, played well, didnt tilt, kept my cool at all times and tried to make the most +EV decisions. A lot of the time it just didnt seem like things were going my way, i had an overpair to the board, i c-bet, i get min raised by overcards who gets a runner runner for two pair. I had TPTK on a K74 board, they shove over the top, i figure there loose, aggro donk type player, im ahead, they had the nfd with 1 over which is dead to me, they river a flush.

For most of the session i was at a loss, id win it back and then lose a big pot to go back to square 1.

Lifetime graph, from when i started the thread, obv there are maybe ~3k hands missing as there on other comp.



I honestly think tilt mixed in with variance is the problem but i until i log 25k or more hands i cant be sure, as HEM ends today, i will spend the rest of the day analyzing my sessions.

During my session I also noticed that sometimes i will call raises on a flop oop, i call min raises a lot mainly because it frustrates me and secondly because i normally have tpgk with the flop only to go to showdown behind because they get ahead on the turn/river...

This isnt an end to the thread by far, i still think there are leaks in my game, tilt, bad calls, i think are the main things that need work, so yeah, expect more soon, will now reply to those who posted recently, sorry for the wait!

@brrrrat, sometimes i need to remember this especially if my moneys in as a favourite, thats what we aim for and if i lose, i should be glad i played it well, rather than getting pissed at some idiot rivering a gutshot/2 pair or whatever.

@sedeuce, great post, even if i feel my pre flop range raising is pretty solid its still good to read something like that just for refreshment, in terms of raising utg/utg+1 i will fold KJo/QJ/AT/AJ, as im not keen on playing marginal hands oop, however at 2nl i can see this as profitable considering theyll call with much worse, another reason i hate raising marginal hands utg is that i know i have to fold to a 3bet if im holding QJ/KJ/AT etc.

I rarely play suited connectors, the hands i normally play for multi way value are PP's which i normally raise utg to pick up more callers.

Ill raise the BTN if the blinds are nits/tag. Ill 3bet with ATC if there min raising a lot of hands from any position and i have position over them.

With limpers i raise 4x +1 for each limper. Not sure why data shows i raise from 1-7, i raise 3.5x any hand, any position, the only times i can think of is if the whole table limps, i have AK on the BTN, and ill make it 7/7.5 or w/e, never 1-7xbb if the pot is unopened.

I vary my bet sizing, depending on if i think i have FE, or if im betting for value etc...

Your post helped a lot and also bought up 1 subject that ive been wondering about for a day or two and was going to make a seperate post about and thats flat calling.
Generally ill flat call PP's to play multi way, but if im holding KJ on the BTN and theres a raise before, i tend to fold, ill fold most hands to a raise and 3bet with other hands (TT/JJ+ including AQ/AK). I sometimes wonder if theres a raise from MP and im in the CO/BTN with KQ, should i fold, call or 3bet? I mostly go with the line of folding (too nitty?), but i can see why calling with a strong hand IP is profitable especially at 2nl, perhaps this is a leak idk.

@Dr_hyde, err the positional stats whenever i right click to save, asks if i want to save as a CSV file, im no computer wiz, how can i save as a picture? I play 6max and 4 tables. I've slowed down on c-betting so much especially in 3bet pots where where i miss with AK etc, its hard c-betting 60% of the pot to get called and the turn be a blank.

Will post 3bet%, 3bet% success and steal stats asap.

Another session logged, this time i tried more tables (8) with a still taggy style, a little looser, and won $5.44, 272bb over 540h = 50bb/100.

Might look towards playing more tables, i dont know why but i seem to play better and more +EV multi tabling as to 4 tabling, means i can also get more rakeback and more volume in.

However when i can move upto 5nl ill msot likely drop down to 4/6 tables, play x number of hands with a steady wr and then increase tables, however thats a long way off.

So today in total = 1377 hands, $+2.29 (114.5bb) with a WR of 8.3/100.

Confession: I also dabbled in the daily dollar a couple of times and a couple of 1.10 tournaments, this is bad for my BR and i figure ive lost maybe $3 in these, I will stop doing this now, need to be stricter on my BR.

BR currently sits at $22.49

Go get the PT3 free trial now. Unless you already had it?

These are spots that as you move up you will find are quite profitable to play in so maybe getting used to them now will do you favours in the future.
Its all about ranges, usually if its an UTG raise i will discard hands like KQo but will call with AJo+ and can play them profitably. Against a MP raise im calling quite a wide range. I mean if a 15/12 opens then we can comfortably play hands like KQo knowing that we are in front of his range. Things that have to be checked are things like players behind and their squeezing tendancies. Also when thinking whether to 3bet someone we have to take in to account how often they fold to 3bets. If someone has a very low fold to 3bet then we can 3bet a wider range for value, where as if someone has a high fold to 3bet then we are better calling with hands like AJ etc and make more money that way. If someone has a high fold to 3bet this is where we can mix some 3bet bluffs in with hands like Axs or Kxs.
I wouldnt try to complicate it too much but if you have an idea now then you will be one step ahead when you move up.

For the sake of some friendly debate I have to disagree with a couple things you said. I wouldn't be that comfortable flatting KQo vs a 15/12 open. He's definitely opening AK, AQ, AJ, AT, TT+....I wouldn't call that comfortably ahead of his range.

As for a low fold to 3 bet stat, the opposite is true. We want to 3bet more for value since we'll get more calls when he have villain dominated. We don't want to be playing 3bet pots with 98s, KJos or whatever.

