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2011, Onwards and upwards: 2-100nl, YouFaiil continues the grind! 2011, Onwards and upwards: 2-100nl, YouFaiil continues the grind!

11-19-2010 , 12:49 PM
Opening Q2o is pretty ugly too. You know Q8 has you crushed every time right.
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11-19-2010 , 12:52 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: $28.40
UTG: $15.06
CO: $12.96
BTN: $10.50
Hero (SB): $10.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 3 3
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 2 K 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.15, BB folds, UTG raises to $14.76 all in, Hero calls $8.10 all in

Turn: ($21.40) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($21.40) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:
KK of course


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11-19-2010 , 01:19 PM
Texas = YouFail

Stanford = Variance



Are you still playing? If so just stop now. Variance is kicking you straight in the nuts. Hopes this made you laugh.
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11-19-2010 , 01:34 PM
ha it sure made me chuckle!

on a serious note tho - youfaiil mate, it's EXACTLY these sort of situations in 10nl that have me still grinding my way up t 25nl after 35k+ hands when I moved up from 2nl and 5nl in half that number.

It's frustrating as **** and you just want to strangle puppies.
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11-19-2010 , 02:06 PM
hahahahah architectpro, it will soon be the other way around!

I was playing and didn't stop, I recovered some losses, I just played the way I did at 5nl and breathed, just like Dr._Hyde said to and Tommy Angelo, I just played a good TAG style without getting fancy, value betting bigger and raising my hands when I have them. Only down $15.66 now.
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11-19-2010 , 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr._Hyde

Stick with what got you through NL5, most coaches are advising their students to tighten up from the blinds, not loosen up from them, because it's just too hard to win money there (exception is stealing from SB when the table folds to you, still it's rare to be "profitable" from the sb). It's more about minimizing losses from the blinds, not profiting more and for MOST people, (like not Phil Ivey and a handful of other people), folding more often from the blinds is the right play.

Yes just been advised this. I am very suprised by how tight i have been told to play in the blinds. Going to give it a shot though when im back playing.
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11-19-2010 , 09:05 PM
@MartL, any chance you can give reason to play tight from the blinds other than being OOP? I have tightened up in the blinds, however I prefer playing a good number of hands from the blind, I guess its preference vs advice/what is correct.

gl all!
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11-19-2010 , 09:10 PM
Just keep an eye on your blinds and once they are above -10bb in the SB and -30bb in the BB, you'll know what you need to do.
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11-19-2010 , 10:05 PM
100% c-bet, no sample for turn, these hands are so common in my sessions and I have absolutely no idea what to do, this villain was 12/10, raised 18% PFR. Now on the flop only 5 cards help him, everything else misses except for PP's of course.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $10.00
BB: $15.81
UTG: $10.50
MP: $10.00
CO: $8.79

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 4 4
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 8 2 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($2.65) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.50, Hero folds

339 hands, $-9.46, losses made up mostly of being outkicked, AJ vs AQ, having TP3K, villain has straight draw and hits overcard on river, people 2 barreling me and me folding after calling flop bet.

I have absolutely no idea how I can drop a BI so fast even if I can attach some reasoning.
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11-19-2010 , 10:29 PM
Vs a range that tight even if he barrels all of it you don't have equity to call. There are tons of spots where villain can bet his entire range and you would be making a mistake calling with most of your range. For instance, a few years ago a friend and I were in a 3b pot with a fish and I cbet flop with KK on J72hh or something. So, like I said I cbet, fish calls, my friend raises and I snap fold. He flipped over AKhh, and I was still 100% fine with my fold. When we did an equity calculation in that spot I ended up with like 17% vs his entire range. Regardless of him having the weakest part of his range (which once again is an overcard + nut flush draw with backdoor straight outs (1.5% equity or something)) it was still 100% correct for me to fold even though I was ahead of his specific hand, unless I could magically see his hole cards.

Also worth noting is that you said he has a 100% cbet but no turn bet stat, which means you're paying attention to the wrong information. That stat is probably over 2 or 3 hands that got to the flop so it's irrelevant, although I think it is a safe assumption to think he cbets 100% here because of the board.
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11-19-2010 , 11:11 PM
So in a shell, I need a way better sample to even consider a call on the flop, I suppose I just don't like calling to fold if i miss but by the math, if i call 3x to fold the flop i lose 3bb, if i call pre and on flop i lose 12bb. I was in 2 mind when I checked his flop c-bet and turn c-bet stats and then levelled myself into thinking he misses more often than not its an easy call.

