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03-10-2012 , 11:52 PM
busted you in third tonight in 3.5r, that felt great >=]
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03-11-2012 , 07:46 AM
^ Shame on u, not only for bust sucking out on him but moreso for coming here to brag about it after he posted a ~600BI ds graph. That's really mean.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...gnore&u=300370

Inb4 epic heatttt, fingers crossed
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03-11-2012 , 08:25 AM
the comeback has started! make way, for theginger45 will stat crushing the tables
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03-11-2012 , 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by courage
Lol easy tiger, nobody's trying to hurt you....and my horse ain't that high.
All I was trying to say, tho I didn't feel like expanding on what seemed obvious to me at the time, is that it's clearly impossible (or should be) for you to make a huge blanket statement such as 'if you can't grind long, you don't want it enough' without insight into each person's individual learning/working style. Some people simply do not function at, or near, their peak efficiency levels doing the kinds of grinds some players do. To say that has to do with their 'desire' is just completely inaccurate and also one of the most damaging mentalities I witnessed within the education system.

And even beyond the basic flaw in the long hours = desire argument, I'm sure Jared tendler can attest to the fact that often a damaged work ethic has very little (if any) to do with desire and plenty to do with factors such as confidence, fear, and emotional control.

Had you said, like you did in your reply to my 1st post, that crazy long hours are the only way to succeed in poker, I wouldn't have even bothered posting (tho even that is debatable). But to say that the ability to grind your face off is based entirely on desire is, educationally speaking, just not true. Not only that, but it can be very damaging for someone who learns/works in a different manner to see a successful player like yourself tell them that because their brain functions in a different way to yours, they must have a broken motivation/desire system; much like it would be to tell a kid who sucks at math that they obviously just don't want it enough.
Really that's all I was trying to say. But this is your progress thread not a theory of education thread so I'll leave it at that for now and wish you continues success with your grind.
GL
NoH8
I agree with all of this. I made my point in a pretty ham-fisted way as I didn't make the distinction between learning and putting in volume. However, I stand by my conviction that one cannot expect to achieve one's life goals without fully dedicating oneself to them, and I think you'll agree that the difference between a kid who wants to learn mathematics because he struggles with it and a kid who is good at maths and wants to become a great mathematician is obvious. It's this distinction which I should have made in my post.

Thanks for your contribution, I hope you'll continue reading as it would be good to have your input. I think you have a really valuable perspective.

On another note, it's Sunday mother****ers! Let's goooooooooooooooo
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03-11-2012 , 07:40 PM
Agree with all that. Think we both just didn't make our points well the first time around.
GL!
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03-11-2012 , 11:04 PM
Session 54

Another kinda crappy day. No major results in 180s despite a few FTs (including a 35 early on where I was really disappointed with my play...I became unusually scared money), and a couple of deep MTT runs (60th in the 8r 2x and 26th in the 55 55k) came to nothing. My mindset was, oddly, a little affected by the 6th Anniversary Sunday Million - I wasn't sure leading up to my session whether I was going to play it, and part of me wanted to keep enough in my account leading up to it that I could DBI if I bricked my satties. As it happened I scored a seat in the $11 super sat, but I bricked the tourney itself on a slightly brutal hand:


    Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12134362

    MP2: 6,614 (13.2 bb)
    MP3: 11,254 (22.5 bb)
    CO: 11,582 (23.2 bb)
    BTN: 6,861 (13.7 bb)
    Hero (SB): 21,004 (42 bb)
    BB: 24,459 (48.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 27,867 (55.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 15,565 (31.1 bb)
    MP1: 10,833 (21.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 7
    7 folds, Hero raises to 1,385, BB calls 885

    Flop: (3,220) 5 7 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets 1,513, BB calls 1,513

    Turn: (6,246) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets 4,684, Hero raises to 18,056 and is all-in, BB calls 13,372

    River: (42,358) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 42,358 pot
    Final Board: 5 7 8 K A
    Hero showed 6 7 and lost (-21,004 net)
    BB showed 7 7 and won 42,358 (21,354 net)



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    Played a bit under par today in parts overall as I was affected by the lag on Stars, quite badly at times. I had a lot of timeouts including a really irritating fold of AJo when I had 12bb at the FT of a 15/180. Pretty sure some heat is coming, but I'm looking forward to taking a couple of days off to do some writing and chill out a little before hitting the grind again next week. Still a lot of time left in the month and a lot of money to be made.