I agree with the rest of what you said and I should add that if villain has a high fold to 3bet stat then we can start polarizing our 3bet range against him (50% bluff/50% value).

hmm i agree with brrrraat here with not calling with KQo vs a 15/12, i think if there a 22/10 perhaps this is when your really certain you can call, but yea i think its position based and player dependant, if there loose but open tightly utg, you might fold KQo from the CO or whatever.

Kinda agree with the 3betting, if they fold a lot, and this is kind of like sklanskys bucks (spelling?) i think you should 3bet them more, just because if they call and you have them dominated its their mistake and theyll pay you off, just flatting also gives you know idea of where your at, if you 3bet someone with a very high fold to 3bet and they call, you can be certain they have a strong hand. Not too keen at flatting raises simply because if you flat with AJ and your sure your ahead but miss the board, things could get messy.

also agree with 3bets as a bluff, if there raising light and high fold to 3bet%, 3bet them with a wide range, again if they call you known there strong.

With the 3bet one really i meant the same as you i just put it a different way, obviously i thinking more along the lines of hands like AJ rather than 98s, hands that i would rather flat against certain opponents.

With the KQ example i used a 15/12 as an idea simply because that is just about what i play in full ring and my PFR in MP is about 13%. Now when we Poker Stove 13% we can see that its quite a wide range, although the actual hands will differ in that most players open raise all pocket pairs from MP. Now against that range KQo isnt fairing too badly about 45/55 against us. But then we take in to account our positional advantage and also skill advantage, afterall we are choosing who we play against, and we can see why we can play it IP against certain villains.
Its situations like this that can make a bit of a difference to our winrates Playing them badly will cost us a lot but when we have the skill to play them well it can make quite a decent difference.

I was thinking from a 6max standpoint. I think people will agree that a 15/12 at 6max has a much tighter range than a 15/12 at FR. Now that I see where you're coming from, I definitely agree with what you're saying.

stick to fullring 6 max is hard to beat at this level...




my nl2 stats

Any other reasons why? other than just your sample of not being able to beat 2nl 6max?

Ive gone from playing at -6/100 to maybe -0.5/1 /100 WR in 6max, i prefer 6max, more hands , more skill.

Not true.



Smallish sample but I move up and get outta derrr!

how many tables did you play btw?

I think I was playing like between 12 and 16. I would have my whole roll spread across the tables but I was comfortable doing it because I had beaten 2NL like 3 times and I've been a 10NL reg for a while now. I would stay between 4 and 6 if I were you.

i was playing 4 but ive moved up to 6-8 now, idk why but i play 100% better, it helps with tilt as well as i know there are more tables and the more tables/more hands the sooner ill win it back if i take a bad beat, 4 tables is too much of a grind for 2nl. With 4 if i take a bad beat i just feel like **** it, ill play later, with more tables i think oh well, its annoying but its poker, keep grinding...

Small update, did the daily dollar rebuy (i know i said i would'nt, it was my bro who started playing it, he nagged me and hes slightly degen) I finished 234th/4826 for $8.80, BR currently at $33.71, im thinking once i get to $50 i might add in $1 tourneys not as a grind but just the odd one to boost my roll a bit. Just a thought atm .

Another update date and a hand, which i think represents quite a few occasions, i level myself by saying its a dry board, if they have an overpair there drawing to 2 outs, if top pair, still 2 outs.

Here it is:

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BB: $1.23
UTG: $2.24
CO: $2.15
Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $2.31

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG raises to $0.07, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.07, 1 fold, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) 9 7 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, BB folds

Turn: ($0.50) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31

River: ($1.12) A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.47, Hero raises to $1.48 all in, UTG calls $1.01

Session: 708h $+0.92, WR:6.5/100, of course would have been more if for not set over set .

oops, he had

Reasoning for c/cing, dry board, no scare cards, 2nd nuts on flop, 3rd on turn, more value in c/cing.

Any other thoughts appreciated?

Flop play is fine, c/c turn is borderline but you're better off raising there. Any hand he's betting for value is going to continue. It's unlikely that people 2/3 barrel air at 2NL. FYI, if he had top pair and tripped up he would still lose to your FH.

Another hand, something that used to be quite common and i think is a leak that should/could be sorted now...

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CO: $1.36
Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $2.38
BB: $0.92
UTG: $0.06
MP: $3.76

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, SB raises to $0.23, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.48) 8 7 2 (2 players)
SB bets $0.48, Hero raises to $1.77 all in, SB calls $1.29

Turn: ($4.02) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.02) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)



So pre, i guess if i call im folding to a c-bet on a K/A-high board, I think depending on flop and villains c-bet size i can probably fold there, more often than not they show up with AA/KK.

Any thoughts appreicated as usual.

@Braaatt, with that hand i feel whether i raise flop or turn, moneys going in and im losing there but yea a turn raise is probably the best line, seeing as my money goes in ahead, instead of getting it in on the river behind.

UPDATE: Session, 701h, +5.03, 35.8/100

BR: $39.66

Im now up $14.22/7 BI's from when I started, things are looking up a lot, 5nl soon, I can feel it!

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $1.16
MP: $1.80
CO: $2.05
Hero (BTN): $2.09
SB: $0.82
BB: $2.76

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A A
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.29) 7 K T (2 players)
MP bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.45, MP calls $0.29

Turn: ($1.19) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.93, MP raises to $1.23 all in, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($3.65) T (2 players - 1 is all in)



Need some advice, bet sizing on turn, is it a scare card? what other line can i take here?

Beataments.