I like your explanation of vs a range because we play for the long term.

So overall, need better HUD samples if im going to go by them and really take everything into account if im going to float/c/c a flop OOP.

Props on your other post about SC's, really was eye-opening.
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11-19-2010 , 11:24 PM
Decided to give 6-max 2NL a shot after a huge downswing at 10NL FR.

+$11 after 250 hands.

I can see why people like 6max more. It's not a total nitfest where people are waiting for the nuts.

I gotta admit that while I find it very easy to extract value when you have a hand, I'm absolutely lost when it comes to cbetting when you miss. I'm also unsure of what my range should be at every position. I'm just playing more loosely and more aggressively and it's working out for me.

Granted, it's 2NL so I shouldn't expect to have hard opponents or anything.

I'm playing 21/16/54

Is that TAG or LAG at 6max?

Edit: Make that +$13 lol
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11-19-2010 , 11:29 PM
TAG, will reply more later, going sleep now.
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11-19-2010 , 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohaithar
Decided to give 6-max 2NL a shot after a huge downswing at 10NL FR.

+$11 after 250 hands.

I can see why people like 6max more. It's not a total nitfest where people are waiting for the nuts.

I gotta admit that while I find it very easy to extract value when you have a hand, I'm absolutely lost when it comes to cbetting when you miss. I'm also unsure of what my range should be at every position. I'm just playing more loosely and more aggressively and it's working out for me.

Granted, it's 2NL so I shouldn't expect to have hard opponents or anything.

I'm playing 21/16/54

Is that TAG or LAG at 6max?

Edit: Make that +$13 lol
TAG.
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11-20-2010 , 03:41 AM
decided to give PLO a try tonight.

think I'm hooked. lol


we'll see after a few days I guess, how the swings are. I remember that I quit playing this a long time ago for a reason....
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11-20-2010 , 12:13 PM
59/11 over only 12 hands. I raise his flop bet to charge for gutshots/fd's/Tx hands. Turn was tough, main thoughts were I crush a T, if he has a straight/flush I still have outs, if he has an A im crushed and although sample is pretty much irrelevant, it shows the making of a loose/passive player, probably won't shove anything less than Ax/flush.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: $4.65
CO: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $10.63
SB: $4.72
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) T A A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.55) J (2 players)
UTG bets $3.45 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds
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11-20-2010 , 12:14 PM
Just call flop, I'm fine with raising if he's 100bbs deep (although I still prefer a call) but we're not trying to get it in, yet we're creating a great shoving stack for our opponent. Turn is an annoying but easy fold.
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11-20-2010 , 12:33 PM
27/23 142 hands, 75% fold to 3bet, 25% call (only 4 hands), I know my 3bet is too small, flop + turn I thought were good as its a dry board and he can commit with much worse.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

MP: $4.67
CO: $10.00
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $11.23
BB: $5.28
UTG: $12.67

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.30) A T 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.30) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.45, CO calls $3.45

River: ($12.20) T (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $3.95 all in

Spoiler:
99
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11-20-2010 , 12:39 PM
Bet sizing is fine each step of the way, the hand is played well.
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11-20-2010 , 01:41 PM
44/11 18 hands... was just planning to c/c the river, didn't feel like i should bet because of the SPR sizes and force myself into calling a shove,

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

SB: $9.31
Hero (BB): $15.05
CO: $8.45
BTN: $10.12

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q K
CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) 3 Q T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.45) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.65, CO calls $1.65

River: ($5.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.60 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds
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11-20-2010 , 02:52 PM
2007 hands, $-29.79, ran terribly, 2 BI's below EV but I normally ignore that anyway, things I did differently, I was rarely c-betting, only betting when I actually hit the flop, red line was break even. I wasn't just in autopilot mode either, I just didn't find a lot of players with low c-bet% that seemed profitable to c-bet.

So far at 10nl, 19,725 hands, $-25.96, BR: $238.09, exactly break even from when I started 10nl.
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11-20-2010 , 08:08 PM


Looks like we both suck at 10NL. It's pretty frustrating.
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11-20-2010 , 09:21 PM
Definitely agree with the frustration .

lifetime 10nl graph... quite a bit different to yours as its symmetrial and not quite as swingy apart the last part.

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11-20-2010 , 09:29 PM
since we're posting "i suck at 10nl" graphs....

40k hands and im still unable to move up

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11-20-2010 , 09:31 PM
wow sick red line, pretty sick blue line too imo.

We must figure out the secret to 10nl!
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