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    03-12-2012 , 12:30 PM
    Interesting experience just now - spotted myself in someone else's training video for the first time, this time on DeucesCracked. Saw myself do something I though was kinda bad so I guess that's pointed out a potential leak.
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    03-12-2012 , 12:50 PM
    Also, new Chuck Norris avatar FTMFW. Beaker was bringing me runbad.
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    03-12-2012 , 01:09 PM
    Now you're gonna run like Chuck Norris (god)!

    Last edited by juicestain100; 03-12-2012 at 01:11 PM. Reason: fun fact; Chuck Norris turned 72 last week...
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    03-12-2012 , 02:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by juicestain100
    Now you're gonna run like Chuck Norris (god)!
    Chuck turned 72? JFC, I think he really is as invincible as his facts would suggest. That's amazing.
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    03-12-2012 , 10:55 PM
    Just caught up with this great thread all the best sir. You definitely have your head in the right place from the quality of your post's and effort you've put in this thread and ultimately at the tables too.

    You stated originally in the OP that you want to at some point in the future fund your dream career as a screenwriter which sounds cool, interested in knowing how you will know when your ready to pursue it, do you need x money to take the leap of faith or is it something you gradually shift towards doing on a full time basis?

    gl
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    03-13-2012 , 06:35 AM
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    Originally Posted by patman01
    Just caught up with this great thread all the best sir. You definitely have your head in the right place from the quality of your post's and effort you've put in this thread and ultimately at the tables too.

    You stated originally in the OP that you want to at some point in the future fund your dream career as a screenwriter which sounds cool, interested in knowing how you will know when your ready to pursue it, do you need x money to take the leap of faith or is it something you gradually shift towards doing on a full time basis?

    gl
    Thanks man, I appreciate the support!

    As for screenwriting, it's definitely going to be a gradual thing. I'm working on my first feature length script right now with my writing partner (who has a Master's in Creative Writing, so that's useful) and I'm thinking it'll probably be finished by the end of this year, so once that's done I guess we'll start getting feedback on it from people who matter and then base our next move on that. I definitely see myself being a full-time screenwriter in 5-10 years or so, but poker is a means to giving myself the platform to devote more time to it when I feel it's appropriate.
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    03-13-2012 , 07:12 AM
    Good luck with this. Been reading from the start and I can definitely relate to your current downswing as I can't win either atm. Just keep at it, keep that chin up and I'm sure you'll get out of it!
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    03-13-2012 , 07:14 AM
    Thanks Prodigy, see you at tables all the time. GL, things always turn around so I'm sure they will for both of us!
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    03-13-2012 , 07:52 AM
    Chuck Norris FTW, your profit line will shoot out of the monitor hehe
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    03-13-2012 , 08:00 AM
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    03-13-2012 , 11:20 AM
    Haha awesome GIFs ITT.

    Just wanna repost a link from Chaant JC's thread which I found really cool, kinda relates to what I said earlier about motivation. Learning is one thing, but once you beat the games, it's a question of how bad you want it.

    http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strateg...hology/2101/1/
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    03-13-2012 , 06:18 PM
    Just had a coacing session the theginger45 and I have to say that it was way better than I was expecting (and I was expecting a pretty good one from a guy with such a work ethic).

    He didn't try to rush anything, he explained every single hand with all the details and all possibilities that presented and he also understands the big differences that exists on the various stakes. To summarize, he really helped me a lot with this session and I hope I can absorve as much as I can from it and apply it on my game, on my tables.

    I hope, and I know it will, stop this big downswing and you get back to the winning path! Really cool to have worked woth you and hope we can do it again!
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    03-13-2012 , 08:06 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nands
    Just had a coacing session the theginger45 and I have to say that it was way better than I was expecting (and I was expecting a pretty good one from a guy with such a work ethic).

    He didn't try to rush anything, he explained every single hand with all the details and all possibilities that presented and he also understands the big differences that exists on the various stakes. To summarize, he really helped me a lot with this session and I hope I can absorve as much as I can from it and apply it on my game, on my tables.

    I hope, and I know it will, stop this big downswing and you get back to the winning path! Really cool to have worked woth you and hope we can do it again!
    Thanks Nands, really enjoyed working with you too. Glad you found it useful and very happy to have exceeded expectations! You have a really good approach to the game and I have no doubt your bankroll will grow from here. Keep me updated on your progress!
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    03-14-2012 , 01:32 AM
    hey mate great thread always checking up.

    Wanted to know how long where you playing micro SnG untill you changed over too MTTs and what was your bankroll like for the switch??

    GL at the tables
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    03-14-2012 , 06:20 AM
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    Originally Posted by lcdwales
    hey mate great thread always checking up.

    Wanted to know how long where you playing micro SnG untill you changed over too MTTs and what was your bankroll like for the switch??

    GL at the tables
    Thanks mate, appreciate it.

    To be honest, before I got my first backing deal in February last year I was pretty much never bankrolled for the games I was playing. I was pretty broke in life terms while studying for my Masters and for most of the early period I was playing poker, and I couldn't afford to deposit a few hundred bucks - my early roll was built up from depositing $10, and I pretty much used to deposit $10-50 here and there and see if I could bink something. I didn't really start at micro SNGs so much, I played everything - 2NL 6max, $1 MTTs, $5 STTs, all sorts. My first $1k score came in a $5 tourney that I played while on a $400 bankroll or something, which in turn came from a $300 score which happened in a $4 tourney that I played on an $80 bankroll.

    Basically what I'm saying is that applying for a backing deal was the best decision I've ever made, and anyone who's serious about poker, has a good understanding of the game and doesn't want to play 20k games at soul-crushing micro limits should apply for one. I play better when backed, and it probably jumped my career forward by about 6 months getting one, not to mention speeding up my learning process a ton.
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    03-14-2012 , 09:04 AM
    Got you on skype man, good luck im suscribed, how is it going lately?
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    03-14-2012 , 10:00 AM
    I've seen you playing on PS before on 20 or so tables. I have no idea how anyone can play effectively at that! I can do 6 tables max, but even then I start to struggle!
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    03-14-2012 , 12:04 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by theginger45
    Thanks mate, appreciate it.
    Basically what I'm saying is that applying for a backing deal was the best decision I've ever made, and anyone who's serious about poker, has a good understanding of the game and doesn't want to play 20k games at soul-crushing micro limits should apply for one. I play better when backed, and it probably jumped my career forward by about 6 months getting one, not to mention speeding up my learning process a ton.
    disagree

    new players need experience from playing 1000's of games, to learn/study poker and br management skills.

    If you havn't got those traits,

    - that you will put in the time to play,
    - the discipline to learn
    - keep a simple br (100bi max buyin or 300abi or whatever).

    you will prob not be a winning lowstakes player. backers will take on players who have the 1st 2 traits and will make them a profit.

    it does not take long to grind it up from the micros to lowstakes if you put the work in. then once you've got a $2k roll or so you're off and away and can move up VERY fast.

    for me being backed is just essientially just giving your winnings away cause you can't handle a little bit of risk?

    imo, but we can agree to disagree, hope you dont mind me coming in your thread.

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    also side not whats your motivation, money or being the best? just interested. really enjoyed that article that u posted, especially the part about burnout.
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    03-14-2012 , 01:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by JayPez
    disagree

    new players need experience from playing 1000's of games, to learn/study poker and br management skills.

    If you havn't got those traits,

    - that you will put in the time to play,
    - the discipline to learn
    - keep a simple br (100bi max buyin or 300abi or whatever).

    you will prob not be a winning lowstakes player. backers will take on players who have the 1st 2 traits and will make them a profit.

    it does not take long to grind it up from the micros to lowstakes if you put the work in. then once you've got a $2k roll or so you're off and away and can move up VERY fast.

    for me being backed is just essientially just giving your winnings away cause you can't handle a little bit of risk?

    imo, but we can agree to disagree, hope you dont mind me coming in your thread.

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    also side not whats your motivation, money or being the best? just interested. really enjoyed that article that u posted, especially the part about burnout.
    Completely agree.
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